++ well said.
I hope you are a nice big brother and shared your lunch with him
If you are a nice big brother, you'll save him the $5, have him grab Xcode 3 and wait to pay for Xcode 4 when it becomes stable and doesn't throw exceptions all the time.
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Apple Releases Xcode 4 to Developers, Coming Soon to Mac App Store for $4.99
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If you are a nice big brother, you'll save him the $5, have him grab Xcode 3 and wait to pay for Xcode 4 when it becomes stable and doesn't throw exceptions all the time.
Guess I won't be using xcode anymore Well looks like I will be working on windows this semester.
Well looks like I will be working on windows this semester.Xcode 4 is a great update! I really like how they modified the layout and integrated Interface Builder. Bravo Apple! Well done!
I am amazed that Apple releases such a fantastic IDE free to their developers and for a pittance of $4.99, less than the price of a mixed drink in downtown Chicago, to others. Very generous!
Xcode is stable and fast. I really enjoy using it. It's a vast improvement over Textmate which crashes all the time and has relegated itself to vaporware.
I am amazed that Apple releases such a fantastic IDE free to their developers and for a pittance of $4.99, less than the price of a mixed drink in downtown Chicago, to others. Very generous!
Xcode is stable and fast. I really enjoy using it. It's a vast improvement over Textmate which crashes all the time and has relegated itself to vaporware.
Guess I won't be using xcode anymore
All because of a measly $5 fee? Good grief.
Accepting it doesn't make someone sheepish. Please stop using Safari 6 as an example. Safari is going to remain free, as are most other currently-free applications, or they risk losing a significant user base.
Safari 6, free on Lion, otherwise charge for Snow Leopard users with the application store.
Guess I won't be using xcode anymore
So whatever you were using before stopped working just now?
lol $5 that's less than what I paid for yellow dog linux CD back in the days.
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Originally Posted by KnightWRX
Nope, Xcode 3 still works fine thank god. It's just frustrating to see Apple suddenly charging for something that was free. There's no guarantee Xcode 4 will be free when I need to update and there's no guarantee I will have a 99$ account by then either.
Also, there's no guarantee Xcode will still be included with OS updates.
It's just it seems that these days, Apple is all about nickel and diming. Huge record profits, yet let's charge for what was once free. The bottom line seems to be all that counts for Apple nowadays.
Or reducing iPod Touch updates from $10 to $0. Or reducing the price of iLife and iWork on the App store besides letting you buy the individual apps separately so you don't have to pay for what you don't use. Or lowering the price of Aperture from $200 to $79 on the app store. Or charging $29 for Snow Leopard. I see no sign of Apple nickel and diming anywhere.
The main reason they are doing this is because of accounting. Before Xcode was released with a new version of the OS so it was included in the price. This update is coming before Lion is released so is they are charging a trivial amount for it.
Originally Posted by KnightWRX
Nope, Xcode 3 still works fine thank god. It's just frustrating to see Apple suddenly charging for something that was free. There's no guarantee Xcode 4 will be free when I need to update and there's no guarantee I will have a 99$ account by then either.
Also, there's no guarantee Xcode will still be included with OS updates.
It's just it seems that these days, Apple is all about nickel and diming. Huge record profits, yet let's charge for what was once free. The bottom line seems to be all that counts for Apple nowadays.
Or reducing iPod Touch updates from $10 to $0. Or reducing the price of iLife and iWork on the App store besides letting you buy the individual apps separately so you don't have to pay for what you don't use. Or lowering the price of Aperture from $200 to $79 on the app store. Or charging $29 for Snow Leopard. I see no sign of Apple nickel and diming anywhere.
The main reason they are doing this is because of accounting. Before Xcode was released with a new version of the OS so it was included in the price. This update is coming before Lion is released so is they are charging a trivial amount for it.
Sure charging $3000 for a mac pro for something I can build with my hands is hardly justifiable. Oh wait you can't compare the two because .... etc etc etc xCode just isn't as good yet. The gap between interface and code is still too big. For instance something really simple. Can I create an event by double clicking on a control?
It's just that I would need a credit card to purchase xcode, and I have all the m$ tools (developer, windoze licenses even for windoze server) for free since I'm a student.
Also I'm pretty sure you can't sell anything on either App Store without paying the $99 yearly fee.
I didn't say he was sheepish, I said he was sheepishly accepting it. "It's ok, because Apple decided it this way" doesn't mean you're necessarily a sheep, but you are accepting the situation in a sheepish way.
That's what the phrase means. I really don't get what you people see as insulting there ?
Yeah, just like Xcode was free. I'll stop using Safari 6 as an example the day it ships for free. Right now, I'm very concerned for the future of Apple free applications.
+1 Some people here just have a flair for the dramatic.
Too bad for him when he sees what a real version of Visual Studio costs
Eh to be fair, this is not alot and when you see that Apple is including the server aspect of their Lion OS into the retail one, you can't say they are nickle diming on all fronts
I'm going to guess that Xcode 4 will come with Lion for free. So basically, the App Store $4.99 purchase is meant for those that are not paid developers and do not own (or intend to own) Lion. The short-term caveat is that Lion is not an option, so if you want to see Xcode 4 *now*, you must be a paid dev or cough up five bucks. Otherwise just wait for Lion and get Xcode through that upgrade. Once Lion is mainstream this "problem" will be pretty much moot.
+1 Some people here just have a flair for the dramatic.
Too bad for him when he sees what a real version of Visual Studio costs
That's the point, for me it costs 0. And even I buy the xcode my other class mates wont. I was waiting for xcode 4 to end the mess xcode 3 was (windows everywhere).
What I really want to know is, who here has actually used this release version of XCode 4?
I tried the preview version a while back and it was completely unusable due to numerous bugs; it couldn't even save a project correctly.
I tried the preview version a while back and it was completely unusable due to numerous bugs; it couldn't even save a project correctly.
++ well said.
I hope you are a nice big brother and shared your lunch with him
I'm the one who gave him the Macbook he's using, so I think I've been generous enough
To the first, seems about the same (for better or worse) so far. To the second, don't know.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but couldn't you go buy a $15/$20 App Store gift card and then use that? Just throwing options out there if you don't have a credit/debit card.