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I'm waiting to have someone now sue Epic for not providing a way to sell within that game. If one thing has to be open, they all should.
Sell what exactly? Please dont tell me youre trying to say that fortnight should be allowing anybody to sell whatever they want in the game.

Youre not seriously that dense are you? Right? We’re not about to have that sort of stupid discussion?
 
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Safari web apps are artificially crippled (lacking access to most device APIs, inability to keep persistent cookies/data >1 week) to favor the App Store where Apple can take a cut.

I'm aware, I knew that would come up as soon as I posted it. But the larger point is they're not getting much sympathy from me by trying to intentionally skirt the rules on a flimsy argument. It's one thing to not like Apple's rules and present logical and reasonable arguments to get them to change their mind. To want special treatment or to blatantly skirt the rules is something else entirely. One thing about Apple's rules is that they are applied evenly and fairly from what I've seen. I understand it sounds like a huge cut when you're doing gangbuster business on their platform. But there's ways to protest. I'm not sure what they were hoping to gain with this.
 
How is it wrong when the developers don't have to have their app on iOS device ?
It seems like they want to use apples platform but not pay. And than try to act like its about the consumer

When you develop a program for Windows or Mac OS you do not pay Apple or Microsoft 30% of your business to be able to sell to those users.
The Apple and Google stores are just a mere excuse and a way to MONOPOLIZE, force and rip-off 3rd party developers to give 30% of their businesses to Apple.
All these apps, also help sell the hardware. But Apple never cared about third party developers.
 
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Sell what exactly? Please dont tell me youre trying to say that fortnight should be allowing anybody to sell whatever they want in the game.

Youre not seriously that dense are you? Right? We’re not about to have that sort of stupid discussion?
I'm hoping this is tongue in cheek. This is exactly what they are fighting for within Apple's ecosystem.
 
Apple needs to charge 30% to uber and amazon and Best Buy and whatever you buy through any app to be fair. Or just suck it up and let the apps do whatever they want for payments. Can't have it both ways, just because its digital doesn't make it fair to charge 30%. And Apple pretty much created the 30% number out of nowhere and just because others copied it doesn't make it right. Apple will still make money on the hardware unlike everyone else... They will lose in the courts eventually, especially in Europe. And they are about to lose all of China sales; maybe American companies need to realize the Chinese sales were just extra sales and pull out of the market until China gets over itself.
 
Sell what exactly? Please dont tell me youre trying to say that fortnight should be allowing anybody to sell whatever they want in the game.
The same way Apple has a monopoly on the Apple Store, Epic Games has a monopoly on Epic Games’ Fortnite. As has been mentioned here time and time again, the MOMENT that Apple started selling Apps they had an unfair monopoly on the Apple Store that they created. So too does Epic Games has a monopoly on the store in Fortnite.

The solution is clear, Epic Games needs to be broken up so that anyone can make and sell content in Fortnite. That is the ONLY solution :D
 
If I sell a not so popular consumer product that I want placed in a retail store, they are going to charge me a fee and a premium if i want it to be placed in a heavy foot traffic area.

If I'm a super popular product, same retail store will seek me out and ask me to place my product in their store and will probably give me a deal to convince me to place it in their store as opposed to a competitor's knowing my product will bring increased foot traffic.

Some 3rd party apps make the Apple ecosystem desirable. Apple knows this and will cut a deal to those developers. Apple may even give Epic a deal if they lose customers because Fortnite is no more.
 
The same way Apple has a monopoly on the Apple Store, Epic Games has a monopoly on Epic Games’ Fortnite. As has been mentioned here time and time again, the MOMENT that Apple started selling Apps they had an unfair monopoly on the Apple Store that they created. So too does Epic Games has a monopoly on the store in Fortnite.

The solution is clear, Epic Games needs to be broken up so that anyone can make and sell content in Fortnite. That is the ONLY solution :D
Wtf are you talking about. It’s a video game. You are comparing in games cosmetics to an app distribution platform.

What in the actual **** is wrong with you people around here. I swear to god.
 
This explains why Epic has been on the forefront of squeezing all the revenue they can, now they want to do it themselves.

Basically making the case, developers should list their Unreal engine games on Epic Store to pocket 88% revenues instead of 65% on Steam. By waiving the 5% engine royalty fees and giving them a larger cut. Smart business.

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You should know that Epic makes money off of making exclusive deals with many game publishers. Keeping games off f other PC game stores. They are worse than Apple.
 
Apple will ultimately lose this, especially in Europe. It's very RARE when a game makes the business news pages, but this one did. Talk about a shot heard round the world. Epic will lose very little from this, but this simple battle, which they could undo at any time. Apple could risk losing a war worldwide. The high stakes gamble is all in Timmy's court now and he's a bean counter, fake computer engineer, and not a lawyer.
 
Who says Epic has to rip off customers for $7.99 their price per the screenshot then either? Why is THAT ok to begin with for some tiny visual pack? Why not $3.99? Give Apple their $1.33 and its a whopping $5.33 to consumer. Consumer still wins.

Epic is the one who set the bar so high to begin with that an IAP should be $7.99 somehow.

Choice or not, if you want regulation that gets included. Considering most of these are targeted to young folks who Epic KNOWS will make the bad choice.

Let's not forget how predatory these IAPs actually are in games and who theyre targeted at.
EXACTLY!
 
Can anyone explain why apple gets all the hate for the 30% fee while google gets away without any criticism? Genuinely curious.
 
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No, it’s not tongue in cheek. Youre comparing a video game to an app distribution platform.

you people are bonkers around here I swear to god.
Why can't I compare the two? The same methodology, with one a larger scale. If it's wrong, the scale shouldn't matter. And that game is distributing digital goods at a price. Sounds like a digital store like the app store.
 
Wtf are you talking about. It’s a video game. You are comparing in games cosmetics to an app distribution platform.
I’m comparing a store to a store. If you can buy items, it’s a store, regardless of the UI you wrap around it.

OR, taking your lead, I guess Apple could avoid Epic Games’ ire if they just copy them, build a “game” around the App Store interface where you have an avatar that walks up to a computer that lists all the games for sale. I like the cut of your jib! :)
 
Wtf are you talking about. It’s a video game. You are comparing in games cosmetics to an app distribution platform.

What in the actual **** is wrong with you people around here. I swear to god.

I see what they are saying. How, exactly is it different? I have tons of content in games I don't care about. I should be able to resell content I no longer want. I should be able to make content and sell it on their storefront. If it disrupts their business by flooding their markets with free digital content than so be it. It's not like I am saying I want to steal their game like it's PUBG.
 
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Epic should check out Etsy and their various fees and auto buy in to advertising and charging you for it. Sadly Amazon handmade isn’t so great in the behind the scenes area either.
 
This is absolutely crazy talk. That's like if Nintendo allowed Sega to add payed DLC to Animal Crossing. Wtf

Epic's argument is exactly this. They want a say in how other stores are run. Maybe they should demonstrate it's a viable business model first.
 
the problem isn’t that the App Store exists and takes 30%. The problem is that there is NO other way to get your app on an iOS device other than to go through the app those, and thus, pay 30%. It’s a expensive toll both with only one bridge into town...pay up or you can’t enter.

Can you imagine if Microsoft had done this for windows back in the 90s? All apps had to be sold through Microsoft and they took a cut? They would have been ripped to pieces by The courts AND developers. I’m honestly surprised that Apple has been able to get away with it for so long. Glad to see that someone has the balls to stand up to them.
Don’t forget the distribution and related costs associated back in 90’s..
 
Sooooo, perhaps Apple then treats Epic favorably and only ask for them to pay 10% fee to be on appstore because they are so successful; only for Apple to be accused of unfair treatment of some developers. (Wait, aren't they already accused of that, too? Successful companies just can't enjoy their spoils of war, I guess. They just have to be punished, apparently.)
No they simply allow alternative app stores
 
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