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Apple Reportedly Cuts iPhone XS and iPhone XR Production Orders Amid Lower-Than-Expected Demand
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The main point is the reduction in size, not price. (The price was a parenthetical phrase.)
Don’t buy Apple products if you can’t afford Apple products.
Nobody is forcing you to “get ripped off”. You think the grass is greener elsewhere? go there then. Oh that garden isn’t as nice? Then you gotta pay to play.
Apple isn’t a charity and you’re not qualified to tell Apple jack squat just because you can’t or don’t want to pay their prices.
Smartphone market is plateauing and the hike in pricing is becoming ridiculous. That and Android has effectively caught up and even exceeded iOS in some cases.
There's little incentive for regular John Doe to upgrade. Only techies and those with disposable incomes would care about Face ID/Animoji. Otherwise iPhone 6-8 works fine.
There's little incentive for regular John Doe to upgrade. Only techies and those with disposable incomes would care about Face ID/Animoji. Otherwise iPhone 6-8 works fine.
The point is that it seems a lot of people would like the option to buy a smaller phone that's current. It's also about the cost, but only in that prices seem high across the board.
Apple's Black Friday deals are still expensive. Apple needs to take off those Cook glasses and have a look what the competition is offering and for what prices. Okay they may add a bit on the price, but it's not acceptable that they're getting twice to three times as pricey for even older tech.
I'm just glad that, if this is true, people are voting with their wallets. Get rid of Cook and put someone in with vision, not a shareholder shill. I'll be with the others who will reevaluate getting an iPhone when I have to upgrade again.
Bingo. My SE is due to be upgraded, but nothing I can upgrade to at this point in time.
That doesn’t explain why the iPhone X was the best selling smart phone of last year in the entire world.
I think you're all seeing this wrong. The rise and fall of demand for iPhone parts is of absolutely no significance to Apple. Parts orders are more complex than simple raw demand for the end product. And Apple's pricing is just fine. All the arguments that Apple's doomed because it can't maintain sales at its current premium pricing are merely wishing thinking and ignore the enormous cushion of cash and profit margin that allows Apple to tweak its retail parameters anyway it likes. It's not hurting Apple any that most of the complaints seem to be coming from people who feel its essential to upgrade perfectly good equipment every time there's the slightest upgrade. Trust me, Apple and its investors aren't lying when they say they love you!
What is important to Apple's future is what we're not seeing publicly: whatever new products and services they're developing for the future. It's pretty clear they've cut the resources devoted to computer development. We used to see new models every year, but now we're going years with only minor tweaks in components. Even phone development seems more on the incremental side lately. I don't think all that engineering skill just evaporated. Whatever is drawing it away from Apple's current product lines is far more significant than the cost of iPhones or rumors of changing component demand.
What is important to Apple's future is what we're not seeing publicly: whatever new products and services they're developing for the future. It's pretty clear they've cut the resources devoted to computer development. We used to see new models every year, but now we're going years with only minor tweaks in components. Even phone development seems more on the incremental side lately. I don't think all that engineering skill just evaporated. Whatever is drawing it away from Apple's current product lines is far more significant than the cost of iPhones or rumors of changing component demand.
Take a look at the NASDAQ today. Apple can continue to fall I think the readers get more emotional about it than the AAPL execs. What is important now is they meet or exceed their guidance in February. They aren't in trouble at all. Look at past charts every two years or so the stock plunges like this.
The only success I have had on any stock in the past three months is buying dips and selling rallies.That's my plan again today. If i get caught well I have time and patience. Apple gives a really nice dividend, has a good PE ratio, a bucket of money, it is also the cheapest of the big dogs still.
Apple needs to meet their guidance and that's about it. They never promised more than that. If they need to adjust prices so be it they did it on the first iPhone. They won't drop prices because the stock is down. That would cause the stock to plunge even further.
My point was... MOST of the heavy lifting on Android is done by the creators of Android... Google. They also run the Android app store, Google Play Services, etc.
YES... I know Samsung adds a ton of changes on top of Android. You're right... it is heavily forked. But Samsung still gets the base OS from someone else in the first place.
In contrast... Apple has to build their software from scratch.
I didn't mean to get into a great debate discussing every line-item accomplishment from Samsung.
It was just a general observation.
A lot of people like the Apple ecosystem. And that's something Apple, and Apple alone, has to build and maintain. And I guess that's something Apple builds into the price of each iPhone.
You're not just buying an iPhone... you're buying ALL the underlying software and services from Apple. It's a platform... not just a product. That might explain why iPhones cost what they do.
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Got it.
Since you were backed into a corner with your hyperbole, the only retort is a one word response, which probably would be removed if reported.
So I’ll say again, you don’t speak for anyone except yourself, nor do you appear to have any special insight into the trending worldwide buying habits.
He has no legacy. Just pockets full when leaves. Probably all that matters ultimately anyway.
We can agree to disagree. In 2007 the iPhone price was above and beyond what other phones cost. It was considered a very pricey but intriguing product. Technology was state of the art at the time. That can probably be said about the Max or the Xs if you want but certainly not about the Xr which uses okay but certainly not state of the art screen technology.
I know we're like 300 posts into this discussion, but this is the basic problem. If you're on a 6s/7, its pretty hard to pull the trigger on the newer generation of phones. If Apple's model holds up, I'd think people on those phones might be best served to wait until the XI is the new phone, at which point, the XS or XR will be the new discount model, and they will upgrade to that.
I believe the people in a tough spot are those on 5/5c/5s/6 that maybe reluctant to buy this particular generation of the 'old model' and the 'new model' is just too damned expensive. You can get a 7 for around $300-$400 these days (and getting the 8, seems like a very strange option given the price point), but those people don't want to be put in a situation where that phone is only good for ~2 years due to the soft-EOL-ing practices at Apple. At which point they will probably be faced with buying yet another phone. A 7 at the moment just feels like a stop-gap compromise. Apple really missed the mark by not having a new phone in the $500-$600 price range. True, that phone would cut into some other sales of higher priced models, but not having it is also driving down total volume and some buying cheaper 7s, might move up to it. Also, Apple makes a heck of a lot of money on services and smaller accessories now (watch, AirPods), which could also be lost if lots of people are changing platforms or being held back from using those products because they are on an old model.
The fact they decided to hide what they used to announce with pride, the number of devices sold, says it all.
I don't know how much is true from the story. But looking at the bigger picture, Steve did make sure that Apple is spread equally in different segments of home/professional computing: macs, phones, monitors etc. If you notice, Steve was a product visionary and not so much into software. But with Tim, we are missing out on both except the profit margin. It was a bad decision on part of Apple Management to stick to iPhone only for profit margin. Apple can't be a leader in service industry because Apple is not a trailblazer. Amazon and Google will eat Apple's lunch when it comes to service.
Apple management also stopped caring about the rest of the computing segment. There is no more turning back from that. The quality of Macs have gone down so much. This is verifiable by the number of repairs announced by Apple.
So only thing left is iPhone. And when you have only one product bringing in most of the profit, you can't experiment with that product. You always have to make sure that the product hits the right note every time it is released. Unfortunately, as usual, Apple lags with innovation and just keep increasing the price. And we can see that it was only sustainable for only one year. Or maybe it was already written on the wall with the tepid demand of iPhone X. I have said it before that you can't compare Apple with Samsung. Samsung is a conglomerate and can absorb the loss on Galaxy phones. But then Samsung is big in lower category smartphone market. I assume that offsets their loss in Galaxy. Apple has just become one trick pony!
Hopefully, Apple will heed to all these warnings and put back more effort into innovation. I still believe in Steve's mantra: do a few things, but do damn good in each one of them. Apple is currently stretched too thin into many products. They are not even a leader in anything anymore. It's time for the management to stop and think!
Apple management also stopped caring about the rest of the computing segment. There is no more turning back from that. The quality of Macs have gone down so much. This is verifiable by the number of repairs announced by Apple.
So only thing left is iPhone. And when you have only one product bringing in most of the profit, you can't experiment with that product. You always have to make sure that the product hits the right note every time it is released. Unfortunately, as usual, Apple lags with innovation and just keep increasing the price. And we can see that it was only sustainable for only one year. Or maybe it was already written on the wall with the tepid demand of iPhone X. I have said it before that you can't compare Apple with Samsung. Samsung is a conglomerate and can absorb the loss on Galaxy phones. But then Samsung is big in lower category smartphone market. I assume that offsets their loss in Galaxy. Apple has just become one trick pony!
Hopefully, Apple will heed to all these warnings and put back more effort into innovation. I still believe in Steve's mantra: do a few things, but do damn good in each one of them. Apple is currently stretched too thin into many products. They are not even a leader in anything anymore. It's time for the management to stop and think!
This whole debate is ridiculous.
2014: iPhone 6+ = $749
2018: iPhone Xr = $749
It’s all the other Apple products except iPhones which are too expensive.
2014: iPhone 6+ = $749
2018: iPhone Xr = $749
It’s all the other Apple products except iPhones which are too expensive.
