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Apple Releases Xcode 4 to Developers, Coming Soon to Mac App Store for $4.99
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I wish Apple charged more. I am a paid programme developer and I get Access Denied when I'm trying to download. It seems people don't mind the charge and are overloading the servers already.
+1. As a windows developer I can tell you what that user wrote as far as windows being cheaper is very incorrect. Try and do anything with the free versions and you will be hit with roadblock after roadblock unless you are just doing some very basic development.
I didn't get it earlier this afternoon (about 2 hours ago, also a paying registered dev)
I couldn't agree less
Bad in XCode: IB in XCode 3 was bad since it was so separated - but XCode4 its nicely integrated (finally).
Better in XCode: clean separation of the of MVC concept - it is build in the IDE to have a clean design here. In VS 90% of the developers make a mess of the separation of the Model View and Controller because the IDE leads to mixing those. XCode development leads in my view much much cleaner and more reusable code than the mess the VS creates (my background is >20 years windows programming and now 5 years mac development). I used almost all versions for VS and I prefer xcode4 over VS. And the full version of xcode is still cheaper than the 'medium' featured for 'full' featured version of VS. All the companies I worked for spend lots and lots of money on VS products.
I'm surprised nobody thinks this move will help the "casual" developer. How many people that browse the app store - see XCode - and think "I could get into that for $4.99" - click "Buy" on the MAS and have XCode ready to go. Before, they would have to know about the developer site - create a developer account - download and install the developer tools.
Or to put it in another real-world (relevant to me) example: iPhone Development classes will no longer have to go through the "Create a Developer Account" process during the first day of classes. Just make sure students grab XCode from the MAS before class.
Or to put it in another real-world (relevant to me) example: iPhone Development classes will no longer have to go through the "Create a Developer Account" process during the first day of classes. Just make sure students grab XCode from the MAS before class.
What a bag o' whiners and free loaders. Let's see, Apple makes it available for $5 a la carte or free w/ any developer subscription. Please explain what is not fair about that plan? Maybe Apple would have been smarter to just say XCode is for developers therefore its only available to developers. I know a lot of other companies that limit s/w to trade-only, not retail customers.
NeXT as a business wasn't going anywhere. Apple bought them because they had the best software at the time, which they did.
That's exactly what they should do. Limit it to dev's only. By peddling it for $5 it looks like they are trying to make a quick bucks on it.
Personally, as long as XCode 3 is available and can install a functioning compiler, I'll be fine. I usually use a more recent version of gcc than XCode provides, but it's tough to get to that point without the system compiler and toolchain installed. My concern is whether XCode 3 (or some free version) will be maintained as we move on to 10.7.
5$ are not that much of a problem. But getting an application via the AppStore (with Registration and CreditCard) can be amajor issue in some companies (like ours). It's simply not permitted. Period.
But aside from that, I had been in the dev program privately and I tried Xcode 4. To some, it may be an enhancement. To me, it was horrible. But that's completely dependent on how you work. My usual workflow was simply no longer possible. And I could not get used to the new workflow during the whole period of trial.
So check it for yourself it you are interested. There's no general rule, you have to discover for yourself.
But aside from that, I had been in the dev program privately and I tried Xcode 4. To some, it may be an enhancement. To me, it was horrible. But that's completely dependent on how you work. My usual workflow was simply no longer possible. And I could not get used to the new workflow during the whole period of trial.
So check it for yourself it you are interested. There's no general rule, you have to discover for yourself.
Is there any advantage to me getting it off the MAS? Does it just download a DMG like I would get by logging into ADC?
Nope, Xcode 3 still works fine thank god. It's just frustrating to see Apple suddenly charging for something that was free. There's no guarantee Xcode 4 will be free when I need to update and there's no guarantee I will have a 99$ account by then either.
Also, there's no guarantee Xcode will still be included with OS updates.
It's just it seems that these days, Apple is all about nickel and diming. Huge record profits, yet let's charge for what was once free. The bottom line seems to be all that counts for Apple nowadays.
My bet is XCode 4 will be free for people who purchase Lion, but we'll have to wait and see.
Its an issue we are tackling currently as well. We don't allow it and never will. Currently I have the App Store as a restricted app but as companies move to the App Store its going to hurt enterprises. Without real volume licensing that is.
Well said. I can't believe all of the complaints about having to spend 5 bucks. For the cost of a cheese burger you can learn to be an IOS developer. Having been a developer for many years, I too remember the days of having to pay big bucks for development tools.
If this is indeed true, wouldn't you look back at this whole $5 thing as a unnecessary?
Really? That includes reducing the paid developer program to 99$ from 499$ (Although the hardware discounts made up for the difference if you used them) or including 400$ server software for free in the next release of OS X?
Free-loaders? I wrote some(*) of the code (in gcc) being distributed with XCode.
(*) Well, a little bit. Most of my contributions are in a language front-end that XCode doesn't include.