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Agreed

@maelstromr apparently doesn't agree. Apple just banned a bunch of civil war games that use the confederate flag. If a civil war game can't use it then I'm not sure where it's acceptable.
A game about building segregationist racist state governments in the 1950s and 1960s would be a good place to use it.

Seems the word confederate really confuses people.
 
When mass murderers are allowed to appropriate symbols to the point where society must be cleansed of them for the good of the social fabric, we all lose. It gives them entirely too much power, but we live in a shallow, image-obsessed culture where a lot of people have a lot of time and not much to do, so here we are.

It was already a symbol of racism and hatred. The shooter did not make it that.
 
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I think you're giving those groups too much power. The choice of this as the flag is one of the biggest no-brainers ever. The same choice would have been made in 1866, absent any committees to craft something new.
You couldn't be more wrong. The confederate flag did not take on any significance or prominence for nearly 100 years after the end of the civil war.
 
It was already a symbol of racism and hatred. The shooter did not make it that.

No, but he was effective in getting its use changed where others were not. What I'm seeing is mass murder as an effective vehicle for social change. Heck, he managed to get the Rhodesian and old South African flags removed from amazon because he had them on one of his jackets. That is influence right there.
 
It was already a symbol of racism and hatred. The shooter did not make it that.

The swastika is thousands of years old and a very enchanting symbol. People in India, and a few other countries, still use it liberally.

Your comment goes to show how little you know of the flag and its meaning. Why don't we ban Bonnie Blue while we're at it and sweet tea...

When you attack a culture and way of life, expect strong opposition. Ignorance has never been a viable excuse in this life. Moderators, that was a generalization and not a personal attack.
 
Why isn't rap music banned from Apple? Why did Apple pay 3 billion for a company owned by an "artist" that built his empire on perpetuating the "N" word and calling women "bitches and ho's" and talked about hating the police and killing them?

No one really wants to touch that. It's just so easy to jump on white people. I'll find my way to prison or interrogation for saying half of what rappers or Dre says (in his music).

I say rap music has contributed more to race oppression than crack or malt liquor.. And even FLAGS!

Maybe Taylor Swift should ask Apple to ban/remove rap music.

Idiot country. PC has killed us all.

So well said.

Hypocrisy, thy name is Tim Cook and all who encourage the repulsive thug lyrics of rap and hip-hop, thereby contributing to the despicable gang culture that good Christian folks have to endure.
 
The second succession is coming, and it will start in Texas over Wind Turbine subsidies. Waco will become the Capital of the 2nd Confederacy. :eek:
A number of people have mischaracterized the "Dixie Cross" flag as not being the "true" Confederate flag. But a quick look at Wikipedia belies this sentiment:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flags_of_the_Confederate_States_of_America

Unsurprisingly, it became the final, historically recognizable Confederate flag for good reason. It or its likeness is easily the most prominent feature in both the 2nd and 3rd (and final) official flag, as well as various other Confederate flags.


So you can't use this as an excuse, regardless of which side of the issue you stand on. It's clearly the "real" flag.

You need to go back and reread that.
 
Why isn't rap music banned from Apple? Why did Apple pay 3 billion for a company owned by an "artist" that built his empire on perpetuating the "N" word and calling women "bitches and ho's" and talked about hating the police and killing them?

No one really wants to touch that. It's just so easy to jump on white people. I'll find my way to prison or interrogation for saying half of what rappers or Dre says (in his music).

I say rap music has contributed more to race oppression than crack or malt liquor.. And even FLAGS!

Maybe Taylor Swift should ask Apple to ban/remove rap music.

Idiot country. PC has killed us all.

Very well said. Selective outrage by the PC police.
 
I see this getting reversed, for the same reasons others have said. You'd have to remove the swastika, hammer and sickle, the socialist fist, the Black power fist, Nazi salute, possibly some Islamic and anti-Islamic imagery. Not that all of those symbols represent hate groups, but they could to the right people and in the right context.

And that's the problem with Apple regulating this. Who decides what constitutes hate? Can it extend to Christians, atheists, anti-Semites? Proponents of traditional marriage? The LGBT community?

There's a difference between a symbol being used in its historical context and being used to promote hate.
 
I like this point you mention in here: truth and information is the enemy in China. And that is why i expect they will pay for this, sooner or later.

The idea of free expression and free thought is still not welcomed in much of the world. In China it can get you jailed, in the Middle East it can get you killed. As bad as the NSA has been and my government spying on my private information, when I put my head on the pillow at night and go to sleep, there is no other country on this planet I would feel as safe waking up in. And to drill down further, I happen to live in the North Eastern part of the USA, which also allows my expression to be much more free, more free than say down in some southern states. So back to your point, yes, freedom is relative. I've always said, I can probably live in only about 5 states in the entire country of 50. Many would be a tad hostile to my political and religious views. But mostly I'd not feel like *I* fit in, rather than anyone else outwardly making my life miserable.
 
I see this getting reversed, for the same reasons others have said. You'd have to remove the swastika, hammer and sickle, the socialist fist, the Black power fist, Nazi salute, possibly some Islamic and anti-Islamic imagery. Not that all of those symbols represent hate groups, but they could to the right people and in the right context.

And that's the problem with Apple regulating this. Who decides what constitutes hate? Can it extend to Christians, atheists, anti-Semites? Proponents of traditional marriage? The LGBT community?

There's a difference between a symbol being used in its historical context and being used to promote hate.

I want HELLO KITTY removed from *all* Apple stores. Do you know how offended I am by that human-cat? It deeply offends me on an emotional and religious level.
 
It has nothing to do with historical revisionism, quite the opposite actually. Germany performed one of the biggest atrocities in the last couple of centuries. If you’re the government and the population of that country it goes a bit further than just embarrassment, you want to make absolutely sure it can never happen again.

And I have absolutely no clue how removing all traces of imagery relating to said atrocity is going to prevent similar things from happening again. To me that makes no sense. No sense at all.

Congratulations, your family was oppressed by the communists, well so was mine. Well the half that stayed in Russia anyway. They didn't even completely escape it either as my grandfather was harassed and bullied and his parents were insulted, denied service and worse for being German.

If someone acts upon their feelings of hatred they are punished. But the removal and effective banning of images and speech is high level thought policing which I find to be nearly as saddening as the atrocities those banned images represent, and in my opinion, will most surely lead to similar atrocities being committed in the future.

Freedom IS relative. Remember when George Bush wanted to spread "USA freedom" to the Middle East? They didn't want *our* version of freedom. So yes, it is relative. The freedom the United States knows is something that frankly is more the exception than the rule throughout the world. What I can shout at my street corner and get away with as first amendment protected speech is vastly different than what I can do in most countries throughout the world. At best, it may get me smacked across the head, at worst it could get me jailed or killed.

I love how people cry and whine about how the USA should be more like Germany this and the USA should be more like France that, We should be more like these other Westernized Nations. I have to chuckle. USA IS the west! That's how they got westernized! Well those people are getting their wishes as each passing month sees another right we once had vanish with the flick of a pen or the blaring of a sensationalist news item.
 
And I have absolutely no clue how removing all traces of imagery relating to said atrocity is going to prevent similar things from happening again. To me that makes no sense. No sense at all.

Congratulations, your family was oppressed by the communists, well so was mine. Well the half that stayed in Russia anyway. They didn't even completely escape it either as my grandfather was harassed and bullied and his parents were insulted, denied service and worse for being German.

If someone acts upon their feelings of hatred they are punished. But the removal and effective banning of images and speech is high level thought policing which I find to be nearly as saddening as the atrocities those banned images represent, and in my opinion, will most surely lead to similar atrocities being committed in the future.



I love how people cry and whine about how the USA should be more like Germany this and the USA should be more like France that, We should be more like these other Westernized Nations. I have to chuckle. USA IS the west! That's how they got westernized! Well those people are getting their wishes as each passing month sees another right we once had vanish with the flick of a pen or the blaring of a sensationalist news item.

For me, good old USA is still the best country in the world-- even with all its warts and flaws.
 
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This photograph is emblematic of the dominant patriarchy's coercive violence against womyn. In fact, it's nothing less than rape. The photograph should be banned and all male participants should be found guilty, castrated, and then prosecuted.

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Apple has just jumped the shark.
How much more PC can this company become to the point that it starts turning off potential customers?
Are they trying to erase history? I'm Jewish, should I be upset that a Nazi flag is shown during a History Channel program about WWII?
Just ridiculous
 
You got your wish, everyone in that church was unarmed except the killer. You saw what happened in that scenario.

Btw, he would have got a gun regardless of what laws got in the way. Also murder is illegal and he did that too.

Some reading for you:
http://www.livescience.com/27740-gun-laws-deaths-study.html
http://www.livescience.com/1216-homicide-rates-higher-states-guns-home.html

Here's a quote from the first one:

And gun laws and gun deaths were related. The states in the top 25 percent of gun legislation strength had a 42 percent reduction in gun deaths compared with the states in the bottom 25 percent. That number included a 40 percent drop in homicides and a 37 percent drop in suicides.

In absolute terms, the states with the strongest laws had 6.64 fewer deaths per 100,000 residents than the states with the weakest.

Notably, when gun violence was lower, other types of violence did not go up, suggesting people without guns do not kill themselves or others by other means, Fleegler said.​

Another study:

http://news.stanford.edu/news/2014/november/donohue-guns-study-111414.html

"The totality of the evidence based on educated judgments about the best statistical models suggests that right-to-carry laws are associated with substantially higher rates" of aggravated assault, rape, robbery and murder, said Donohue.​

Another one:

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2759797/

Results. After adjustment, individuals in possession of a gun were 4.46 (P < .05) times more likely to be shot in an assault than those not in possession. Among gun assaults where the victim had at least some chance to resist, this adjusted odds ratio increased to 5.45 (P < .05).

Conclusions. On average, guns did not protect those who possessed them from being shot in an assault. Although successful defensive gun uses occur each year, the probability of success may be low for civilian gun users in urban areas. Such users should reconsider their possession of guns or, at least, understand that regular possession necessitates careful safety countermeasures.​

All these are US based studies. That's not even looking at other countries with successful gun control measures that your nation could learn from.
 
Come on, I am all for removing the confederate flag from capitol buildings and the like, but really using it in a Civil War app is not the same thing.

It would be like saying you need to remove the flag from being displayed at a Civil Ware museum, it just doesn't make any sense.

What does make sense is removing it from being used in a present day public manner, such as at capitol buildings.
 
Some reading for you:
http://www.livescience.com/27740-gun-laws-deaths-study.html
http://www.livescience.com/1216-homicide-rates-higher-states-guns-home.html

Here's a quote from the first one:

And gun laws and gun deaths were related. The states in the top 25 percent of gun legislation strength had a 42 percent reduction in gun deaths compared with the states in the bottom 25 percent. That number included a 40 percent drop in homicides and a 37 percent drop in suicides.

In absolute terms, the states with the strongest laws had 6.64 fewer deaths per 100,000 residents than the states with the weakest.

Notably, when gun violence was lower, other types of violence did not go up, suggesting people without guns do not kill themselves or others by other means, Fleegler said.​

Another study:

http://news.stanford.edu/news/2014/november/donohue-guns-study-111414.html

"The totality of the evidence based on educated judgments about the best statistical models suggests that right-to-carry laws are associated with substantially higher rates" of aggravated assault, rape, robbery and murder, said Donohue.​

Another one:

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2759797/

Results. After adjustment, individuals in possession of a gun were 4.46 (P < .05) times more likely to be shot in an assault than those not in possession. Among gun assaults where the victim had at least some chance to resist, this adjusted odds ratio increased to 5.45 (P < .05).

Conclusions. On average, guns did not protect those who possessed them from being shot in an assault. Although successful defensive gun uses occur each year, the probability of success may be low for civilian gun users in urban areas. Such users should reconsider their possession of guns or, at least, understand that regular possession necessitates careful safety countermeasures.​

All these are US based studies. That's not even looking at other countries with successful gun control measures that your nation could learn from.
Umm, try using articles that account for population density and this becomes entirely different. Even aside form that, cities and countries with the strongest antigun legislation have among the highest violent crime rates. While those who require all homeowners to have a gun and to know how to properly use it have the lowest. What is the key here? Knowing how to PROPERLY use a gun.
 



Apple has removed seemingly all Civil War games from the App Store for displaying the Confederate Flag in "offensive and mean-spirited ways," our sister website TouchArcade has learned. Apple has sent a removal letter to affected developers to inform them that their app does not comply with Section 19.1 of the App Store Review Guidelines.MacRumors did a spot check of the App Store and can confirm that Apple has removed dozens of Civil War games depicting the Confederate Flag, which has been at the center of a racial controversy ignited by a Charleston, South Carolina church shooting last week. Most educational or generic Civil War apps remain available on the App Store.

A sampling of the Civil War games removed from the App Store:​

Ultimate General: Gettysburg
AAA American Civil War Cannon Shooter
Civil War: Hidden Mysteries
Civil War The Battle Game
Civil War Defense
Civil War Battle Defense
1861 A Civil War Rebellion
Civil War: 1862
Civil War: 1863

Apple did not immediately respond to request for comment.

All this over an event that was a False Flag / PsyOP? People really are sheep and gullible.
 
Some reading for you:
http://www.livescience.com/27740-gun-laws-deaths-study.html
http://www.livescience.com/1216-homicide-rates-higher-states-guns-home.html


Funny, the DOJ studies show contrary and complete opposite. Where the primary factor in reducing gun related homicides has been directly related to the proliferation of legal gun ownership. Further FBI studies show that there is no evidence of gun control states having less gun crimes but rather the opposite with CA leading all by a huge margin with 1,200 homicides, to Texas's 650 (second highest), then the highest gun crime rate in the NE - NY (450/NJ (250), Chicago (over 500), Detroit, DC , then FLA for the south..etc.. - Look to the FBI study for relevant info, Gun related deaths have dropped over 49% since 1993 till 2011, while gun ownership has soared since then. BTW according to FBI stats, 6 in 10 gun deaths are suicides.

Further studies of self defense with guns, the FBI concluded it estimated at least 10,000 instances where legal gun owners defended themselves, most without firing a shot, most all without being reported on the news, and concluded that the number could easily be over 3 times that amount since
no crime resulted therefore no official report.

*US* studies by colleges or other influenced study groups are pure propaganda.

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