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Apple Removes Fortnite From App Store [Update: Epic Files Lawsuit Against Apple]

I think people need to be very careful what they wish for, if you think that if these developers are allowed to sell their iOS app else where and still stay on the apple App Store you are very mistaken, they will sell on one App Store that charges the smallest %, they will not pass this saving on to you the consumer they will simply make more profit. You the consumer who asked for and demanded this will still be paying the same price for you apps, but will now have you CC details stored with 10 or more different companies who could have a hack or data leak at anytime and have no one interested in making sure you apps are fit for purpose or secure and you wont have apple giving you your money back.

All you will have done is screw the sensible people who knew they was on to a good thing as a consumer of the apple App Store and either limited the number of app available to us or forced us also to share our cc details with 10+ companies.

I hope you are all happy when you turn iOS into android, this is why we cant have nice things
 
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jonblatho said:
I don't view any display as worth $5,000 for my needs. I also don't view digital costumes or dance moves as worth $9. That's why I don't buy either one; that doesn't mean they shouldn't exist for those who want them.
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Sure, but Apple sells plenty of other hardware for way less. Fortnite sells $9 costumes and dance moves.
 
This is funny to me as my 8-year-old just yesterday started asking to play the game. Of course I said no but he sees his older cousins play and think it’s OK.

Not sure what the end game is for Epic but this could backfire longterm. Can’t see Apple letting them add new content.

Props for the video though — Hilarious stuff. They’ve been planning this publicity stunt for awhile.
 
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The reality is probably this.

The US government took aim at WeChat and TikTok.

So the Chinese government and Tencent use Epic Games as a proxy attack against the biggest American company.

The same way they are using kids brainwashed with communism as a proxy attack to riot in American cities because China wasn’t happy with pro-American Hong Kongers.
 
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jetrois said:
that’s all rolled into the height device cost
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No its not and if it was the price would be even higher nd you would be on the forum moaning about, Apple is about to stop making so much money because you want them to
 
Great, now there needs for someone with the guts to file a lawsuit against Epic Games for their online gambling mechanics.

And if anyone thinks that 30% is too much for Apple to charge, I have a bit of news. Everyone who has this type of online stores, they all charge 30% (Apple, Google, Amazon, Microsoft. Why? It is the money expenses of running the store and their respective servers and all that entails to running such a store, including employees).
 
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JM said:
Okay, correct. Maybe the court of law will decide that a 30% cut of app sales is too much for a juggernaut like Apple, but there's nothing wrong or anti-competitive for Apple to collect a fee for distributing apps on their platform.
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The anti competitive part is that they are only doing this to some types of apps, they're not doing it for their own apps, and they don't allow developers any other choice. Its their way or the highway.
m11rphy said:
I think people need to be very careful what they wish for, if you think that if these developers are allowed to sell their iOS app else where and still stay on the apple App Store you are very mistaken, they will sell on one App Store that charges the smallest %, they will not pass this saving on to you the consumer they will simply make more profit. You the consumer who asked for and demanded this will still be paying the same price for you apps, but will now have you CC details stored with 10 or more different companies who could have a hack or data leak at anytime and have no one interested in making sure you apps are fit for purpose or secure and you wont have apple giving you your money back.

All you will have done is screw the sensible people who knew they was on to a good thing as a consumer of the apple App Store and either limited the number of app available to us or forced us also to share our cc details with 10+ companies.

I hope you are all happy when you turn iOS into android, this is why we cant have nice things
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This is a good point. I think the happy alternative is that Apple requires "Pay with Apple" right next to the other options like they did with "Sign in with Apple." Apple requires this to keep consumers safe, and whoever you are can do.

This doesn't apply to the Microsoft xCloud problem though. So stupid apple is blocking their app
 
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destroyer2012 said:
The anti competitive part is that they are only doing this to some types of apps, they're not doing it for their own apps, and they don't allow developers any other choice. Its their way or the highway.

This is a good point. I think the happy alternative is that Apple requires "Pay with Apple" right next to the other options like they did with "Sign in with Apple." Apple requires this to keep consumers safe, and whoever you are can do.

This doesn't apply to the Microsoft xCloud problem though. So stupid apple is blocking their app
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now thats a sound agreement! best of both worlds
 
sigsegv said:
Explain it any way you like, but Apple gets 30% of my spend and neither me nor the vendor have any say in the matter. The developer never sees that 30%; Apple takes it from my payment. How can it be that the developer is just "deciding" to pass it on?
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Reading the article, Epic says that they are "passing on the saving to the consumer" by offering their own payment system: getting 1000 VR (whatever) credits for 6.99 instead of 9.99.

Epic is being disingenuous. Epic could just eat that 30% and offer you/us 1000VR credits for 6.99 (like they should do for the privelege of offering their game on Apple's platform).

Hope that made sense... I'm starting to get mentally tired with arguing 😂

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TiggrToo said:
Epic got $1.8bn last year in revenue from Firtnite last year.

You want to talk about greed again?
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You do realize Epic reaped $1.8bn in 2019 from Fortnite? They’re no angels.
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What? What are you talking about? So getting revenue from your successful app is greedy to you? Lol
 
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I hope Epic looses this. If Apple are forced to allow developers to use their own external payment methods it won’t be long before some scammer app developer makes a game or app that requires a purchase that will then hijack the poor players credit card details via a dodgy payment system.

Likewise Apple’s payment system also ties into the parental controls of a family account and allows me to remote authorise any in app purchases my child might want to make, and block those I don’t want her to have. If a credit card is stored in an apps payment system that bypasses the parental controls then that protection is no longer there and a child is free to hammer the in app purchase button like crazy.

Also Apple’s payment system allows for prompt refunds if something goes wrong, a guarantee that you wouldn’t likely get with a developers own payment system.

I don’t agree with all of Apple’s policies though, game streaming services should be allowed as the apps aren’t actually running on the device and it’s just a video stream that you interact with.
 
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ArPe said:
The reality is probably this.

The US government took aim at WeChat and TikTok.

So the Chinese government and Tencent use Epic Games as a proxy attack against the biggest American company.

The same way they are using kids brainwashed with communism as a proxy attack to riot in American cities because China wasn’t happy with pro-American Hong Kongers.
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This is some deep state level conspiracy take on this....wow...
 
I’m not a fan of how Epic does business on Fortnite; it’s crude and has developed, like many others, the ‘gotta buy this, buy that’ to win model. Even from a control standpoint, the current setup is preferable; especially for micro transactions.

Subscriptions are very different, but I will save that for another day 😁
 
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destroyer2012 said:
The anti competitive part is that they are only doing this to some types of apps, they're not doing it for their own apps, and they don't allow developers any other choice. Its their way or the highway.

This is a good point. I think the happy alternative is that Apple requires "Pay with Apple" right next to the other options like they did with "Sign in with Apple." Apple requires this to keep consumers safe, and whoever you are can do.

This doesn't apply to the Microsoft xCloud problem though. So stupid apple is blocking their app
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In that case should Walmart be forced to accept Apple Pay are well as their own mobile payment app? Walmart purposely turn offed contact payments on their checkouts to stop you using mobile payments other than their own. Should apple sue Walmart?
 
Nozuka said:
I'm not sure that this will help Apple's current App Store lawsuits...
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Nope, it only shows how broken it is now. During the Anti-Trust hearing about two weeks ago the question was asked if Apple could restrict an application from the store if they wanted to. Well they did, hopefully we see some positive change to the App Store.
 
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destroyer2012 said:
The anti competitive part is that they are only doing this to some types of apps, they're not doing it for their own apps, and they don't allow developers any other choice. Its their way or the highway.
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Sooooo, perhaps Apple then treats Epic favorably and only ask for them to pay 10% fee to be on appstore because they are so successful; only for Apple to be accused of unfair treatment of some developers. (Wait, aren't they already accused of that, too? Successful companies just can't enjoy their spoils of war, I guess. They just have to be punished, apparently.)
 
The lawsuit isn't about Fortnight. It's about the Epic's own app store.

If you read the complaint, Epic is seeking to open their own app store on iOS and iPadOS devices called Epic Games Store. They are claiming that since Apple rejected this, they are being anti-competitive.

"Apple has enforced these restrictions against Epic. Epic approached Apple to request that Apple allow Epic to offer its Epic Games Store to Apple’s iOS users through the App Store and direct installation. Apple’s response was an unequivocal “no”." (page 22)

Today's stunt was undeniably staged, particularly since it coincides with Epic's offering of Troy: Total War (an Epic Games Store exclusive) free of charge for today only to help promote their nascent platform and Macs and PCs.

However, this doesn't detract from the idea that Apple is (quite clearly) violating the Sherman Anti-Trust Act of 1890, which Apple willingly subjected themselves to by creating and operating a marketplace. They've likely been in violation for the past 10 years, but nobody had the resources to mount a legal challenge. Just like the Browser Wars of the 1990s, the courts will likely give Apple the same options it gave Microsoft: Apples can remove themselves from the situation by shutting down the App Store and removing all third party apps from iOS and iPadOS, or they can allow alternative marketplaces and payment processes to exist on iOS and iPadOS to comply with the law. Simply put, if Apple doesn't want to play by the rules, it should exit the US market and enter new markets where US laws don't apply.
 
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GermanSuplex said:
Stupid on Epic’s behalf. Cheating or skirting the rules. I truly don’t get what the big deal is about Apple’s platform. Seems fair to me. If you hate it that much, create a way for it to run on Safari, abide by the rules and have people make purchases on your website, or use other platforms.
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Safari web apps are artificially crippled (lacking access to most device APIs, inability to keep persistent cookies/data >1 week) to favor the App Store where Apple can take a cut.
 
m11rphy said:
In that case should Walmart be forced to accept Apple Pay are well as their own mobile payment app? Walmart purposely turn offed contact payments on their checkouts to stop you using mobile payments other than their own. Should apple sue Walmart?
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And that’s the reason I don’t shop at Walmart... not a reason to sue but if Walmart stopped me from shopping elsewhere would be a problem that’s the problem here Apple will have to let other stores open goggle got hit similarly a few years ago
 
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