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To all those people saying "Why do they still include a DVD drive? or They'll be out of date soon - who uses CD's?... Just how ignorant can you get?!

Given these are 'supposed' to be Professional products, a DVD drive is the first feature you'd have on the list in terms of make-up. I study audio technology at University, and for all the countless people that have the MacBook's here, a laptop without a CD drive is about as useful as a chocolate teapot. We burn discs every week, as do the Film students, photography students... Just because, as an individual, you don't need the drive does not mean everyone else feels the same way. Compact Discs have a long future, but even that is only based on whether Philips continue to support the rights.

Although I'm sure Jobs would want Blu-Ray support, you are all forgetting that when he referred to "a bag of hurt", he was talking in retrospect of the legal situation. Sony haven't just handed over the rights to Blu-Ray technology willingly - this is business, and they are competing. The only consolation as far as this situation is concerned is that The Times suggested Apple were investigating a 'loop-hole' in the rights to use Blu-Ray - an already long and expensive process.

Then their is the question of how Apple would distribute Blu-Ray drives. Even 2/3 years ago, it was standard to have the choice of the silly 'Combo-Drive' or the 'Super-Drive' on MacBooks, and I would imagine the same situation will occur should Apple find rights; to upgrade to the Blu-Ray drive will cost. This isn't solely because Apple are stingy - its because they need to find out whether there is a market or a need for Blu-Ray within the consumer domain. I still wouldn't mind a better quality drive, however - these are anything but 'Super'.

But even if all this is true... Apple then still needs to develop their own Software to support the Blu-Ray drives. 'DVD Player' will probably be replaced by a universal DVD/Blu program, as well as a number of other OS X updates. These updates are not going to be typical downloads - they are part of the core OS, and I can imagine them being implemented in 10.7.

So, as you can see, its ok ranting "Just put the drives in!!!!!", but it's no means a simple process.

Reflecting on todays updates, I'm not too surprised by the changes, but they were quite average. It's unbelievable that the 13" MacBook Pro still only has one Audio In/Out combo jacket. This is a company so tight that, to quote Ferris Bueller, if you stuck a lump of coal in their butt, they could make it into a diamond. All that available space and they can't even provide one extra audio jack.

The 13" MacBook Pro was never in a million years going to get an i5/i7 CPU either simply because of the space constraints, and the need for better ventilation (hence why Apple made the iMac 27", so that their was room for adequate convection). It's a catch 22 situation - they're lovely machines, but they're never going to be as powerful as the 15"/17". Plus, Apple know that if you want this power, you'll have to spend more....

People also forget that they're rarely using these CPU's to the max - they're just attracted by Apples marketing that, "Hey, these are the most powerful MacBooks ever!" [eerm, aren't they always after each update?] and lots of pretty names and number provided by intel. Unless you're absolutely serious about your work and push programs to the max, you're never going to get value from updating your machine. I think a lot of impressionable people just like to feel the need of having a 'powerful' sucker in their room, for the feeling of owning power. Well, I've been using a White MacBook 2.1ghz for Logic productions, DJ gigs and animation for over 2 years. Go figure!

Solid-State-Drive technology is still quite pricey, so again I'm disappointed with the upgrade prices, but its really not shocking. Best two new features which I think some have overlooked:

- Support for Apple iPhone headset with microphone (i.e iPod Touch/iPhone headphones)

- Stereo speakers with subwoofers (Hopefully, an improvement over the horrible tinny, flat output before.
 
The smallest 15" MBP with anti glare display is now EUR 2.100 in Germany. That is USD 2.856,- or approx. 25% more than the previous entry level 15" with matt display...

No new MacBook for me for now! :(

yup, a decent 15" laptop from Apple is $2k and up ...

people bought lots of 13" Macbook and here apple find a way to ask them to upgrade to 15"
 
I do. I'm a videographer and it would have been nice to make an HD disc for a client straight from the MBP. Archiving to a 50GB Blu-ray disc is also more cost effective than archiving to much more expensive hard drives.
I believe that people are still using optical media... but for the most part, it is dying, and will continue to do so. There will always be special cases where people (you as an example) legitimately need legacy media... but those will move further from being mainstream.

Personally... I absolutely do not want an optical drive in any laptop that I own. It adds unnecessary weight, and especially bulk. This is one of the reasons that I consider my MBA to be a 10X better laptop than my 15" MBP. I almost never use my MBP anymore.

Having said that... I still do want an optical drive on my desktop system... but I do expect it to be used increasingly less over time... and eventually I will consider it to be legacy on the desktop. Even today, if I could buy a 27" iMac with a SSD/HDD combo, instead of a HDD/Optical combo... then I would do so in a heartbeat, even if it meant installing an external optical drive for the occasional times I might want it.

I do think that BluRay will face a tough challenge. On one side, it is driving picture quality exceedingly higher... but at the same time, it is fighting off internet delivery of content. Over time, I expect the internet to win... and physical media to die (comparatively speaking)

Archiving to optical media generally a poor choice. The longevity just isn't there. I would personally recommend a combination of archiving to HDD (despite the higher cost) coupled with cloud based backup.

/Jim
 
NVIDIA rebrand so much that it's not a surprise people haven't got the faintest clue what their products are and how they compare.
It is a mess.

Anyway, the 320M is a new chipset to succeed the 9400M (48 shaders, 3x 9400M speed).
I noticed the shared video RAM on second glance.

The ten hour battery life is nice as well. I'm certain that a 2.4GHz Core 2 Duo is good for many people. The 2.66GHz variant isn't really worth it compared to the lower-end 15" though.
Battery life is Apple's usual obsession but you can't convert it into processor or GPU performance

The 4GB RAM is also good.
I've had 4 GB of RAM since 2007.

Personally I'd prefer a 13" MacBook Pro without an optical drive, and using that extra space for squeezing in a Core i3 or i5, and some more USB ports.
I'll be waiting for refurbished models. I might not be getting that M11x.
 
I'm laughing SOOOOOOOOOOO hard that you can't get even an i3 in the 13". AHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHA.

Pony up to a 15" or 17" if you want real power.
 
let the bitching about the lack of Bluray begin!

Apple is very frustrating. i just want to enjoy my discs or rental ones from netflix on the road. Apple is boycotting this tech just to protect its itunes movie store. pretty horrible anti-competitive ****.

Apple ought to let their consumers decide instead of pushing an agenda to stonewall rapidly accepted tech
 
Pricing is still too high

Apple produces great hardware and software. In the "old day" we knew that the premium pricing was due to the PowerPC processors, advanced graphic processors, and overall less expensive to maintain.

Fast forward to today and both Macs and (higher end) PCs have Intel processors, and NVIDA graphic processors. PC do require all the anti-this and anti-that software (which still does not prevent a lot of things from happening). However, the Macs still run at about a 50% price premium.

I use both a Mac and PC. Its my saying that "PC's don't include an IT department and Mac's don't require one." I have to constantly make sure my PC is up to date with Windows Updates, AVG Pro app and virus database updates, run AVG full scan's, defrag the hard drive, and use CCleaner on a daily basis to clean up crap and fix Windows Registry errors.

Today, Apple announced new laptops. However, when I compare the specs to my new Toshiba Satellite laptop (A505-S6033), there are few differences. This is the second Toshiba laptop that I've purchased for business use in the last 9 months. The last one has an LED backlit 17" screen, the new one does not. All Mac's are LED backlit, which is better. My new Toshiba has an Intel i7 processor and NVIDIA GeForce 310M graphics. The Mac has a FASTER i7 processor and slightly better NVIDA GPU, ... but at twice the price of the Toshiba.

Apple could seriously do better by offering the significantly less expensive, though slightly slower, i7 processor that my Toshiba has (1.8GHz processor speed with Turbo Boost up to 2.8GHz). The price difference between the 1.8 GHz in my Toshiba and Apple's top offering 2.66 GHz is probably around an "extra" $200. I'm sure that plenty of people would be will to purchase the i7 MacBook Pro with the less expensive option of a slower -- though still i7 -- processor.

One thing that I still can not understand is that none of the MacBooks have a number pad on the side of the keyboard. As a web designer, I do have to play with plenty of spreadsheets and this requires using a number pad. Yes, you can add a USB number pad, but it should be on the laptop.

As for the software -- Apple is certainly the BEST! I've been using Windows 7 on the new laptop and there are issues with it working with many apps (older version of FedEx Ship Manager) and getting it to work with some printers such as DYMO label printer and Zebra thermal shipping label printer.
 
This completely BLOWS....I honestly can't believe they're still selling a core 2 duo laptop for $1499! Ridiculous. They should've atleast put 3.00ghz and up if they were going to keep the core 2 duo's on the 13". What a joke...Screw apple
 
Good news is they finally have an antiglare matte screen option

Bad news is I'm still not buying until they've got Blu-ray burners instead of the laughable 2003 technology "super"drives. No really, you can't read the new sales blurbs on the store website about the "super" drive without laughing out loud. Wow. You mean I can actually BURN DVD's? In 2010? Will technological marvels never cease!

But kudos for listening to the pros who know and offering matte screens.

And at least going through the motions that they're a cutting edge computer company.

:apple:
 
I wonder why no i3 in the 13" model. Does anyone know how the i3 compares to the core2? Is this a case of not enough i3s to go round or is there no real performance difference between the two to justify the change? Apologies in advance if someone else has asked a similar question or provided a relevant response already.

The i3 uses more power (35W vs 25W) and is generally on par or a little slower than the newest Core 2 Duos. I'm not sure why everyone was hoping for an i3. i3 is the new Celeron, it would be a disgrace to see it in Apple hardware.

Apple made the right choice. 10 hour battery life!
 
Anyone know what processor cores are in these things? Am I right in thinking that they're Arrandale?
 
The differences are:

i7 Benchmark by Intel
3.06 GHz, 2.93 GHz, and 2.66 GHz core speed
8 processing threads with Intel® HT technology
8 MB of Intel® Smart Cache
3 Channels of DDR3 1066 MHz memory

i5 Benchmark by Intel
2.66 GHz and up to 3.20 GHz with Intel® Turbo Boost Technology
4 processing threads
8 MB of Intel® Smart Cache
2 channels of DDR3 1333 MHz memory

We are in different times, the Giga Hertz are not the main feature you should look at. Now there are other factors more important that improves the chip performance and consumption.

THANK YOU!!!
could you please compare these to the core 2 duo of the new 13" as well?
 
2006 called, it wants its complaints back.

Haven't people figured out by now that Apple decides what's best for you, not the other way around?

2006 called and they want their processor back from the new 13 inch MBP.

And it's laughable to think Apple does what is best for their customers. Get off the crack. They're a multi-billion dollar corporation, doing what's best for their shareholders, not a charity. Lol.
 
eh, the only thing i'm upset about is apple discontinued the express card slot on the 15" (which has happen in prev. models so i sorta knew that, but was hoping it would come back) so now I need to get the 17, but i much prefer the 15. But because of this update I will prob be doing more of my editing on my laptop so the screen size is nice...
 
I'm laughing SOOOOOOOOOOO hard that you can't get even an i3 in the 13". AHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHA.

Pony up to a 15" or 17" if you want real power.

it is sad indeed, Core i3 performance is similar to C2D, but there is no reason to keep the old technology when there is a new technology for similar price available.

also 8GB is the maximum or it is because there is no 2X8GB kits available yet?
 
i got a 17 MBP 3.06 anti-glare 4gb ram... like two weeks ago, do you think i would be able to have apple give me one of these new ones?
 
so please tell me will i be able to use the new CS5 well in a low-end 13''? will i be happy with it? i'm fed up with windows...

Hi,

I would think that a 13" screen would be too small to properly use CS.

s.
 
WOW 13" models got screwed over big time!!!!

way to go apple for making your products suck!!!

Comments like this make you look less than intelligent. Price went up 100$, and you get +2GB of ram, +90GB of HD space, +0.14GHZ of processor, better graphics card, and 3 hours more on your battery life.

smarten up~
 
I wonder why no i3 in the 13" model. Does anyone know how the i3 compares to the core2? Is this a case of not enough i3s to go round or is there no real performance difference between the two to justify the change? Apologies in advance if someone else has asked a similar question or provided a relevant response already.

I wager it is because the i3/i5 etc requires apple to include a gfx BOARD ala the 15" and 17", so far apple just cant do it due to space/ cost.

I had this worry when I heard about intel & Nvidia falling out months ago, it has come true.:(

I guess this also means the next mac mini will be C2D 2.4/2/66 with a 320M GFX card, apple will throw in 4GB of ram as standard and bump the price to £599 for the basic and £710 for the Mac Mini with Bigger HD.

I think Apples direction has changed guys, they are more interested in Phones and iPads now then they are mac's, Im not complaining im getting the iPad, its just a little sad as it means mac's will drag behind PC's when it comes to technology, On a Plus note my 13" Macbook CE Unibody still looks pretty good compared to the crap update today
 
Maybe now people will stop bitching at the iPad news! You've got your MBP update that you've been waiting, now go have fun and leave the iPad topics alone!
 
i got a 17 MBP 3.06 anti-glare 4gb ram... like two weeks ago, do you think i would be able to have apple give me one of these new ones?

Call Apple.

I expect it will cost you money to return it. Not worth it.

s.
 
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