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Just because you think it is fine, you do not represent people that go places where eSim is not an option.

Go check reddit, many people like me that go places where eSim service is ONLY offered on a post paid contract, so bringing an iPhone 14 there makes it the nicest iPod Touch you ever had, unless you can somehow quality for a 1 or 2 year commitment with a carrier to use the device for the few weeks you might be there,

So no, do not assume that things are just fine because you won't be effected by this.
Can I ask where you are located? There's eSIM prepaid support all over Europe, South America, Africa. Just download apps like Airalo. They have plenty of options for travelers
 
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It will be interesting to see how T-Mobile US will transfer the physical SIM information on my iPhone 12 to an iPhone 14/14 Pro model. Will I have to do it at a T-Mobile store or at an Apple Store?
You can do this yourself by logging into your T-mobile account online.
 
Actually, according to my T-Mobile One plan, you get 5GB of high-speed data overseas before it slows down. I just noticed that change a few days ago. Before that, data was always slow overseas unless you upgraded.

Yeah they added 5GB not too long back, versus just slow internet, and you'll get 5G if it's available. Adding even more argument against why even pay for a SIM change at-all.
 
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The answer to this seeming predicament of course is to simply hold onto your iPhone 13s or earlier until eSIM reaches enough adoption for you to safely acquire future iPhones. That’s it. End of thread.
eSIM is already everywhere. Download apps like airalo. They offer prepaid eSIMS from places all over the world.
 
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It will be interesting to see how T-Mobile US will transfer the physical SIM information on my iPhone 12 to an iPhone 14/14 Pro model. Will I have to do it at a T-Mobile store or at an Apple Store?
With my 12 I moved from my physical SIM to the eSIM in the phone with an online chat. I just had to give them some details from my Settings (I think it may have been the EID number?). If you buy through T-mobile or Apple I'm sure there will be an automated migration process. What's even cooler is that when I upgraded from my 12 to my 13 mini, I just did the automated migration where you point the new phone's camera at the swirling pattern on the old phone and they pair and transfer everything...during that process it asked if I wanted to move the eSIM to my new phone.

I think people are overly afraid of this change. Even for international travel....Apple knows what it's doing and I'm sure they know this is a way to push international carriers into adopting eSIM more quickly. You think those carriers don't want to be able to cater to US iPhone users when they show up? I'll bet eSIM becomes standard quickly....just like Apple pushed nano SIM support years ago.
 
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You can store eight or more eSIMS, but only two can be active at the same time.


Yeah the dual-SIM is nice if you have say an iPhone plan offered by your employer, but maybe you still want to keep your personal number, so you can have both your business plan and a personal plan on the active dual SIM, even with different carriers. It was a great add with XS.
 
eSIM is already everywhere. Download apps like airalo. They offer prepaid eSIMS from places all over the world.
Have you used Arialo in Europe? How is it? I was thinking about traveling to Europe next spring and while I may stick to my T-Mobile global roaming plan which includes 5GB of high-speed data overseas, I may use Arialo as a backup if 5GB isn’t enough.
 
Can I ask where you are located? There's eSIM prepaid support all over Europe, South America, Africa. Just download apps like Airalo. They have plenty of options for travelers
How do I get a phone number with Airalo? How do travelers make and receive phone calls to/from local numbers?
 
Absolutely ridiculous. What if an American wants to travel to Indonesia and get a local sim?!

What if an Apple exec has to travel and gets a 1 week local travel sim for data

How is this practical, when you have to travel, and the world has not converted yet?! Smh
Well, I'm a native Indonesian and I may late to this comments party. But I'm gladly here to tell you that we have an operator providing eSIM if you're travelling here. Have a look at our local provider webpage.
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Have you used Arialo in Europe? How is it? I was thinking about traveling to Europe next spring and while I may stick to my T-Mobile global roaming plan which includes 5GB of high-speed data overseas, I may use Arialo as a backup if 5GB isn’t enough.
Get a local SIM. I was in Germany last month and decided to get a Telekom.de prepaid SIM. I paid 99 EUR for unlimited everything in Germany and up to 68 GB in the EU and Switzerland. I was able to switch the physical SIM to an eSIM too despite being a prepaid plan. It was an amazing experience. In Germany I was getting 250 Mbps to 1 Gbps with a latency of 35 ms approx.
 
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AT LEAST they had the common sense to still provide a sim tray in Europe.
I wouldn't have minded switching for a full eSIM setup if I was in the US...
But where I live my carrier still doesn't support the technology (rumoured to do so in the near future).
I was very afraid they'd release the phone without a sim tray here as well.
 
I was about to order iPhone 14 pro max, new Watch and Airpods Pro. Now without a physical slot I do not order any of them. I travel a lot.
May be you have different opinion, but for me Apple is over. i switch to Galaxy S23 , hope they in Samsung have brain not to follow Apple.
Samsung will do what it always does.
It'll mock Apple with a few cringey commercials, only to follow its steps next year with their new flagship phone.
 
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Apple has a pretty long list of eSIM carriers.....not that I support the decision LOL
 
So how would this work if I have T-Mobile now on an iPhone 13 Pro with a physical SIM?

Do I buy the T-Mobile version fo the 14 Pro or the generic one? I am post-paid and no contract so I have always bought the "no carrier" model in the past and just swapped SIMs

Can I move from the physical SIM to an eSIM in the new phone without having to go through the nightmare of direct T-Mobile involvement (i.e. call them or go to a store)?

It used to be so simple to just swap SIMs into the new phone, this seems like a real step back.
I would contact T-mobile now and have them move your service to the eSIM that is inside your 13 Pro. (Yes you already have an eSIM inside your current phone). You can do this over chat.

Then when you get your 14 from wherever....be it a T-mobile or any "no-carrier" iPhone, you simply bring the new phone near your old one and confirm that you want to move all your information over. As it is migrating, it will ask if you want to migrate your eSIM as well. Click yes and magically your new phone works! It's really way less of a hassle than you and everyone else here is envisioning!
 
R U referencing XfinityMobile? If so, it NOW supports eSim.
Xfinity Mobile says it supports eSim.
But when I brought in my 13 Pro for account issues, the manager of the Xfinity store said that they were seeing issues with the eSim for many iPhone 13 models. Those issues disappeared when they used the physical sim cards.
Give the carriers some time to work out any eSim issues with their systems.
 
Where are you seeing that? I just got off the phone with someone at Xfinity Mobile and she said that she knows eSIM is coming and sees an article from yesterday about it becoming available but no info on her end on how to switch to eSIM.
how-to-activate-phone I was an early adopter of Xfinity Mobile and suffered many growing pains over the years. I recently gave up on them and switched to US mobile a few months ago.
 
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Get a local SIM. I was in Germany last month and decided to get a Telekom.de prepaid SIM. I paid 99 EUR for unlimited everything in Germany and up to 68 GB in the EU and Switzerland. I was able to switch the physical SIM to an eSIM too despite being a prepaid plan. It was an amazing experience. In Germany I was getting 250 Mbps to 1 Gbps with a latency of 35 ms approx.
I think that’s more than I need at a price I don’t need. TBH, when I used T-Mobile eight years ago in Germany which used Telekom’s network, it was slow but definitely usable for email, text messages, social media and even Google maps which only took a few extra seconds to load. Now, with 5GB high-speed data at LTE or 5G depending on availability recently added to their overseas data plan, it’s better. If necessary, there are cheaper eSim plans to be had if I need a backup plan.
 
Oh jeez, I just found out how to get a SIM card and use it while traveling to Singapore. Anybody know if I can get a eSIM from Singtel as a traveler?
 
Samsung will do what it always does.
It'll mock Apple with a few cringey commercials, only to follow its steps next year with their new flagship phone.
Both Apple and Samsung use each other as a guide for future products, features, services and streamlining for improved efficiency/lower costs. A decade from now, SIM cards will be seen in the same light as optical media is seen today, maybe even sooner.
 
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Absolutely ridiculous. What if an American wants to travel to Indonesia and get a local sim?!

What if an Apple exec has to travel and gets a 1 week local travel sim for data

How is this practical, when you have to travel, and the world has not converted yet?! Smh
Well, don't buy a new iPhone until the local carriers support it or buy an international version. Most world travelers actually think theses things through before jumping on a plane.
 
Here’s a question? I live in the UK, but I’m in the US for a month atm..

$1099 plus tax or £1199!
It’s a no brainier to get the phone whilst I’m here, on my Chase Card; I can get it for £1010. Nearly £200 cheaper.

But -
with US phones being eSIM only? Surely I can then set it up, here in the US, on my o2 account? (Prepared to move to a carrier that supports it because I’m SIM only anyway)
 
Absolutely ridiculous. What if an American wants to travel to Indonesia and get a local sim?!

What if an Apple exec has to travel and gets a 1 week local travel sim for data

How is this practical, when you have to travel, and the world has not converted yet?! Smh
I think the age of needing a local SIM is getting smaller and smaller. Personally, I travel a lot, and I use a VoIP company for a local number. (Instead of dual SIM/eSIM).

Someone has to push the boundaries; and is this case it’s iPhone 14. I also think people that travel will have already thought things like this out beforehand.
 
Oh jeez, I just found out how to get a SIM card and use it while traveling to Singapore. Anybody know if I can get a eSIM from Singtel as a traveler?
The only eSIM I know of is the M1 Prepaid Tourist SIM, which is good for 7 days. My problem is that I go to Singapore for 6 weeks at a time and have always purchased a physical prepaid SIM. Now I don't know what to do. I don't even think you can top up the tourist SIM, so I would have to go to the store every week to buy a new one.
 
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