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Are you unaware that stuff that like happens all the time?

http://wnynewsnow.com/2017/10/15/spectrum-cable-set-to-drop-23-channels/
https://deadline.com/2017/11/cbs-dish-network-blackout-no-deal-deadline-passes-1202212967/

Usually it's a dispute over money, but customers' remedies here are exactly the same as they are in those cases, choose a new provider that offers the content you want, or deal with it.
I’m saying if some regional cable operator said MSNBC was biased against Trump so they no longer would carry that station people here would defend it? All I’m seeing is deflection saying MSNBC and Alex Jones aren’t the same.
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It doesn't actually matter under Colorado law. He sold wedding cakes to heterosexuals, thus he can't refuse to sell them to homosexuals. Notice that he never claimed that the customers wanted some sort of design or message that was different from what was offered to anyone else. He just flatly refused to provide any type of wedding cake design to them because it was a gay marriage.
Again a gay person and gay marriage are not the same thing! One is a sexual orientation the other is an event. Just because some people think if you’re against gay marriage that means you hate gays doesn’t make it so.
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Nope. So much wrong here. And this is part of the problem with these discussions: people want to insist all things are the same things.

Alex Jones insisting Sandy Hook was a hoax is not the same as Michelle Wolf making fun of Sarah Sanders for constantly lying.

Samantha Bee calling Ivanka Trump a feckless c-word is not the same as Roseanne Barr calling a black woman an ape.

This is pretty easy stuff to understand and differentiate.
So says you. Your opinions are not fact.
 
Again a gay person and gay marriage are not the same thing! One is a sexual orientation the other is an event. Just because some people think if you’re against gay marriage that means you hate gays doesn’t make it so.

Discrimination laws don't require you to hate anyone, so it doesn't matter what the baker is thinking about the person versus the event. It only matters that he's being discriminatory.
 
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So you are basically saying it’s ok to do something as long as it is “justified “. Killing is wrong, but killing hitler is ok.

As a society we make distinctions like that all the time. The legality of killing has plenty of nuance and even varies from state to state within the US. Self-defense, stand your ground, castle doctrine, law enforcement, assisted suicide, capital punishment, depending on your stance on the issue some would group abortion into that. There are plenty of carve outs for when killing is legally permissible. Killing Hitler could be part of a military action (again legal) or depending on jurisdiction could be covered under some form of defense of self or others.

When it comes to protected speech we've also set limitations but those limitations are held to strict scrutiny. We have libel laws, we have laws against deceptive advertising, we have laws against dangerous speech in the classic Schenk (sp?) opinion (can't yell "fire"). When it comes to political expression though the courts have been very wary of any encroachment. Popular opinions generally don't need protection, they are popular and accepted. It is the minority, the fringe, those that many find objectionable, that most need the first amendment. Alex Jones says repugnant things but he has a right to have his own beliefs and to express them, just as Antifa does, just as any radical Cleric/Imam, just as Westboro Baptist, just as Black Lives Matters, just as pro-life activists, just as ELF, just as... well that's probably enough examples to offend everyone that their preferred group was lumped in with the others :)

The aspect that I think will be heading for SCOTUS soon though is a definition of public square in the digital age (free speech itself is a concept, the first amendment is law; the latter is primarily a limitation on government but can be enforced on private institutions as well if lack of venue would otherwise limit first amendment rights). I could easily see the court ruling that at a certain size internet platforms have to allow protected speech as they have become part of the "public square."
 
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I’m saying if some regional cable operator said MSNBC was biased against Trump so they no longer would carry that station people here would defend it? All I’m seeing is deflection saying MSNBC and Alex Jones aren’t the same.

Sure, it's their right. Their customers might not be too happy and may start looking elsewhere, but that's their right. In this case, Apple users who like Alex Jones are free to let Apple know by no longer using their products.
 
We will have to agree to disagree. Jones is famous for hate speech. It even got brought up in court where he lost custody of his children. Apple doesn't want to support someone known for hate speech on their platform and I can't blame them.
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How many hundreds of people on this site have been removed for remarks unappreciated by the monitor?
 
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Wrong, freedom of speech refers to gov infringement on one's speech. Apple is a private company and can control what goes on their site. Controlling that data does not fall under freedom of speech if they deny access to their services.

No, the *first amendment* refers to the government. The term "free speech" is not in any way whatsoever limited to government action. And, sure, as a private entity and where their private property is concerned, Apple can certainly legally infringe on free speech (and that's what they are engaged in: censorship). But that doesn't absolve them of criticism.
 
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More left wing companies removing freedom of speech
[doublepost=1533553428][/doublepost]Im sorry but now days hate speech is speaking out againt the main stream media, right wing youtubers dont always say hate they just speak the truth but are silenced by the left

If you even use the term "mainstream media", you likely come from a world of misinformation and wouldn't know truth from a hole in the ground anyway.
 
Oh wow just got an alert that Alex Jones YouTube channel was just deleted. Good for them! Like I said in my post earlier this morning, it’s just a matter of time. And now his empire has crumbled. He deserves everything for what he put those Sandy Hook families through. Kudos to Google for forgoing the income from extremist haters. Hopefully this is the beginning of the end for haters online.
 
It would seem that you really don't. You can't just support protected speech when it's convenient. It's the speech that is objectionable to the majority that specifically needs the protection.

Wrong, the first amendment does not protect his right to say what he wants to say on someone else's platform. It prevents the government from stopping him, not private industry and citizens who own the platform he's using.

He's also a conspiracy theorist and slanderer. There are laws against a lot of what he's saying, so that's also not protected. Finally, he's a liar who is duping his followers into hating people...why would you even attempt to defend that?
 
Fair 'nuff. xD I was misremembering something, apparently.
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You have to ask yourself exactly what "hate speech" is. It really is more your perception than it is anything tangible. Thus we can see the problem with such a classification.

That's what judges are for.
 
I think her comments were a poor attempt to fight back against the racist trolls who were attacking her for being an Asian woman. It was a poorly thought out reaction, mostly because she should have realized it wouldn’t help anything. But she was reacting (badly) to very real racism and vitriol being directed at her. So whatever, I can forgive it.

So you fight racism with horribly racist statements? That doesn’t make sense. Anyone who would pursue such a strategy is foolish and has very bad judgment. That is who the NYT hires?

And as pointed out, their forgiveness when it comes to racist statements only extends to people they like.
 
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Southern Poverty Law Center classifying Family Research Council as a hate group and guy shoots it up. All political viewpoints have their crazy people.

********, that is NOTHING like Pizzagate. This a freaking random pizza shop, they make freaking pizza. Family Research Council is at least vocally political and potentially offends the people it discredits. Compared to code words that could equal a child porn dungeon in a pizza shop run by wealthy world leaders? Are you serious right now?
 
Honestly how do you people not understand, THIS IS NOT A FREEDOM OF SPEECH ISSUE. Freedom of speech refers to Gov infringement on one's speech, that's it. It doesnt expand to companies dictating content on their own sites.

Wrong. It *is* a free speech issue. Apple is free to do it and others are free to criticize them for their censorship of free speech.
 
Wrong, the first amendment does not protect his right to say what he wants to say on someone else's platform. It prevents the government from stopping him, not private industry and citizens who own the platform he's using.

He's also a conspiracy theorist and slanderer. There are laws against a lot of what he's saying, so that's also not protected. Finally, he's a liar who is duping his followers into hating people...why would you even attempt to defend that?

Yep. That doesn't absolve them of criticism, of course not. We can talk all day about what Apple should do. But legally, they have a right to do this. The 1st Amendment does not guarantee that speech platforms (like Apple podcasts, Facebook, or Twitter) have to allow all kinds of speech. We can say they should allow such speech for the good of society, but they are not violating anyone's 1st Amendment rights.

Wrong. It *is* a free speech issue. Apple is free to do it and others are free to criticize them for their censorship of free speech.

It's a free speech issue, but it's not a 1st Amendment issue. The 1st Amendment has not been violated here.
 
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Wrong. It *is* a free speech issue. Apple is free to do it and others are free to criticize them for their censorship of free speech.

It's kind of impressive that you could underline how free speech allows criticism of Apple while insisting free speech is being censored...all in the same sentence.

Bravo.
 
Wrong, the first amendment does not protect his right to say what he wants to say on someone else's platform. It prevents the government from stopping him, not private industry and citizens who own the platform he's using.

He didn't reference the "first amendment," he referenced speech. Two distinct concepts.
 
Wrong. It *is* a free speech issue. Apple is free to do it and others are free to criticize them for their censorship of free speech.

Nope, there's no issue there, you're allowed to do that all day but Macrumors could shut you down because your speech here isn't free.
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He didn't reference the "first amendment," he referenced speech. Two distinct concepts.

Oh, he did reference the first amendment. Maybe you need some more context? Stop trying to be difficult.
 
It's kind of impressive that you could underline how free speech allows criticism of Apple while insisting free speech is being censored...all in the same sentence.

Bravo.

This is a silly reply. I am not "insisting" anything, they announced their censorship actions in plain English. The fact that I am free to criticize them on a discussion forum has no bearing on podcast censorship.
 
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Wrong, the first amendment does not protect his right to say what he wants to say on someone else's platform. It prevents the government from stopping him, not private industry and citizens who own the platform he's using.

He's also a conspiracy theorist and slanderer. There are laws against a lot of what he's saying, so that's also not protected. Finally, he's a liar who is duping his followers into hating people...why would you even attempt to defend that?

Please refer to my other posts in this thread as to "public square," the first amendment can and has been applied to privately owned property.

As to why I would defend Alex Jones' free speech? Because free speech is precious and can be eroded by society reacting to extreme examples.

I started my posts in this thread by explaining that I detest that man but I'll restate it now. Regardless of what a repugnant person he is the concept of free speech needs to be defended and the first amendment applied to changing digital landscapes.
 
I applaud AAPL for doing so !

Got wind of it a few days ago ... pissed me off significantly when I heard the story.

Would love to spend an hour in a locked room with the guy ... much more than words !
 
This is a silly reply. I am not "insisting" anything, they announced their censorship actions in plain English. The fact that I am free to criticize them on a discussion forum has no bearing on podcast censorship.

They also censor porn apps on the app store. Your criticism is unwarranted. This guy is a full time liar who is breaking the law and hurting people.
 
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