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Removed beta profile, restarted, updated software - hit download and install. It downloads, goes to the black screen with the preparing update progress bar for a second and then returns with
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Restarting doesn’t help. Any one else get the same?
 
Yep this is retarded. So far it feels like a downgrade.
Well, the good news is that this is a per-app issue. For example, the Netflix and the Movies apps still have the old much more useful top shelfs, so in this case it's just the TV app that took a step backwards. The app really feels more and more like an ad platform that also happens to play content you already own or have subscribed to. I wish there was a way to suppress stuff that I don't have access to without paying more money.
 
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I turned auto update OFF until it’s confirmed this can be disabled. I loathe it on the Netflix app and only open it when I know what I want to watch. Don’t want that experience on my Apple TV’s home screen, thanks. TvOS 12 is working just fine for everything we need.
I have not found any setting to disable it. OTOH, the Music app is the only one I found that actually plays videos on the home screen, and unlike the annoying Netflix previews it is at least silent.

Edit: The TV app does it too, just not for all content. But it too remains silent unless you actually swipe up when the video plays.
 
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Before I upgrade I just want to confirm that it will still work with my VPN setup. Is anybody using a VPN to watch things from outside the US (like Netflix and Amazon Prime)?
 
I have not found any setting to disable it. OTOH, the Music app is the only one I found that actually plays videos on the home screen, and unlike the annoying Netflix previews it is at least silent.

Edit: The TV app does it too, just not for all content. But it too remains silent unless you actually swipe up when the video plays.
Did you check under Accessibility? Sometimes they hide stuff like that there.
 
The killer feature in this update, to my mind, is "Wireless Audio Sync", which lets the Apple TV use your iPhone as a remote sensor, playing sounds through whatever speakers you may be using (be it TV, sound bar, or home theater), and listening with the phone (or iPad), to measure the audio delay with high precision. And it then arranges to delay future video or audio just the right amount (we're talking milliseconds) to make the sound match the screen. ("Wireless Audio Sync" is in Settings > Video and Audio, at the very bottom of the list - it hung on "Preparing" the first time I tried; after rebooting the Apple TV and my iPhone, it worked just as advertised.)

The changes to the top display aren't that big of a deal to me. The Netflix app is infuriating because it constantly plays stuff you don't want on the majority of the screen while you're trying to concentrate on / parse the little thumbnails, looking for the things you do want to see, trying to find that one that was here just yesterday. But with the top of the AppleTV screen, the control over what is shown in the top banner area goes to the currently selected app in the top row. Just move the "noisy" ones out of the top row. Netflix, WatchAid, and iTunes Movies are still giving me a static row of movie posters (more or less), which are actually helpful. The TV app and the Music app are putting up single images (or video, sometimes, in the case of the Music app)... it's not bothering me yet. The Music was kind of nice. And, again, I can swipe left or right in the top row of apps to a less exciting one. For me, the net effect is mostly that the previous thumbnails of things I'm watching, from WatchAid and Netflix and iTunes Movies, are a bit bigger. Not quite the apocalypse I was hearing predicted.

The TV app needs a big toggle switch at the top of the main screen, when you open it, for "show me things you think I might want to watch next" (like what it does now), or, switched the other way, "show me only things I own or that I've added to my queue on services I already subscribe to" (e.g. "zero advertising/upsell - I know what I wanna watch" mode). Until then, I'll mostly use WatchAid as a front-end instead.

I looked for the new screensavers, they're not there yet. I changed the download frequency from Weekly to Daily. We'll see tomorrow.

The Arcade app looks nice, and what I'm hearing elsewhere actually makes it sound pretty compelling - if you're looking for games to play (and if you're open-minded enough to actually try things and see if you enjoy them, rather than jumping straight to "this isn't a AAA FPS title on a PS4, so therefore I know it's crap"). I just don't have time right now to play (a little time still goes into Pokemon Go - we have a nice neighborhood group, it's kind of a social thing). I might get into Arcade at some point in the future when other things calm down (same reason I don't subscribe to, say, HBO - I'm persuaded their shows are awesome, but I don't have the dozens of extra hours to put into watching it).

I'm really hoping they come out with an AppleTV 5 at the next (October?) event. Make it a little bit more of everything ("faster / better / stronger"), and make the remote more ergonomic - the control layout is fine, but get away from the 1/8" thick slippery rounded rectangle! You let Jony convince you to make this one "elegant" instead of "ergonomic", but he's gone now. Make it so I love using the remote without putting a case on it, that's all I'm asking, Apple. A little more contoured and grippy. Is that too hard?
 
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I've been on the public beta for a couple of months. When I first saw the top shelf ads, I thought it can't be serious, but surely they'll make it optional by the GM. Turns out they were serious and they didn't listen. I'm sure some users will like this feature, but there is an ethical concern that makes me a little worried. This is a €200 device, the premium device in this market, and they're putting advertisements on the home screen. As long as that content is stuff you have to spend additional money on, they're ads. I was already annoyed that my Samsung TV makes it impossible to remove TV Plus (and keeps pinning it to my Home menu no matter how often I remove it), but it mostly stays out of the way. The tvOS ads are far worse.

But honestly it annoys me with the Music app more than the TV app. The TV app was barely useful to begin with. Its only useful feature for me was Up Next in the top shelf. Now it can just go into a folder and die. But I use Music heavily and instead of having a shortcut into albums I deliberately added to my library, I get video previews for Taylor Swift, the Jonas Brothers and Ariana Grande. I don't listen to any of those artists and have no intention to. They're not recommendations based on my listening behaviour either.

It's business goals being brute-forced onto a paying customer base. Yes, worse things can happen in an OS update, but this approach feels quite concerning.
 
Once and for all, Apple, please let us just merge Apple ID's....I'm forever cursed with my long history of purchases under an old Apple ID, and a newer separate iCloud ID for everything else.

Why not just pair the two via Family Sharing? Then the newer separate iCloud ID would have access to the long history of purchases under that old Apple ID, and your devices would be set up a lot more simply.
 
Our Apple TV 4 is connected to an Android smart TV (with Plex, Chromecasting and Youtube) and is therefore rarely used, basically only for Photos and Apple Music streaming. I doubt anyone will delve into Multi User Support here, but it's nice that it's available now. The ATV device itself has become more redundant over the years in our home though.
 
I have not found any setting to disable it. OTOH, the Music app is the only one I found that actually plays videos on the home screen, and unlike the annoying Netflix previews it is at least silent.
The Arcade app does it as well.
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I updated and now I have 8 of them. So it stored 8 of them, not 3-4. (And i have the 32Gb model)
I have the 64 GB model and it kept all the screensavers, but I am guessing it maybe wanted the extra space during the upgrade? The screensavers take an enormous amount of space, and the upgrade needs extra space to uncompress and download.
 
I have no aquatic screen saver and I’m on the latest release. Everything else is okay. Because I don’t have the 4K tv or maybe it downloads in background and shows up later?

same here, no options for the aquarium screensaver. Just have the old aerial one. Latest OS update too. I’ve also tried rebooting.
 
I've been on the public beta for a couple of months. When I first saw the top shelf ads, I thought it can't be serious, but surely they'll make it optional by the GM. Turns out they were serious and they didn't listen. I'm sure some users will like this feature, but there is an ethical concern that makes me a little worried. This is a €200 device, the premium device in this market, and they're putting advertisements on the home screen. As long as that content is stuff you have to spend additional money on, they're ads. I was already annoyed that my Samsung TV makes it impossible to remove TV Plus (and keeps pinning it to my Home menu no matter how often I remove it), but it mostly stays out of the way. The tvOS ads are far worse.

But honestly it annoys me with the Music app more than the TV app. The TV app was barely useful to begin with. Its only useful feature for me was Up Next in the top shelf. Now it can just go into a folder and die. But I use Music heavily and instead of having a shortcut into albums I deliberately added to my library, I get video previews for Taylor Swift, the Jonas Brothers and Ariana Grande. I don't listen to any of those artists and have no intention to. They're not recommendations based on my listening behaviour either.

It's business goals being brute-forced onto a paying customer base. Yes, worse things can happen in an OS update, but this approach feels quite concerning.

Let's feedback Apple about it: https://www.apple.com/feedback
 
I've been on the public beta for a couple of months. When I first saw the top shelf ads, I thought it can't be serious, but surely they'll make it optional by the GM. Turns out they were serious and they didn't listen. I'm sure some users will like this feature, but there is an ethical concern that makes me a little worried. This is a €200 device, the premium device in this market, and they're putting advertisements on the home screen. As long as that content is stuff you have to spend additional money on, they're ads. I was already annoyed that my Samsung TV makes it impossible to remove TV Plus (and keeps pinning it to my Home menu no matter how often I remove it), but it mostly stays out of the way. The tvOS ads are far worse.

But honestly it annoys me with the Music app more than the TV app. The TV app was barely useful to begin with. Its only useful feature for me was Up Next in the top shelf. Now it can just go into a folder and die. But I use Music heavily and instead of having a shortcut into albums I deliberately added to my library, I get video previews for Taylor Swift, the Jonas Brothers and Ariana Grande. I don't listen to any of those artists and have no intention to. They're not recommendations based on my listening behaviour either.

It's business goals being brute-forced onto a paying customer base. Yes, worse things can happen in an OS update, but this approach feels quite concerning.

Yep specifically it’s the loss of top shelf that equals a worse experience. I don’t want to use atv app. It’s garbage. Apple needs to focus on experience for the content you own. I don’t want to see ads. Or channels. I really just want to find where I left off on a show. That should be front and center at top.

As for arcade I probably won’t try it again after two games. The 5 yr old lost interest after a few mins. So did I. No interest here.
 
Did you check under Accessibility? Sometimes they hide stuff like that there.

Would there be a way to disable the preview completely (video AND still image)? I updated yesterday, in my church office, and you can imagine the quickness I rearranged icons when the top half of my tv was a lady in a silver outfit (obviously I don't keep up with new music stars:)
 
The killer feature in this update, to my mind, is "Wireless Audio Sync", which lets the Apple TV use your iPhone as a remote sensor, playing sounds through whatever speakers you may be using (be it TV, sound bar, or home theater), and listening with the phone (or iPad), to measure the audio delay with high precision. And it then arranges to delay future video or audio just the right amount (we're talking milliseconds) to make the sound match the screen. ("Wireless Audio Sync" is in Settings > Video and Audio, at the very bottom of the list - it hung on "Preparing" the first time I tried; after rebooting the Apple TV and my iPhone, it worked just as advertised.)

iPhone only. Not iPad.
 
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I've been on the public beta for a couple of months. When I first saw the top shelf ads, I thought it can't be serious, but surely they'll make it optional by the GM. Turns out they were serious and they didn't listen. I'm sure some users will like this feature, but there is an ethical concern that makes me a little worried. This is a €200 device, the premium device in this market, and they're putting advertisements on the home screen. As long as that content is stuff you have to spend additional money on, they're ads. I was already annoyed that my Samsung TV makes it impossible to remove TV Plus (and keeps pinning it to my Home menu no matter how often I remove it), but it mostly stays out of the way. The tvOS ads are far worse.

But honestly it annoys me with the Music app more than the TV app. The TV app was barely useful to begin with. Its only useful feature for me was Up Next in the top shelf. Now it can just go into a folder and die. But I use Music heavily and instead of having a shortcut into albums I deliberately added to my library, I get video previews for Taylor Swift, the Jonas Brothers and Ariana Grande. I don't listen to any of those artists and have no intention to. They're not recommendations based on my listening behaviour either.

It's business goals being brute-forced onto a paying customer base. Yes, worse things can happen in an OS update, but this approach feels quite concerning.

Remember this next time someone brings out the tired lines that Apple can be trusted with things like privacy because they charge so much money they don't need to "treat the customer like the product".

Apple under Tim is just a rich company, nothing more.
 
Time for Apple to throw out the TV app and start over. I hate it. Everyone else hates it too.

I do not want ads.
I do not care what Apple wants me to watch.
I do not care what 'human curated' experience they've made.

- I want to be able to filter the TV to my preferences. Not Apple's.
- I want to be able to see only content I own or am subscribed to.
 
My ATV4 (2015) took a performance hit with this update. Lots of stuttering in the menus and launching stuff.
 
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Would there be a way to disable the preview completely (video AND still image)? I updated yesterday, in my church office, and you can imagine the quickness I rearranged icons when the top half of my tv was a lady in a silver outfit (obviously I don't keep up with new music stars:)
Just wait until Apple starts advertising cross dressing children on the top shelf. We're not far away from this now.
 
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Our Apple TV 4 is connected to an Android smart TV (with Plex, Chromecasting and Youtube) and is therefore rarely used, basically only for Photos and Apple Music streaming. I doubt anyone will delve into Multi User Support here, but it's nice that it's available now. The ATV device itself has become more redundant over the years in our home though.
Its only redundant on paper. The quality of the apps and user interface are in a different league from anything on any smart tv.
 
Its only redundant on paper. The quality of the apps and user interface are in a different league from anything on any smart tv.

I agree! But if you just want to stream some video, Chromecast and Android do a fine job. It's hard to find a TV that does not these things these days, otherwise, ideally, I'd get a 'dumb' TV with Apple TV.
 
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