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I would love for one of you Apple fanbois to explain to me why you continually defend Apple for snubbing BR. What good does it do to put such a high tech LCD screen in the iMac (27" better than 1080p, according to the video) and NOT support high definition DVD's?? This makes absolutely no sense and can only be explained by blind Apple love! :rolleyes:

Because I watch Blu-Ray how it's meant to be viewed, on a large screen TV and Blu-Ray player.
 
I linked to and quoted from an excellent article that explains why Apple is not including BD. The point about BD not having achieved critical mass was taken from the article, but not quoted. It's really just a statement of fact. There aren't very many BD users, certainly not enough to justify the ridiculous cost of inclusion for Apple.

There aren't very many BD users? Like I said, earlier this year, blu-ray had 8% market share. Double that of DVD at the same point in its life. That translates into millions of people owning and watching blu-ray.

Again, when DVD was between 2.5 and 3 years old it only had 4% market share.

Do some googling. You'll find some interesting stats. For instance, The Matrix was the first DVD to pass 1 million sold. In its first week it sold 780k units. The Dark Knight sold 1.7M on blu-ray in the first week.

http://news.therecord.com/printArticle/469824 Theres a good article. 2.5 years after blu-ray launched, 10.7 million blu-ray players in the US. 3 years after DVD launched 5.4 million.

And what "ridiculous" cost for blu-ray licensing are we talking about? To get a DVD CCA licensing is $15,000 per category. Thats more than multiple blu-ray category licenses.

On top of that, Steve Jobs is quoted as saying "probably not" to future inclusion

Well, then Apple's market share will begin to reverse. Sales show that people want blu-ray. If Apple doesn't give people what they want then Apple computers will not sell.

I know BD users don't like the idea, but it is very likely that BD is going to be leap frogged by downloadable content in the future. It just makes so much more sense to move away from optical discs.

Hah! Downloadable content will leap frog blu-ray? In what universe?

First and most importantly is the issue of quality. Right now, iTunes "HD" is 720p video encoded at about 4.5Mbps with a 384Kbps Dolby Digital track tacked on. In most cases, iTunes HD video can't even compete with a good upscaling DVD player due to the very obvious compression artifacting. Higher resolution downloads on Xbox Live! Marketplace tend to only be about twice that bit-rate with no 5.1 audio.

Blu-ray video is encoded using the same H.264 and VC-1 codecs found in those products, but at bit-rates up to 45Mbps. On top of that, nearly all (but not all) audio tracks are lossless or uncompressed entirely.

The second issue is bandwidth. The average US connection is only about 5Mbps. So even if you cut the quality down dramatically to around 8-10Mbps, you're still looking at download times that are nearly double in length than the actual movie is. Who is going to wait 4 hours for a 2 hour movie to download when they walk or drive to a video store thats just a couple of minutes away and get the blu-ray disc? I live in an area with FiOS and 20Mbps cable, and even with those higher end services, it still takes longer to download the movie than it would for me to WALK to the video store a mile and a half away and pick up the blu-ray disc. Plus I'm still not getting anywhere near the quality of blu-ray with any downloadable service.

Another issue is capping. Outside of a small handful of countries, bandwidth capping is a pretty normal thing throughout the world. You're not going to find people who are going to download a movie and push that cap or pay overages when they could just get a higher quality disc instead.

So to make this short, you have 3 issues. First is actual quality. Why should people take a step back in quality? Any HDTV will show the visual difference, and even a $500 home theater in a box is enough to let people hear the difference between a sub-DVD quality audio track (iTunes HD) and lossless/uncompressed blu-ray audio. The second issue is actual bandwidth. Not everyone lives in Japan or South Korea, so the vast majority of the world will be waiting several times longer than the move is just to download it, and it won't even be close to blu-ray quality. Third issue is capping. Many countries have this as a regular practice (Australia being the largest first world country to have it as a regular practice), while ISPs in the US and EU would LOVE to institute capping with huge overage fees.

Theres also one more extremely important issue. Downloadable content has absolutely insane DRM. I can only watch it on my computer or a very specific device. In the case of iTunes, I can only watch it on an Apple TV or my computer. In the case of game console movie downloads, I can only watch it on that ONE console. I can't transfer it. With blu-ray, I buy the movie and I can watch it on ANY blu-ray capable device. That means I can go get some low-ball Walmart brand blu-ray player, or throw a blu-ray drive in my PC, or use a game console, or just about anything. Blu-ray gives people the same flexibility they have gotten used to with VHS and DVD. Downloads are locked down to the extreme and you can't do anything with them.

Because I watch Blu-Ray how it's meant to be viewed, on a large screen TV and Blu-Ray player

Blu-ray is meant to be watched wherever it can be watched. There are some people who only own computers but would like to watch blu-ray discs, especially since most PC displays are higher quality than any HDTV. Theres also people who travel a lot and would like to take blu-ray with them and watch them on their notebooks. Yes, the difference between DVD and blu-ray is still night and day on even a MacBook display.
 
Because I watch Blu-Ray how it's meant to be viewed, on a large screen TV and Blu-Ray player.

What the heck does that even mean?? Are their specific rules regarding how BR movies are to be view that I am not aware of? Could I incur jail time if I want to watch a movie at my desk in the privacy of my office? That is a stupid statement and an equally stupid argument. Be careful my friend, your unwavering corporate dedication is showing. :rolleyes:
 
Totally agree with you; however, "servers" like this haven't really existed until now (as far as I know).

I think Apple is trying a new market here, and frankly after having worked as a network engineer/consultant in Chicago's Loop, I think it has the potential to do well. Reason being is that there are a lot of very small real estate and legal firms that want servers, but don't want Windows 2003/2008, and don't want the big expense, and would like something that after being set up they could add and remove users, admin the wiki, etc.

Well, I also have been in the IT field for a long time. I would say in the past 8-10 years, Windows-based "servers" have been pretty affordable...under $1000 for a Dell. Sure, it's not the best...but it gives a lot of hardware support to the OS you plunk on top of it.

I don't really know much about the Apple Server OSes, their licenses, etc. so I can't comment on that. But I would think that if Apple loyalists wanted a Mac Server before today, they would have bought a Pro or a Server class from Apple. Or, if they really wanted to use a Mini, would have taken a putty knife to it and added ram, put in a 7200RPM instead of the poky 5400RPM, and attached a bunch of USB/Firewire devices to it. But again, everyone's got a niche. :) Yes, it will be interesting to see if the Mini sells much of the Server versions...but we will likely never get any stats from Apple about individual product sales #s.

-Eric
 
With a 1 year old 3.06 Ghz 24" iMac, why do I suddenly feel obliged to up my game to 27" ?

Before I abandoned Vista to come over to the Mac, I had read plenty about the Apple fanboy tendency, now I know what it feels like!
 
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I have a 24" iMac but spend many hours encoding and changing files and formats to watch my media on my 42" plasma via atv.
End of. 27" iMac is lovely but for viewing movies and tv not as good as 42"!!!
 
SSD drives are PATA/SATA, and interchangeable with spinning drives

doubt it...the SSD drive controllers are not SATA or IDE...and unfortunately, as far as I know, the industry has still not standardized on a SSD controller.

Ummm, SSD drives are interchangeable with SATA and PATA hard drives, and come in exactly the same 2.5" form factor so that the mounting screws work.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820609445

Look at the left panel, lower part of http://www.newegg.com/Store/SubCategory.aspx?SubCategory=636&name=Solid-State-Disks to see the options.

You can get bay mounting adaptors to put two 2.5" drives into a standard 3.5" case slot.

There are also "Micro-SATA" 1.8" drives for small form factor systems, and some specialised connectors - but most are SATA II.
 
No blu-ray blows and for your info iTunes doesn't offer video content everywhere.

I live in Europe and the only thing I can get off iTunes are video podcasts and music videos.
 
Im curious to see how well the monitor input will work on the new 27" models. What adapters will be avalible? I looked on the apple website, but I did not see any adapters avalible.

I'd like more information about this, also.

If I can use my Wii on this 27" iMac (without using EYE TV), Apple can have my cash.
 
Here is my say.

I think apple done a good job at making the screens bigger. for the people saying about the 24" if you like the 24" no one is saying you have to upgrade. For the Blu-Ray if you need it that bad get a blu-ray drive and put it in a caddy.

Other then that looks good and the prices are a lot better now here in Australia.
 
The design is rushed, theres no black back. The chin looks out of proportion. And the screen isnt rounded at the bottom.
Well now, let's see...

The back was black previously, which means it was a conscious decision on Apple's part to change it. Thus, I don't see how one could consider it "rushed."

The "chin" is smaller than it was previously, and people's biggest complaint about the "chin" was that it was too big. So they've addressed this... can't please everyone.

With no aluminum border around the edges, a rounded bottom to the screen would have looked really strange. It makes sense why they made it flat.

Obviously your critiques are highly subjective anyway, but I don't think any of these things "ruined" the iMac.
 
Because I watch Blu-Ray how it's meant to be viewed, on a large screen TV and Blu-Ray player.

"How it's meant to be viewed" ? Who are you to say how something is "meant to be viewed ? What arrogance. :rolleyes: It's meant to be viewed depending on who's watching it. Not by you.
 
Do you sit outside often with your desktop? Just curious. This complaint is pretty valid on a laptop, but on a desktop I don't see the problem, personally.

You serious? "Outside" is your breaking point?!

To quote that Irish guy on the movie Titanic... "Will you give us a chance to live?!"

Live without mirrored reflection - If I wanted to see myself, I'd go look in an actual mirror!

Live without light reflection - Some lighting is not manually adjusted and one has to deal with it

Live without window daylight reflection - my desk is in such a position that my back is to the window, but no worries, I have a nice mirror copy in my monitor!

All of which I contended with and said no freaking way, Apple!

HEY APPLE.... GLOSSY SCREENS ARE VERY ANNOYING! NOT TO MENTION THEY SCREW WITH MY EYES AND THEY ARE BAD ENOUGH AS IT IS! Matte BTO, please!!!!!! Except you need to give a coupon. Why should matte screen devotees have to pay for matte now when they didn't in the past. It was Apple's decision to go with glossy, why do we have to suffer physically as well as monetarily because Apple thinks they know what's best?!

Let Al Gore pay for it out of his Generation Investment Management profits. It was probably his input to put the recyclable product in there in the first place. He's gotta come in and screw up everything, that frick'en idiot.
 
Im curious to see how well the monitor input will work on the new 27" models. What adapters will be avalible? I looked on the apple website, but I did not see any adapters avalible.

Amen - video input has been one of my #1 hopes for the iMac for a long, long time. I was pleasantly surprised (shocked) to see it as a new feature. I'd prefer to ignore the pitiful state of Mac gaming and plug the PS3 into the iMac while the wife is hogging, er, watching the TV. ;)

I'd love to know how this will be accomplished.
 
Here is my say.

I think apple done a good job at making the screens bigger. for the people saying about the 24" if you like the 24" no one is saying you have to upgrade. For the Blu-Ray if you need it that bad get a blu-ray drive and put it in a caddy.

Other then that looks good and the prices are a lot better now here in Australia.

You have made the same mistake again as many people before you - the issue with Blu-ray is not that we can't all go out an buy an external drive in a caddy/enclosure - the issue is that OS X does not support playback of commercial movie discs, which is the main point of having the drive for many people. Apparently a lot of mac users think because they are not interested in Blu-ray, every other mac user should be denied even having the option, despite it being supported in Windows for ages now.
 
Very pleased, great job and plenty options and configurations for everyone. They tell me my system is on the way! yeah baby Yeah! 4670 should be the sweet spot. Looks like nvidia kind of got the boot this go around.
 
Well, I also have been in the IT field for a long time. I would say in the past 8-10 years, Windows-based "servers" have been pretty affordable...under $1000 for a Dell. Sure, it's not the best...but it gives a lot of hardware support to the OS you plunk on top of it.

Which is why I said if you prefer OS X and don't want Windows 2003/2008 ;) Not everyone wants to deal with MS Server. I love it, but not everyone does. This, IMO, is better for some people than a Linux OS sitting on a cheap Dell when it comes to ease of use.

I don't really know much about the Apple Server OSes, their licenses, etc. so I can't comment on that. But I would think that if Apple loyalists wanted a Mac Server before today, they would have bought a Pro or a Server class from Apple. Or, if they really wanted to use a Mini, would have taken a putty knife to it and added ram, put in a 7200RPM instead of the poky 5400RPM, and attached a bunch of USB/Firewire devices to it. But again, everyone's got a niche. :) Yes, it will be interesting to see if the Mini sells much of the Server versions...but we will likely never get any stats from Apple about individual product sales #s.

-Eric

Like I said, I don't think this option really existed for most people before, and it will be interesting to see how it pans out. The $999 includes an unlimited CAL OS X Server license, which is not a bad deal.

A Dell T100 with a 2.66Ghz Core 2 Duo, 4GB of RAM, two 500GB drives and Windows Small Business Server preinstalled is a couple bucks shy of $2000. So the Mini certainly isn't a rip-off, IMO.

Throw Zimbra on there for free, and have mail, directory services, web server for intranet running a CMS like Joomla, iFolder for remote file transfer, etc. all on one or two boxes for cheap.
 
How much time does Apple need? They are never up to speed on graphics, ever. As far as Bluray, the Apple of yesteryear would have been the first company to drop DVD and move to Bluray, being the company with the guts to do something different. Not this Apple, they play it soooo safe. Can't blame them though, when they sleep on a bed of cash and wipe their arses with benjamins.

You're right, they would have. I'd rather see Apple sweat for their money too. Although it could still be true that they simply failed to adopt Blu-ray. As for graphics, it could be that they endeavour to save money in that area as there aren't many games for the Mac OS anyway. Aiming at the very very casual gamer, that's to say at the non-gamer. I don't intend to imply that that's a good strategy, though.
 
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