Apple Releases tvOS 9.0.1 Update for Apple TV

[LordBeelzebub]

How many years is required? ATV3 was released in 2012. iPhones/iPads tend to be supported for 3 years. So, by those numbers, time is up for ATV3 support.

Are there still bugs that need fixed? If not, then why still give a 3 year old devise new features once you've released a newer model?

 

[Gruntersdad12]

Or so people are encouraged to believe. Special pleading logical fallacy. If the product is so inherently unlikely to be error-free, maybe it doesn't deserve to be on the market being sold to people. Luckily for the industry, software avoids consumer protection law (that same special pleading issue).

Would automobiles be sold with only a "few" bugs. I think not. Not that they are perfect, but..........

 

[Roadstar]

Probably not. The 2nd gen stopped getting updates at the same time Apple re-freshed the UI on the 3rd gen.

Of course, why fix it if it's not broken?

Actually, the 2nd gen has been somewhat broken for a few months now as Apple didn't want to provide an updated YouTube app for it when YouTube changed their API. Mine is now just an AirPlay terminal with most of my watching getting done on a Nexus Player. I was waiting for the new Apple TV, but until there's at least an updated remote app, I don't think my blood pressure would like being stuck with the on-screen keyboard.

 

[treichert]

If tvOS is different than iOS, then I don't imagine that app will ever work with the new AppleTV if they are indeed two different OS's

Which is exactly what an update to an app is: it adds new functionality.

There is no technical reason for iOS not being able to remote control tvOS.

 

[bluespark]

It's preposterous to you because you're successfully brainwashed into thinking that software deserves to be excused from all preexisting consumer protection laws and engineering sensibility.

Yes, you do have to stop fiddling and ship at some point. But that's not the problem with this industry.

Consumer protection laws? Do tell....

 

[69Mustang]

How many years is required? ATV3 was released in 2012. iPhones/iPads tend to be supported for 3 years. So, by those numbers, time is up for ATV3 support.

ATV3 was release in '12. It's also on sale in '15. If it's on sale, I think it should be updated. At a minimum, the UI should reflect Apple's current products. If time is up for support shouldn't time also be up for sales as well?

 

[Jrsnfd]

The Good: only took a few minutes to update.
The Bad: Looks like this update does nothing to address the horrible on screen keyboard, not being about to connect bluetooth keyboards, and not updating it to work with the iOS Remote App.

Decided that I'll take mine back this weekend if they don't "fix" the keyboard issue by then. Don't want to fall into the issue I did with my Apple Watch in waiting for fixes and improvements that never came and being outside of the return window.

Everyone keeps complaining about the Keyboard. I was confused at first. But after typing my password twice on it i've realized it is WAY fast at complex passwords then before. Is there a little bit of an adjustment but wow people just have to complain about stuff.

 

[peterdevries]

It's preposterous to you because you're successfully brainwashed into thinking that software deserves to be excused from all preexisting consumer protection laws and engineering sensibility.

Yes, you do have to stop fiddling and ship at some point. But that's not the problem with this industry.

edit: meant to respond to the original poster...

You are disregarding the fact that software has become so complex at this point and so many external services are integrated that there is no way to test all possible situations beforehand. It is the price we pay for features, connectivity and integration.

In addition, our own demands in terms of new features (just look at this thread: remote and keyboard support, etc.) have become so extensive that companies like Apple need to update often, which stresses (software) engineering resources.

I'm not trying to talk the producers here out of their responsibility, but this is definitely a situation that is partly caused by the consumer demand itself.

Would automobiles be sold with only a "few" bugs. I think not. Not that they are perfect, but..........

Car software is riddled with bugs, as are the basic driving functions. You would be surprised at the amount of bugs they iron out when you bring your car for a service appointment. In addition, cars are not nearly as complex as software.

 

[groovyf]

Top tip for character input (especially for passwords)... Press and hold the trackpad to get an uppercase character of the one you're on.
I appreciate it's still a ball ache in general though.

Should be a wrap-around bar of letters with selection box static in the centre... same for numbers and non-standard characters bars.

 

[usurffree]

For those that updated and play Crossy Road, can you run the game for 4-5 minutes and see if you see any graphic glitching/jump about every 15 seconds? My 7yo put some serious time in on it this weekend and I never noticed a pop. I just tried it, and I'm noticing a screen jump every 10-15 seconds in the game.

 

[tywebb13]

The full ipsw file is available now at https://developer.apple.com/tvos/download/ for build 13T402. You don't have to be a developer to download it but you will need a usb-c to usb-a cable for most macs (or a usb-c to usb-c for the new macbook) to install it as a full restore as opposed to an ota update. Obviously the ota update is quicker but sometimes a full restore may be necessary.

 

[LordBeelzebub]

Which is exactly what an update to an app is: it adds new functionality.

There is no technical reason for iOS not being able to remote control tvOS.

True, one app could potentially control two different OS's if that indeed is the case. If I was a developer I'd probably want a deducted app for each tailored specifically for that one devise. Would seem to be less of a programming headache trying to support two within one app. Then later down the road when the older generations are no longer supported and most people have upgraded, now you have all that unnecessary code in the app and maintanence to take it out.

Looking at it from my end of things as an end user, I'd prefer an app dedicated to just that device for ease of use.

It's still early on for this new AppleTV, they could be working on a brand new app that might be 10x better than the current one. Time will tell.

 

[Jrsnfd]

Glad they are fixing bugs, but there are major problems on my end:

(1) Airplay is even more buggy than before...hasn't been the same since iOS 7 honestly.

(2) iCloud Photo Library - don't know how this was omitted.

(3) Remote App - we all know...especially as an extra controller...should be connected via Bluetooth this time around.

(4) Chapter Markers - most of my ripped content does not display chapter markers...very annoying...plus there is no way to just skip ahead chapter markers either I don't think.

(5) Crashes - I have had the Apple TV crash many times already.

There is much to like about the new Apple TV, but for a 4th generation product it is a disappointment...really feels like a 1.0 release. This feels like when Apple redid iWork (which still has major deficiencies when compared to the previous version despite some of the newer benefits).

(4) - Most of my iTunes purchased TV shows have lost the Chapter Markers too. It's not just the ripped content.

 

[campyguy]

I lived it too. That was mid-90s technology. Twenty years later in 2015, we can do better:

This Mecedes implementation is pretty good, but not great. It needs some of that famous Apple polish.

I prefer the non-COMAND, in-dash menus on my 2002 AMG C320 wagon to the COMAND interface on my 2007 GL450.

COMAND: Come On, Mother******, And...., No Dice... I hate that interface with a white hot hate.

 

[T5BRICK]

Or so people are encouraged to believe. Special pleading logical fallacy. If the product is so inherently unlikely to be error-free, maybe it doesn't deserve to be on the market being sold to people. Luckily for the industry, software avoids consumer protection law (that same special pleading issue).

Are you kidding? So you're saying that any book should never have to have more than a first edition? Newspapers and magazines should never have retractions or corrections?

Your argument is ridiculous. People make mistakes. Software is going to need updates. The Apple TV was released with functioning software that had a few bugs. You're acting like it arrived and didn't function at all.

 

[knemonic]

Mine was able to do that prior to the update.



Ditto most functions on my Harmony remote. It had been set up for ATV3, i've made no changes to setup.

There is an entire thread of people unable to do this. The Apple TV will learn the remote but pressing the volume buttons does nothing. Clearly my asking if this works now means it wasn't working before.

 

[Scubadiver]

Not true, you must be a developer to download it.

The full ipsw file is available now at https://developer.apple.com/tvos/download/ for build 13T402. You don't have to be a developer to download it but you will

 

[kschles]

Me, too. It won't stay asleep for more than 10 minutes. Have to keep the new Apple TV unplugged until I want to use it. That's cool, right?

Having the same problem since I installed the 9.0.1 update. Was OK before. Not only does the AT4 box turn on, but it turns on my TV also. Had to unplug the box.

 

[mainstreetmark]

Glad they are fixing bugs, but there are major problems on my end:
....

There is much to like about the new Apple TV, but for a 4th generation product it is a disappointment...really feels like a 1.0 release.

This essentially *is* a 1.0 release. There isn't much in common at all with the previous generation. There are third party SDKs, and all the original apple-provided apps have been rebuilt on this new platform. Look at how different Netflix performs - smooth tracking! The complete disconnect of the current Remote app supports the notion that this is all new. They didn't remove "Remote.app", they have yet to rewrite it anew.

Why is everyone upset for a 9.0.1 release? I have no idea. They've always done this. Sometimes, when a product emerges from beta and gets hit with 10 to 1000 times the number of beta users, none of whom have ever used it before, new bugs are discovered.

 

[Benjamin Frost]

Lol okay buddy. Consumer protection laws should apply and outlaw software being released before it's perfect in every possible scenario? I have heard some ridiculous things on this board. Have heard whining along with a faux sense of superiority used to attack anyone who doesn't agree that we should hammer the world with unreasonable expectations from life. Have seen the absolutely worst types of people float in here with a sense of entitlement so absurd it's borderline laughable that these people exist. Your post is right there at the top of of the heap with a full trifecta of nonsensical "gimme gimme gimme" garbage.

You talk the talk, but if Apple release buggy software for their self-driving car, they won't be walking the walk so much as walking the plank.

 

[skinned66]

Do you know that an update to the Remote App is indeed in the works? So far, it seems most rumors suggest the Remote App is being discontinued, and will not be updated.

If true that's just a terrible idea IMO. The onscreen keyboard sucks and always has.

At least it will be a while before an iOS update breaks the last version.

 

[rantor49]

Music output volume seems louder???

I noticed this also.

 

[gaximus]

Anyone else having issues with Music streaming on ATV4 64GB? The mini twos update did not solve the issue ;(. It's only on Apple music, having the monthly subscription .. after, 1, 2 tracks music stops. With web radios all fine, no issues..

This happens to me on the iPhone and Mac, haven't tried it on my Apple TV yet

 

[Delorean2006]

I hope it fixes slowing down my internet connection. Very weird, once I turn ATV off, my connection to all my devices and Mac go back to normal speeds.

Im glad I'm not the only one, my 100mb internet is practically worthless when I'm using my ATV

 

[nelson1457]

The full ipsw file is available now at https://developer.apple.com/tvos/download/ for build 13T402. You don't have to be a developer to download it but you will need a usb-c to usb-a cable for most macs (or a usb-c to usb-c for the new macbook) to install it as a full restore as opposed to an ota update. Obviously the ota update is quicker but sometimes a full restore may be necessary.

I just played Crossy Road for about 10 minutes. No glitch.