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Apple Releases Xcode 4 to Developers, Coming Soon to Mac App Store for $4.99

dethmaShine said:
Yes, because it was always free.
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Talk to someone who actually doesn't know Apple's and NeXT's history perhaps might give you sympathetic support.

We used to sell NeXT Developer Tools for $4999.

You're complaining about $4.99 for a Developer IDE Suite that allows you to sell your apps on the App Store to hundreds of millions of perspective consumers and yet you're still complaining.

How much money will you lay down for booze, smokes, and other habits?
 
deputy_doofy said:
It's a bit of a shame to charge $5, but I suspect it's only for people who want the next version. It will probably come free with new Macs as it always has.
I also wonder if it's only free for paid developer accounts because, as it stands, I'm on the free one.
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Have you checked to see if you can download it? It maybe paid, if you have no account at all. Maybe a away to track who has it but no account???
 
nosidam said:
The $4.99 fee is very much in line with Apple's interpretation of Sarbanes-Oxley and how they charge a nominal fee for iPod touch iOS updates, but not iPhones since they are accounted for differently.

Xcode will probably be free with Mac OS X, but major updates will have a nominal fee unless you have a developer account, since it's cost is built into the yearly fee.
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I think this is it. I will be surprised if Apple makes even 100,000 of this. Xcode 4 is a major rewrite that they spent many millions of dollars developing. They can't give it away without charging anything.

Note, that earlier versions of Xcode (At least 2.0 and 3.0) were always released with new OS'es, therefore being included in the cost of the OS.
 
DirtySocks85 said:
Negative. I was hoping for the same but when I tried and logged in I got the following message:



Additionally, I think that Apple should combine the Mac and iOS dev programs so that you pay one $99/year fee to develop for both. This would encourage a lot of synergy and cross-platform development between OS X and iOS.
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If they did they would change $198 for it :D
 
As long as they're still distributing Xcode 3 for free, I don't care. If they at any point remove the ability to get a compiler set up for free... then I'll be pissed.

Xcode 4 is nice. I don't understand this move though.
 
blackcrayon said:
Since they're releasing it, maybe they know something I don't - who knows maybe some rogue preference somewhere that only some people have lying around makes it unstable. I guess I'll have to try using it on a clean install of Mac OS X to make sure that's not the case.
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Even the GM seed had one serious issue, which I reported only to find that it was already an open issue. In order to build for release I had to fully delete it and do a clean install of XCode 3 again. XCode 4 looks really great and has some really welcome new features. But I'm not going to install it again until I don't have any important projects on.
 
This forum never ceases to amaze me.

I'd like someone to find me another IDE as capable as XCode for $5. It's less than a combo meal at Taco Bell.
 
exscape said:
Nope, non-paid developers can't get it. I tried.
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Bummer.

For anyone that has installed Xcode via the App store, does it still put the debug hooks into the OS? I wonder if that means apps like SuperDuper! will be allowed...
 
For those that have used Xcode 4 or those experienced in such:

I'm currently at square one in learning iOS programming for the iPad. I'm going through a book right now that's just getting me to the point of writing my first simple little app. Will updating to version 4 hamper my learning much, given that a lot of on-screen examples are included in the book from version 3?

Hell, will it make it easier? I'm just curious because I want to upgrade now but wondered if I should wait until the end of this particular book first.

Thanks for your help,
Ian
 
0815 said:
I agree. First of all, is is JUST $5, not a big deal. I really don't get the self entitlement people have these days to get everything for free. This is the full version for just under $5, no lite version no feature limited - the full version. That is really cheap - and also we don't know the reasons for charging, might have to do with some licensing.
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I usually don't bother for a couple of ££ however it's the principle that Xcode for free help the developers to get close to the already enstablished Apple ecosystem. Why should someone spend few ££ just to tryout or learn a compiler or language when eventually s/he needs to spend further $99 to actually distribute the software?

I just say was unnecessary. That's all.
 
I /really/ wonder if this "fixes" the need of iPhone envisioning profiles, should be worth the 5 bucks then!
 
I bet the $4.99 charge is to compensate Apple for the massive amount of bandwidth this download will take up for them, and to stop thousands of people who don't really know about computers from downloading an 8GB file and thinking herp derp I'm gonna make the next angry birds in 15 minutes this afternoon.
 
fswmacguy said:
This forum never ceases to amaze me.

I'd like someone to find me another IDE as capable as XCode for $5. It's less than a combo meal at Taco Bell.
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I think with NeXT, it was something like $5,000 for this tool alone. I would be upset if I had to pay for Taco Bell if it was free for 10 years. $4.99 or $499 at the beginning and nobody would have minded.
 
mdriftmeyer said:
Talk to someone who actually doesn't know Apple's and NeXT's history perhaps might give you sympathetic support.

We used to sell NeXT Developer Tools for $4999.

You're complaining about $4.99 for a Developer IDE Suite that allows you to sell your apps on the App Store to hundreds of millions of perspective consumers and yet you're still complaining.
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I get it for "free" with my $99 dev program, but the principle of this whole thing really ticks me off. Why charge $5 for it? Why not $99? Why not $0.99? Why not free? $5 is so blatantly arbitrary for what has been, up to now, a free tool that it's maddening. And as a developer, I say this with the opinion that the UI in Xcode 4 is a step backwards from 3.

That said, compared to the stability and feature set of developer tools on "that other platform", $5 does eerily match my take on Xcode's comparative worth. Someday, perhaps, we'll have a debugger that can cope with large C++ codebases, but that day is still not here.
 
fswmacguy said:
This forum never ceases to amaze me.

I'd like someone to find me another IDE as capable as XCode for $5. It's less than a combo meal at Taco Bell.
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I've come to believe that most members on this forum are broke high school and college students, who think Apple should cater to them over people in the real world.
 
MadDog31 said:
Hell, will it make it easier? I'm just curious because I want to upgrade now but wondered if I should wait until the end of this particular book first.

Thanks for your help,
Ian
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I find it a much more productive environment, because your workspace does not get cluttered. I spend a lot less time hunting for the right button or file.

The biggest difference is that everything runs inside a single window.
For most of the book examples it won't make a big difference.

Some things, like the debugger, and Interface Builder take more getting used to.

C.
 
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