Uh, according to that poll, over half believe some Mac needs Blu-Ray. Over 40% believe it needs to be an option for the iMac. That's a sizable number.
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Uh, according to that poll, over half believe some Mac needs Blu-Ray. Over 40% believe it needs to be an option for the iMac. That's a sizable number.
Sorry Gamers
Well, still not a gaming rig. I know his majesty doesn't care about the gaming industry, but he is missing out on a huge market. All theses iMacs are missing is the ability to upgrade the gpu, and then perhaps people might really start looking at the iMac seriously.
OS X is the reason to own a Mac. Not the hardware. The Hardware is mediocre compared to the PC market.
Well, still not a gaming rig. I know his majesty doesn't care about the gaming industry, but he is missing out on a huge market. All theses iMacs are missing is the ability to upgrade the gpu, and then perhaps people might really start looking at the iMac seriously.
OS X is the reason to own a Mac. Not the hardware. The Hardware is mediocre compared to the PC market.
And I don't want the PC vs. Mac argument either.
These forums are hard to express everything since all we have is text and I'm not writing a novel...I think you and I basically agree.
The only difference I see, that you brought up, is the Desktop definition. I do not consider the Mac Pro a desktop. It is a workstation. Dell and others sell "workstations" too. The Mini may be a desktop offering, but it is not a computer "system" which has generally been defined since the early 80's as a computer, mouse, keyboard, and monitor. That's why I didn't count the Mini here...because Mr. Consumer would have to buy a-la-carte and that's kinda getting away from the point of buying a "desktop". Again, hard to put a black and white line on definitions but all of my posts on this topic are for the average Joe, walking into Apple, looking to see how much their first destkop Mac is going to cost.
The cheapest Mini is $599 + $49 for mouse +$49 for keyboard which is basically $699 before a monitor...buy Apple's ONLY MONITOR OFFERING on Apple.com which is $899 for a 24" display and you have a whopping $1596 for a Mini desktop system.
Or you could just buy a $150 22" LCD from Newegg.com, which still brings the whole setup under 1K.
A "server" is anything that provides a service to multiple clients. This Mini does that. It's not a highend or even low end traditional server, but then again it's not priced like one either.
These guys seem to like using them for hosting:
http://www.macminicolo.net/
Let me put it this way: if I were to set up a small company of 25-50 users with mail, intranet, wiki, chat, and remote web access, I wouldn't mind plunking down a total of 2K for two of these boxes attached to a partitioned NewerTech SuperStack for SuperDuper+Time Machine.
You can get Windows servers pretty cheap too, but if you like OS X Server, it's not a bad route to go.
Just because they can make a larger bottom line by doing things one way doesn't mean they "know more" or it's the better solution. It just means they've chosen to make the quick buck sellout the higher priority.
The sad thing is that I think for a period of time, Apple was at the forefront of delivering cutting-edge development alongside charging high prices. Now they just seem to charge high prices.
Any hopes of price reductions went with the sinking US dollar.
The US is still in the recession.
I've done a lot of importing from Amazon ATM. I've had an Importers warning.
Whether or not BD is included is not up to me, I just happen to agree with it not being included.
I linked to and quoted from an excellent article that explains why Apple is not including BD. The point about BD not having achieved critical mass was taken from the article, but not quoted. It's really just a statement of fact. There aren't very many BD users, certainly not enough to justify the ridiculous cost of inclusion for Apple.
On top of that, Steve Jobs is quoted as saying "probably not" to future inclusion.
I know BD users don't like the idea, but it is very likely that BD is going to be leap frogged by downloadable content in the future. It just makes so much more sense to move away from optical discs.
Though, once again, the decision doesn't reside with me. Jobs decides, and he doesn't like BD.
By all indications, relentlessly demanding BD on every single iMac related thread on MR is not going to change that.
FANBOY!!!!!
The Firewire issue is a big one for anyone stuck with a closed system with no second internal drive bay and only USB as the option for a second drive. Audio work DEMANDS Firewire or a secondary SATA drive because of the full duplex nature of those connection standards.
"Apple knows best" is a load of BS on that issue or they wouldn't have back-tracked and added-back Firewire to the Macbook line, renaming them "Pro" in the process.
The lack of Firewire on the new Macbook is pure marketing. Apple know people in need of the feature will just look at the spec/price difference and pay extra for the entry level Macbook Pro instead and just live with the smaller hard drive (or pay even more, 160Gb on the Pro makes NO sense to me).
Or you could just buy a $150 22" LCD from Newegg.com, which still brings the whole setup under 1K.
A "server" is anything that provides a service to multiple clients. This Mini does that. It's not a highend or even low end traditional server, but then again it's not priced like one either.
These guys seem to like using them for hosting:
http://www.macminicolo.net/
Let me put it this way: if I were to set up a small company of 25-50 users with mail, intranet, wiki, chat, and remote web access, I wouldn't mind plunking down a total of 2K for two of these boxes attached to a partitioned NewerTech SuperStack for SuperDuper+Time Machine.
You can get Windows servers pretty cheap too, but if you like OS X Server, it's not a bad route to go.
Its looks Eerie.
They know more when it comes to making money.. Sad fact of business I am afraid. i suppose we pay for aesthetics which is no bad thing really. iMacs are objects of desire, which is where apple pitch themselves. Maybe they are style over substance, but in reality that makes apple money.. you can't knock a company for that.. Making money is why they exist..
My apologies: I don't really know what that means. Can't get my head around it.
As far as I know, to play Wii on a iMac you need to you EYE TV.
Does this (the quote) change this fact?
iMac Update
The new 27" iMac looks pretty tempting.
My biggest disappointment is no SSD option or easy access to HD.
I don't care about a big HD on an iMAC because I have a very fast Qnap intel Atom NAS which gives me 70MB per second. I want a SSD just for OS and some apps, thats basically it.
I would actually even prefer to change it myself, but i hear its very difficult with iMAC!
The new 27" iMac looks pretty tempting.
My biggest disappointment is no SSD option or easy access to HD.
I don't care about a big HD on an iMAC because I have a very fast Qnap intel Atom NAS which gives me 70MB per second. I want a SSD just for OS and some apps, thats basically it.
I would actually even prefer to change it myself, but i hear its very difficult with iMAC!
I don't care one bit about blu-ray, so I didn't vote.
They could have had a poll "how much more would you pay for blu-ray", which is probably the question that Apple is asking.
FANBOY!!!!!
The Firewire issue is a big one for anyone stuck with a closed system with no second internal drive bay and only USB as the option for a second drive. Audio work DEMANDS Firewire or a secondary SATA drive because of the full duplex nature of those connection standards.
"Apple knows best" is a load of BS on that issue or they wouldn't have back-tracked and added-back Firewire to the Macbook line, renaming them "Pro" in the process.
The lack of Firewire on the new Macbook is pure marketing. Apple know people in need of the feature will just look at the spec/price difference and pay extra for the entry level Macbook Pro instead and just live with the smaller hard drive (or pay even more, 160Gb on the Pro makes NO sense to me).
I agree with most of what you say.. and yes backtracking does look bad, but i also think the backtracking was always planned in advance.. so will bluray maybe, but for this time right now (and when firewire was ditched) it was "right" for the company in some way.. for some reason.
For most people it will not be an issue.. and they will sell loads.. when they add bluray.. or something else (like backtracking onfi rewire) they will sell more.. again. It is just the way the world works. Marketing makes the world go around.
Although firewire on macbook was pure marketing.. I think BluRay on iMac is a bit more complicated than "just" marketing..
Interesting discussion.. and um... maybe I am a FANBOY.. and you are probably one secretly too ;-)
Grr, why doesn't Apple make the normal keyboard wireless??! The wireless keyboard as it is is too cramped! How difficult can that be...?! Now I have to buy a normal keyboard
you can chose either
I'm more than satisfied with the iMacs new specs! I've been waiting for months for the rumored refresh to buy my first mac. Now, my only dilemma is whether to get the i5 or i7.
Also, where is that Old Corpse fellow? Since I didn't want to wait until next year, I'm ecstatic that he was so very wrong. He could create a new screen name to avoid the shame. I almost feel sorry for him.
Also, where is that Old Corpse fellow? Since I didn't want to wait until next year, I'm ecstatic that he was so very wrong. He could create a new screen name to avoid the shame. I almost feel sorry for him.
this BR is really really annoying
damn it guys
the definition of a BR is made to be watched on a nice TV screen in your living room with an amplifier and good speakers
not on a computer screen
why don't you just buy a good BR drive and put it next to your TV ????
i'd rather watch a nice BR on a nice 40"/42" screen or bigger rather than on a 21 or even 27" each with some lame speakers...
damn it guys
the definition of a BR is made to be watched on a nice TV screen in your living room with an amplifier and good speakers
not on a computer screen
why don't you just buy a good BR drive and put it next to your TV ????
i'd rather watch a nice BR on a nice 40"/42" screen or bigger rather than on a 21 or even 27" each with some lame speakers...
Wow, the new iMacs really make my G4 seem outdated even though it is only nine years old! 3.06ghz dual-cores and quadcores at still high speeds compared to my seemingly pokey 1.2ghz G4. I think I can wait another four years before upgrading to a new Mac though.
I don't need the new iMac. I like the freedom that comes with a laptop much more.
But thinking about that 27" display makes me drool. Big displays actually does make productivity go up.
But thinking about that 27" display makes me drool. Big displays actually does make productivity go up.
Gotta say, they LOOK very nice...esthetically.
However, I'm bummed about them still starting at $1200. I can't justify the $1200 for these specs even now.
Maybe next year Apple will get my money. I still think the baseline iMac (especially considering it's price/features are only updated when it is refreshed) is overpriced at $1200. I was hoping $999.
-Eric
And computers used to cost $3500-$4000 starting and you can't even justify $1200.
What's wrong with wanting to spend less on a computer?And computers used to cost $3500-$4000 starting and you can't even justify $1200.
it really just matters what youre going to be using it for. if its just for daily use then you might not even need the 27". however, if youre planning on doing graphics intensive programs like 3d modeling or gaming, then go for the quad cores. as far as i5 or i7, im pretty sure that the only reason you would need the i7 is dick comparison or if you need to build a super computer that runs osx. which in that case just go for a mac pro. i myself am trying to decide to but im leaning more towars the i5. i feel like that should serve me well for quite some time and cost less. i dont feel like its worth it to spend another $180 on a processor that im only slightly going to notice a difference between it and the i5.