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Last week, I took into two genius bars . . . both stated it was a 2 to 3 week wait period due to high demand. I did not leave the computer, but given things are getting unbearable, will soon be forced to send in for the 4 repair.

The ports not working properly, the battery drain on sleep, I can deal with. However, the keyboard is driving me, and our team up the wall. Hence the Carbon and XPS's now in the house.
 
the battery drain on sleep,
This is what bugs me, I think Apple embraced the mentally that what's good for an iPad/iPhone, is good for a Mac and instant on like the iPad is awesome so it will be even more awesomer on a Mac. Its not when I don't want my Mac to wake up, from sleep or even power on if I open the lid or hit a key. Off means off, and sleep should only be sipping from the battery, not gulping
 
I would have preferred to have the MBP 13” & AppleCare+ Over the Lenovo.

The Apple stores are overrun by iOS users these days. Typical stores have very limited OSX repair staff on hand due to this being the reality of things.

Unfortunately, it seems that Apple like most other companies now routinely fight repairs and place the blame back on the consumer with any claim they can. (Water damage, Non authorized cables and or chargers, Etc)

Pricing and premium was part of the security and trust between Apple and their consumers.

This is what irritates me most about what they have become.

Apple was the company I could go to for help. They treated the customer as if they were right and golden.

Here’s one example...

Does anyone here remember getting a $200 credit for the first iPhone? This was done because they needed to be more competitive with pricing due to slower than expected sales. Ask yourself, would this Apple do this today? Apple giving back to every adopter the credit because of their miscalculation?

These days are gone and those of us long term users that have seen the change have become completely turned off.

All this being said, I would still have preferred the 13” MBP but I needed something today.

Kennel Panics
Throttling (Just patches not fixed) See Bootcamp as the example.
Pricing
And most of all....
Arrogance!

These things need to be addressed immediately.

I’m sure I will have another MBP or Apple laptop soon enough.

As for today...

No sale Apple!

"Typical stores have very limited OSX repair staff on hand due to this being the reality of things."

I did not consider this.
 
The Apple stores are overrun by iOS users these days. Typical stores have very limited OSX repair staff on hand due to this being the reality of things.
Excellent point and it makes so much sense. Why hire (or train) a legion of technicians to repair Macs when volume wise, support is heavily slanted towards iOs devices. This may be why I had to wait 3 weeks (some of it was due to part availability) for a battery replacement.

did not consider this.
Nor did I eye, but now that its been said, I feel like the scales fell of my eyes I see how things are :eek:

:)
 
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"Last week, I took into two genius bars . . . both stated it was a 2 to 3 week wait period due to high demand. I did not leave the computer"

So much for those who say that the design problems with recent MBPro's affect "only a small number of machines".... :(
 
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LONG gone are the days where you could drop a mac off and have it fixed the same day or within 2 days, even with an appointment. What gets me is opening up a support case telling them what repairs you need, make an appointment for said issue, and then they tell you at that appointment they don’t have the parts or need to order it (especially batteries). What a huge waste of time the repair process has become.

Literally the only reason many people adopted Mac products was the plethora of quick service centers, support, and customer service. All of which have gone downhill AppleCare or not. Sad that I would rather take my products to the authorized service center near me rather than the “Genius Bar” because they actually know what they’re doing and don’t jerk you around. Glad to see Lenovo and dell (among others) offer comparable if not better service plans even with in home repair.
 
LONG gone are the days where you could drop a mac off and have it fixed the same day or within 2 days, even with an appointment. What gets me is opening up a support case telling them what repairs you need, make an appointment for said issue, and then they tell you at that appointment they don’t have the parts or need to order it (especially batteries). What a huge waste of time the repair process has become.

Literally the only reason many people adopted Mac products was the plethora of quick service centers, support, and customer service. All of which have gone downhill AppleCare or not. Sad that I would rather take my products to the authorized service center near me rather than the “Genius Bar” because they actually know what they’re doing and don’t jerk you around. Glad to see Lenovo and dell (among others) offer comparable if not better service plans even with in home repair.
I agree that Apple does have much longer repair times compared to other manufacturers, such as Lenovo and Dell, but given the volume of products the Genius Bar has to repair, and the fact that they (Apple) actually have dedicated stores for just their products, makes it not surprising that there are long wait times.

I mean you can’t conpare the repair times from years past, as Apple’s consumer base has grown so much since then, and that impacts the ability for them to stock all the parts and have enough people to complete work on a quick turn around.

Also, I kindly disagree that the only reason people switched to Mac was because of quick service, customer service and good support. In fact it was the opposite. It was the fact that their equipment “just worked” and there was no need for large groups of people had to contact customer support. Also many people switched because of the ecosystem that Apple built of all their devices, as well as the security of their privacy using a Mac (no hacks or viruses).

So in summary, I don’t know if it it’s fair to Apple to compare the service of yesterday to today. Could today’s service be better, sure, but there are a lot of legitimate reasons Apple’s service times have changed over the years.
 
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LONG gone are the days where you could drop a mac off and have it fixed the same day or within 2 days, even with an appointment. What gets me is opening up a support case telling them what repairs you need, make an appointment for said issue, and then they tell you at that appointment they don’t have the parts or need to order it (especially batteries). What a huge waste of time the repair process has become.

Literally the only reason many people adopted Mac products was the plethora of quick service centers, support, and customer service. All of which have gone downhill AppleCare or not. Sad that I would rather take my products to the authorized service center near me rather than the “Genius Bar” because they actually know what they’re doing and don’t jerk you around. Glad to see Lenovo and dell (among others) offer comparable if not better service plans even with in home repair.

You raise a very good point, one I have often wondered about. If they are aware of the issues due to the fact you describe the issue online when you make a reservation, why does Apple NOT reserve/order the parts. In my case, I often attached a sound file, video, etc. AND I often know what is the issue....
 
"Last week, I took into two genius bars . . . both stated it was a 2 to 3 week wait period due to high demand. I did not leave the computer"

So much for those who say that the design problems with recent MBPro's affect "only a small number of machines".... :(
And Apple will not dedicate resources to help repair times for people that bought faulty machines
 
I have an old 2009 MBP which runs flawlessly (albeit slowly, and on an older OS). Even the battery is only at ~85% of max capacity.

My 2017 MBP developed keyboard issues within a month.

I think this sums up modern Apple quite well.
 
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Of course any manufacturer is going to try and push back at first, as they are in the business of making money. They are not going to want to give handouts or free repairs until it is proven they are at fault in their design of their product.

I agree and fully understand that Apple is a business trying hard to turn a profit.

It's the attitude that has changed across the board.

For many years, Apple took time to listen and not challenge the customers/end users when taking products in for repair. (Within reason of course) - May be where I was trained and conditioned by Apple to wear rose colored glasses.

This was the beauty and piece of mind when purchasing an Apple Computer. I knew if I had a valid complaint or issue, more times than not it would be corrected with little resistance.

The iPhone changed everything for Apple and how they treat their OSX consumers. As a trillion dollar company, they have no reason to treat their customers as they did once upon a time.

Everything is now treated as disposable or full replacement by design. (Logic board, screen or whole unit) I'm sure this has something to do with their stance now.

I'm not here challenging anything you stated.

This is more of a reminiscing and mourning/grieving post than anything else.
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Also, I kindly disagree that the only reason people switched to Mac was because of quick service, customer service and good support. In fact it was the opposite. It was the fact that their equipment “just worked” and there was no need for large groups of people had to contact customer support. Also many people switched because of the ecosystem that Apple built of all their devices, as well as the security of their privacy using a Mac (no hacks or viruses).]

All of the points you bring up are valid.

Although, I will have to humbly disagree on the point below.

"I kindly disagree that the only reason people switched to Mac was because of quick service, customer service and good support."

When Mac/OSX actually started gaining traction/interest (2005 Intel Transition), these points were heavily part of the switching decision process.

Long term Windows users were just coming away from the fiasco that was Windows ME and Vista. Microsoft had zero presence in retail and or consumer care. Users were tired of buying a brown box and not having anything to grasp onto when the computer went down except the dodgy OEM's and retailers.

Switching was very scary for most. Apple killed their user base with kindness and respect when walking through their doors. This instilled confidence in the customer. In turn, their customer gave Apple their trust, loyalty and great word of mouth.

I can't be the only one here that remembers these days. Yes, the past is the past. Noted.

The Apple Store is not a fun place to visit or kill time in like it once was. I cringe on having to visit the store due to is 100+ occupancy rate at any given time.

These are things that old timers like me need to get past.

This last lines for me, but I feel I need to write it out in black and white.

It's over, get past it and it will never be the same again.
 
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Sad that I would rather take my products to the authorized service center near me rather than the “Genius Bar” because they actually know what they’re doing and don’t jerk you around.

Boy no kidding. The worst part of the Genius Bar has become how argumentative and defensive they can be in holding up the company line, especially in the face of some customers who know full well the issue and don't appreciate having to "fight" to get something fixed how it should be.
 
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