Apple Removes Five of Six Infowars Podcast Series From iTunes Directory

[thisisnotmyname]

Why, do you say that? It would be the closest thing to a real democracy the world has ever seen.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nosedive

 

[EightyTwenty]

Alex Jones is a vile individual.

I’m a proponent of free speech. In this case though I don’t see how Apple is obligated to provide him a platform, especially when there are other podcast platforms. I think things get a little more dicey with things like YouTube that essentially have a monopoly.

Jones has said a lot of nasty stuff. Apple doesn’t have to put up with it. Jones has made tens of millions peddling his conspiracy theories and snake oils. He can afford to create his own method of distribution.

That's interesting, because all of the tech monopolies, including YouTube, banned him within 12 hours.

Your post directly contradicts your assertion that you are a "free speech proponent" when you cheer for censorship against people you don't like. YouTube, Twitter and Apple are all FILLED with people "who say a lot of nasty stuff". Only difference is they are free to say it on those platforms, while Jones no longer is.

This was a coordinated political attack. We need to be honest when discussing this, regardless of what side you are on. It has nothing to do with TOS. It was coordinated after an MSM campaign to suppress him.

 

[GuruZac]

Liberals are deeply authoritarian and love their censorship. It's what they are and have always been.

We all knew this was coming before the midterm elections. They are shook and need every advantage possible. There will be more purging of conservatives within the next few weeks and months.

Of course anti-white racism and hate speech is perfectly acceptable. Hell, it is promoted as a cultural good by the left. You have an unalloyed virulent racist just promoted to the New York Times editorial board with full privileges on Twitter, Facebook and YouTube (if she chooses).

We are entering dark times, folks. I hope liberals don't regret it too quickly, because it's coming.

The sad part, is for a parent like me, with a wife and 2 young daughters, starting my life over in my mid 30s beginning medical school, and the country is absolutely fractured and there is no conceivable way to amend the vitriol. The NSA partnered with several other agencies across the globe in 2016 and released a report stating that insurrection and civil unrest were not just likely in the US within 10 years, but inevitable. This way before Trump was elected.

The other option is to start breaking the country up into Left and Right ideologies. San Fransisco can act as a wonderful model of where liberal policies will lead. Most liberally controlled states and cities tend to be grossly in debt, high crime, and high tax. No thank you.

TOP 10 LIBERAL MAJOR CITIES (OVER 300,000 POPULATION)
1. Detroit
2. D.C.
3. Oakland
4. San Francisco
5. Cleveland
6. Baltimore
7. Seattle
8. Chicago
9. Philadelphia
10. St. Louis

TOP 10 CONSERVATIVE MAJOR CITIES (OVER 300,000 POPULATION)
1. Colorado Springs
2. Mesa
3. Arlington
4. Oklahoma City
5. Tulsa
6. Wichita
7. Anaheim
8. Jacksonville
9. Omaha
10. Houston

 

[Iconoclysm]

I missed the fine print where the example being requested was limited to locally owned food establishments. The point that was (incorrectly) being made was that mislabeling for political purposes only results in violence on the right. That's what I responded to. And in doing so I also stated that the violent acts are acts of insanity from people on fringes and not representative of right or left.

What I'm saying is Pizzagate was born out of thin air. These people will believe anything they're told. The MASSIVE difference is what it takes to motivate one or the other to violence. Southern Poverty Law isn't a conspiracy platform.

 

[Sora]

I wouldn't equate Alex Jones with Hitler, but even if you did, it's still book burning.

What a monstrous place we've come to when people gleefully shut down views they feel are offensive or even abhorrent. Principles of free speech are meant to protect the most abhorrent views, or else free speech is meaningless.

Very disappointing. Moving on.

I'm no model of rectitude - but speech of public value should be protected - not by a private company - but by the government. In this example - Alex Jones' free speech was not chilled by the government. A private company is not capable of chilling free speech.

Moreover, to equate this to book burning - is a bit misguided. A quick analysis shows the two are not remotely equal.

Censorship does not require regulation nor a government. The fact that it is often practiced by governments does not mean it is solely in the domain of government bureaucrats.

You are absolutely 100% correct.

I took too many leaps forward without dropping bread crumbs to lead the way.

How effective is individual censorship? Say if I censored Alex Jones? How effective is Apple censoring Alex Jones? Now add in Google? Now add in Twitter? Could Alex Jones be found on any other website or platform outside of Google/Apple/Twitter?

Ultimate question. How effective would it be if the entire weight of the United States censored Alex Jones to scrub his existence from this entire country - where his name could not be found on anything at all. Period. Nothing in writing. No books. Not one website. Anything?

Now which is more effective - me censoring Alex Jones or Google or the United States government?

While censorship may not be entirely relegated to government - outside of governmental participation, censorship is believing that if I drank a cup of water from the ocean, I will eventually drink the ocean dry.

 

[webbuzz]

Alex J is a true #deplorable. Well done Apple. Apple is a private business with its guidelines, if you don't like it, use your own platform.

You can't falsely scream FIRE at a crowded cinema. It is very dangerous. Alex J does nothing good for society but spread unfounded and fictitious rumors. Unfortunately there are people who believe such things and as a result, we get pizzagate incidents. Some people are easily manipulated. So these kinds of false preaching should be stopped.

I don't like Alex Jones.

As posted earlier in this thread, some light reading for you.

https://www.theatlantic.com/nationa...g-the-fire-in-a-crowded-theater-quote/264449/

https://www.popehat.com/2012/09/19/...hackneyed-apologia-for-censorship-are-enough/

http://civil-liberties.yoexpert.com...-shout-"fire"-in-a-crowded-theater-19421.html

 

[Iconoclysm]

Liberals are deeply authoritarian and love their censorship. It's what they are and have always been.

We all knew this was coming before the midterm elections. They are shook and need every advantage possible. There will be more purging of conservatives within the next few weeks and months.

Of course anti-white racism and hate speech is perfectly acceptable. Hell, it is promoted as a cultural good by the left. You have an unalloyed virulent racist just promoted to the New York Times editorial board with full privileges on Twitter, Facebook and YouTube (if she chooses).

We are entering dark times, folks. I hope liberals don't regret it too quickly, because it's coming.

See, statements like this are the result of non-stop propaganda from the right. Liberals have far more diverse leanings than the right do, you can see this in the fact that they're almost never on the same page. The right has one giant agenda right now and that is to demonize the left as much as possible.

 

[widgeteer]

But I perceive you as being hateful. I call for you to be banned from the internet. Your logic, not mine.

Okay. When you buy "the internet" you can enact your own rules for content and ban me.

You guys still don't seem to understand a) the rules governing private companies don't give you an entitlement to use their resources as *you* see fit and b) there is a very good reason some speech is labeled "hate speech" and some is not. Pure ideological disagreement isn't a criteria. I know that's what you tell yourself if you align with racists because it makes you feel better, but to quote a t-shirt ya'll seem fond of: "F your feelings."

 

[thisisnotmyname]

What I'm saying is Pizzagate was born out of thin air. These people will believe anything they're told. The MASSIVE difference is what it takes to motivate one or the other to violence. Southern Poverty Law isn't a conspiracy platform.

No they're not a conspiracy platform. They do paint with a very broad brush to label "hate group" though. Regardless, that wasn't the point I was trying to make. I was pointing out that crazy, as well as violent and crazy, doesn't have a political affiliation. The world has nut-jobs that kill people and regardless of whether they feel they are doing so to protect LGTBQ rights, to stop a child abuse syndicate operating out of a pizza parlor, or because their dog told them to, the results are that crazy people hurt and kill others. None of those people deserved to die and all of the people providing influence (except the dog) were inaccurately portraying the victims.

I absolutely accept that there is a order of magnitude between the mischaracterization of SPLC and the lunacy of Alex Jones but again the claim was that violent crazy people are politically aligned and that is demonstrably false.

 

[GuruZac]

This decision had nothing to do with business. It was coordinated between the tech giants. All banned him within a 12 hour span not based on any new content... just because.

It's political and follows political pressure from CNN and other MSM outlets to ban Jones.

It is entirely political and has nothing to do with Jones and sure as hell has nothing to do with "hate speech" or violating TOS.

Linda Sarsour
Shawn King
Louis Farrakham
Antifa
Sara Jeong

All have free and open access to every tech giant platform. Things are about to pop off in a way they haven't since the 1960s. I sincerely hope people are prepared for what they are unleashing.

That sleeping giant again.

 

[Treq]

I have always been a Tim Cook supporter until now. The suppression of free speech/debate is NEVER healthy. And what exactly are the rules for banishment? Vague concepts like "hate speech" which can be morphed into anything a platform owner wants it to be? This is a VERY slippery slope and it is ironic that the left accuses the right of being "fascists" while THEY actively suppress freedom of word and thought. Hypocrites much?
Bad move Tim. Please stay out of politics.

This doesn’t suppress debate. Unless you think nut-job conspiracy peddlers deserve a seat at a serious debate. He can go yell on the street corner if he wants. He doesn’t deserve a platform provided by Apple.

 

[Iconoclysm]

The sad part, is for a parent like me, with a wife and 2 young daughters, starting my life over in my mid 30s beginning medical school, and the country is absolutely fractured and there is no conceivable way to amend the vitriol. The NSA partnered with several other agencies across the globe in 2016 and released a report stating that insurrection and civil unrest were not just likely in the US within 10 years, but inevitable. This way before Trump was elected.

The other option is to start breaking the country up into Left and Right ideologies. San Fransisco can act as a wonderful model of where liberal policies will lead. Most liberally controlled states and cities tend to be grossly in debt, high crime, and high tax. No thank you.

TOP 10 LIBERAL MAJOR CITIES (OVER 300,000 POPULATION)
1. Detroit
2. D.C.
3. Oakland
4. San Francisco
5. Cleveland
6. Baltimore
7. Seattle
8. Chicago
9. Philadelphia
10. St. Louis

TOP 10 CONSERVATIVE MAJOR CITIES (OVER 300,000 POPULATION)
1. Colorado Springs
2. Mesa
3. Arlington
4. Oklahoma City
5. Tulsa
6. Wichita
7. Anaheim
8. Jacksonville
9. Omaha
10. Houston

This is complete nonsense. Whether a city is run by liberals or conservatives means virtually nothing as far as what you're seeing there economically. San Francisco is a capitalist's dream city right now, despite having liberal progressive government. Detroit is the result of an industry collapsing and not due to liberal policies. DC is thriving with a liberal government, but not due to its liberal government. At some point you're going to have to realize that much of what happens in a city is due to who lives there...and this crap right here that you're posting is just divisive political ammo.

 

[Frank Dalton]

Now which is more effective - me censoring Alex Jones or Google or the United States government?

Point taken. This is also why you won’t find me arguing in favor of anyone forcing Apple to do anything. But I still strongly disagree with this particular method of operating their platforms. This isn’t what the internet is supposed to be.
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See, statements like this are the result of non-stop propaganda from the right. Liberals have far more diverse leanings than the right do, you can see this in the fact that they're almost never on the same page.

Kettle, meet pot.

The right has one giant agenda right now and that is to demonize the left as much as possible.

Pot, meet kettle.

 

[Jimmy Bubbles]

That is not the mainstream media narrative, holy hell. This is how you continue to be duped by idiots like this, you're caught in a freaking mind lock where if you don't believe the alternative you must be a sheep...but in reality, you're being a sheep towing the line you're told! How are you missing this point? It's like the alternative music fans in the 90's who hated "mainstream music" because it was for mindless sheep...when in reality, they were being told to hate the mainstream music and doing as they were told (even though alternative was now mainstream).

Still waiting for that link to a video clip showing me that he said this explicitly though...so far you’ve just insulted me. State your case or move on.

 

[Rogifan]

Now we are talking!

Lets discuss the first issue - "how far to take something".
That statement is actually very deep. Capitalism has no ceiling. So a simple answer would be "as far as it can go". Limiting the actions of a private company is only done when it steps on the toes of government. See Facebook and Congress. We still have not seen what actions congress will take to regulate (censor) Facebook and how it interfaces with election advertisements that are purchased on their platform.

Your second "some say it's a good thing Apple removed Jones' podcasts from it's search directory - why aren't these people demanding Google adjust their algorithms......Why don't they demand Twitter shadow ban him?

This is a lot easier question to answer.
What "some people" say is anecdotal. What moves the needle is the people with whom a company does business. This is no shot in the dark. Apple is a liberal company. With strong liberal agendas (ie: equality for all, LGBTQ, #metoo, equal pay, equal employment, minority equity etc. etc. etc.). Apple....correction...all companies have a simple goal. Sell more ****. It does not bode well if the goals of the company (sell more ****), does not align with the people who they are selling to (people who believe in the mission statement of Apple). So, in order for Apple to sell more ****....they align their mission statement with the people whom they sell more **** to...in order to sell more ****.

Twitter and Google have an entirely different business model. Banning Jones may not align with the goals of their company to selling more **** - where **** = advertisement. Or, the people whom Twitter/Google does business with may not care that Google aligns itself (business wise) with Alex Jones.

Competing stake holders are a part of the formula that moves the needle for these companies. To actually find out why a company decides to take a stand in either direction - most often than not - just look at how they make their money, or look at what makes them more money. A company is not in the business of losing money. That company won't be around for long.

Ah so it’s not really about right or wrong but about whether it aligns with someone’s business model or not. Yes I know I’m being a bit facetious. It just seems to me the reason the tech press is behind what Apple and Facebook have done re: Jones is their politics are mostly liberal and Alex Jones clearly is not (though I’d argue he’s not conservative either). This isn’t about right and wrong or principles it’s about having no problem suppressing people/content they don’t agree with. The Verge gave strong support to former contributor Sarah Jeong but we all know if she had made similar comments about people of color she never would have even been working at The Verge much less getting support from them when The NY Times hired her.

 

[widgeteer]

The same could be said of you.



You can call it “bad” if you wish but it is correct. Merriam Webster includes under “censorship”: “1a : the institution, system, or practice of censoring.”

And the verb “to censor” includes: “to examine books, movies, letters, etc., in order to remove things that are considered to be offensive, immoral, harmful to society, etc.”

Apple is clearly engaging in the practice of censoring. Therefore, this is censorship.



Absolutely wrong. I agreed with no such thing. I did not “admit” to “needing” to “deflect” anything. These are things I simply never said.

You are either being deliberately obtuse or you are something far less charitable. I will assume the former.



My arguments are fine. You are being disingenuous and intellectually dishonest. I’m not sure why but it makes you look silly.

I don't care that you want to now lie about your previously admitted terrible analogy. I don't require your assistance in showcasing how poorly chosen your own posted words are.

You are hellbent on taking this subject to where it doesn't go, and wrapping it in a flag of free speech. A lunatic who engages in hatred and foments violence was removed from a company's offerings. That's not a free speech issue. It's a making-humanity-better issue.

 

[EightyTwenty]

He can join up with Stormfront who as I recall in the not so distant past got dropped by their web host.

But where will Sarah Jeong and Louis Farrakhan go?

Oh, that's right. They have full and open access to the platforms of the tech monopolies. Along with Shgawn King, the genocide deniers The Young Turks. One of these hate mongers even has a platform with the New York Times! All are free to spew their hate and racism 24/7.

Good times we are living in.

 

[A.Goldberg]

That's interesting, because all of the tech monopolies, including YouTube, banned him within 12 hours.

Our post directly contradicts your assertion that you are a "free speech proponent" when you cheer for censorship against people you don't like. YouTube, Twitter and Apple are all FILLED with people "who say a lot of nasty stuff". Only difference is they are free to say it on those platforms, while Jones no longer is.

This was a coordinated political attack. We need to be honest when discussing this, regardless of what side you are on. It has nothing to do with TOS. It was coordinated after an MSM campaign to suppress him.

I just noticed that Facebook, YouTube, Spotify, all have banned him as well... which does in a way concern me.

Free speech does not imply having a free platform to speak from. These companies are private entities and can pretty do what they want. While I believe in Free Speech, I also believe private companies have their own rights too and can set their own rules. They just need to enforce them equally.

I’m curious to know if this was a somewhat coordinated plan, or if one decided to ban him and the rest just jumped on the bandwagon.

I suppose my concern is where things become a bit more nuanced. YouTube essentially has a monopoly on what they do. If Apple Podcasts bans someone they have plenty of other similar modes of distribution.

I guess my greatest concern is that banning companies/individuals (ie InfoWars/Alex Jones) creates a slippery slope. Will we see equal consequences for both the right and left - like Louis Farrakhan who professes an aggressive and vile form of antisemitism (not anti-Israeli ideology, but blatant anti-semitism)? Will these bans edge into the more respectful people and sane who hold ideologies these companies don’t ageee with? Things like the NRA, RNC, etc?

It definitely seems time for some clarification to come into play as to what these platforms are, what they’re responsible for, and how so.

 

[Iconoclysm]

This decision had nothing to do with business. It was coordinated between the tech giants. All banned him within a 12 hour span not based on any new content... just because.

It's political and follows political pressure from CNN and other MSM outlets to ban Jones.

It is entirely political and has nothing to do with Jones and sure as hell has nothing to do with "hate speech" or violating TOS.

Linda Sarsour
Shawn King
Louis Farrakham
Antifa
Sara Jeong

All have free and open access to every tech giant platform. Things are about to pop off in a way they haven't since the 1960s. I sincerely hope people are prepared for what they are unleashing.

Actually, it was based on news and awareness. He was given strikes and bans as recent as last week and subverted them on both Facebook and Youtube. This quote was from last week referring to Robert Mueller:

"That's a demon I will take down, or I'll die trying. So that's it. It's going to happen, we're going to walk out in the square, politically, at high noon, and he's going to find out whether he makes a move man, make the move first, and then it's going to happen," Jones said, miming a pistol with his hand.

"It's not a joke. It's not a game. It's the real world. Politically. You're going to get it, or I'm going to die trying, bitch. Get ready. We're going to bang heads. We're going to bang heads."

 

[Sora]

The sad part, is for a parent like me, with a wife and 2 young daughters, starting my life over in my mid 30s beginning medical school, and the country is absolutely fractured and there is no conceivable way to amend the vitriol. The NSA partnered with several other agencies across the globe in 2016 and released a report stating that insurrection and civil unrest were not just likely in the US within 10 years, but inevitable. This way before Trump was elected.

The other option is to start breaking the country up into Left and Right ideologies. San Fransisco can act as a wonderful model of where liberal policies will lead. Most liberally controlled states and cities tend to be grossly in debt, high crime, and high tax. No thank you.

TOP 10 LIBERAL MAJOR CITIES (OVER 300,000 POPULATION)
1. Detroit
2. D.C.
3. Oakland
4. San Francisco
5. Cleveland
6. Baltimore
7. Seattle
8. Chicago
9. Philadelphia
10. St. Louis

TOP 10 CONSERVATIVE MAJOR CITIES (OVER 300,000 POPULATION)
1. Colorado Springs
2. Mesa
3. Arlington
4. Oklahoma City
5. Tulsa
6. Wichita
7. Anaheim
8. Jacksonville
9. Omaha
10. Houston

Welcome to the profession, and congrats! - you are in for a journey.

I quickly glanced at your list - please tell that is Arlington, TX because Arlington, VA is 100% not conservative.

As you progress along in your education - I'm sure you will ultimately understand that humans will find any statistic to support their own innate cognitive biases. It's normal. The ultimate goal, especially for someone entering the field of medicine, is to fight the urge of these confirmation biases and understand why the data exists.

I can rattle off many examples of conservative states/counties/cities that are either crime ridden, grossly in debt or highly taxed - and majority white - that's super scary. But that's easy. What hard is understanding why, and letting that inform my assessment rather that confirming my biases. White or black - poverty cares not for race. Conservative or Liberal, crime and poverty go hand in hand. Conservative or liberal - Americans all share the same dream for themselves and their children - to have a home, raise their kids in a safe environment, and have them lead successful lives.

I challenge you to not let your biases control you. It will serve you well in the profession you have now chosen, and I guarantee you won't miss a diagnoses because you suppressed your bias that the patient you were seeing was only drug seeking.

Best of luck.

 

[widgeteer]

Liberals are deeply authoritarian and love their censorship. It's what they are and have always been.

We all knew this was coming before the midterm elections. They are shook and need every advantage possible.

I think we're all good on that score:

 

[Iconoclysm]

No they're not a conspiracy platform. They do paint with a very broad brush to label "hate group" though. Regardless, that wasn't the point I was trying to make. I was pointing out that crazy, as well as violent and crazy, doesn't have a political affiliation. The world has nut-jobs that kill people and regardless of whether they feel they are doing so to protect LGTBQ rights, to stop a child abuse syndicate operating out of a pizza parlor, or because their dog told them to, the results are that crazy people hurt and kill others. None of those people deserved to die and all of the people providing influence (except the dog) were inaccurately portraying the victims.

I absolutely accept that there is a order of magnitude between the mischaracterization of SPLC and the lunacy of Alex Jones but again the claim was that violent crazy people are politically aligned and that is demonstrably false.

I can agree with that. And if there were left leaning equivalents to Alex Jones I would have no problem with Apple not allowing them to be on their platform.
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Point taken. This is also why you won’t find me arguing in favor of anyone forcing Apple to do anything. But I still strongly disagree with this particular method of operating their platforms. This isn’t what the internet is supposed to be.
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Kettle, meet pot.



Pot, meet kettle.

You are misconstruing what I'm saying if you think I'm doing anything of the equivalent. "Liberals" is in reference to people. "The Right" is in reference to current political strategy.

 

[EightyTwenty]

The sad part, is for a parent like me, with a wife and 2 young daughters, starting my life over in my mid 30s beginning medical school, and the country is absolutely fractured and there is no conceivable way to amend the vitriol. The NSA partnered with several other agencies across the globe in 2016 and released a report stating that insurrection and civil unrest were not just likely in the US within 10 years, but inevitable. This way before Trump was elected.

The other option is to start breaking the country up into Left and Right ideologies. San Fransisco can act as a wonderful model of where liberal policies will lead. Most liberally controlled states and cities tend to be grossly in debt, high crime, and high tax. No thank you.

TOP 10 LIBERAL MAJOR CITIES (OVER 300,000 POPULATION)
1. Detroit
2. D.C.
3. Oakland
4. San Francisco
5. Cleveland
6. Baltimore
7. Seattle
8. Chicago
9. Philadelphia
10. St. Louis

TOP 10 CONSERVATIVE MAJOR CITIES (OVER 300,000 POPULATION)
1. Colorado Springs
2. Mesa
3. Arlington
4. Oklahoma City
5. Tulsa
6. Wichita
7. Anaheim
8. Jacksonville
9. Omaha
10. Houston

There is zero doubt in my mind the US is headed towards civil war. Just today Charlie Kirk and Candace Owens were attacked while minding their own business eating breakfast. They had drinks poured on them and needed police protection to get out of the restaurant unharmed.

So conservatives are being attacked in the streets on a semi-regular basis and now they are being banned from access to any digital platform. The only alternative conservatives have at this point won't be pretty. We are absolutely headed to civil confrontation not seen since the 1960s.

 

[Frank Dalton]

I don't care that you want to now lie about your previously admitted terrible analogy.

What am I lying about? I certainly did not “admit” to any “terrible” analogies, so what am I lying about?

I don't require your assistance in showcasing how poorly chosen your own posted words are.

Since I never chose any words poorly, I certainly can not offer such assistance.

You are hellbent on taking this subject to where it doesn't go, and wrapping it in a flag of free speech.

If I am “hellbent” on anything, it is about having a proper discussion, one that isn’t filled with strawmen, deliberate obtuseness, and intellectual dishonesty.

A lunatic who engages in hatred and foments violence was removed from a company's offerings. That's not a free speech issue.

Of course it’s a free speech issue. Apple is censoring his content. You can agree all you want with that decision and that would at least be an argument predicated on some kind of logic. Instead, you continue to utter that a plain-as-English censorship action is somehow not censorship.

It's a making-humanity-better issue.

Removing your ability to post silly replies on here would also make humanity better. Can we do that next?

 

[Iconoclysm]

I just noticed that Facebook, YouTube, Spotify, all have banned him as well... which does in a way concern me.

Free speech does not imply having a free platform to speak from. These companies are private entities and can pretty do what they want. While I believe in Free Speech, I also believe private companies have their own rights too and can set their own rules. They just need to enforce them equally.

I’m curious to know if this was a somewhat coordinated plan, or if one decided to ban him and the rest just jumped on the bandwagon.

I suppose my concern is where things become a bit more nuanced. YouTube essentially has a monopoly on what they do. If Apple Podcasts bans someone they have plenty of other similar modes of distribution.

I guess my greatest concern is that banning companies/individuals (ie InfoWars/Alex Jones) creates a slippery slope. Will we see equal consequences for both the right and left - like Louis Farrakhan who professes an aggressive and vile form of antisemitism (not anti-Israeli ideology, but blatant anti-semitism)? Will these bans edge into the more respectful people and sane who hold ideologies these companies don’t ageee with? Things like the NRA, RNC, etc?

It definitely seems time for some clarification to come into play as to what these platforms are, what they’re responsible for, and how so.

I would not oppose them starting to ban misinformation like the Flat Earth Theory. It's one thing to talk this crap, it's another thing for these companies to make money off of people talking this crap. That makes those companies liable in my eyes.