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It is not 100% savings. It is 15%.

He was talking subsidized, $100 vs. $200 (that's not a 15% difference ...) I think he was thinking a 100% markup from $100 (if talking about the difference in sub'ed costs)

Whatever, I hope we all understand basic math, so I'm assuming a different angle on pricing is being discussed.
 
This is too funny.

Apple under Tim Cool actually has the audacity and arrogance to think that slapping on some fancy colors on basically the same old phone from a year ago (which is ages ago in tech terms) would entice Chinese and Asian buyers to snap them up.

Funny that you just made that up.

Who is Apple and Tim Cook trying to kid? The Chinese and Asian consumers are tech savvy and I don't think they would settle for something outdated.

If Tim Cook and the Apple execs would get their heads out of the sand and actually look around the world outside of the US for a change, they would realize that in the global market, consumers are mostly turning to bigger sized Android phones.

And what percentage of those Android phones are more "outdated" than the iPhone 5C?

I just don't see Chinese and Asian consumers paying for a marked down phone in terms of technical specs and a smaller screen size (which makes it much more difficult to input in their language, which often require finger writing gestures on the screen) just because it is Apple branded and has different colors.

Are you really sure all 4.5 billion Asians share your opinion? :)
 
So the subtractive color model doesn't exist. Try explaining that theory to an artist, or someone in printing, but only if you like being greeted by howls of derisive laughter.

Without light, there's no colour.

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He was talking subsidized, $100 vs. $200 (that's not a 15% difference ...) I think he was thinking a 100% markup from $100 (if talking about the difference in sub'ed costs)

Whatever, I hope we all understand basic math, so I'm assuming a different angle on pricing is being discussed.

You're still paying full price.
 
The $100 dollar difference ($150 in some places) argument is just dumb.

Its 100% savings and thats a lot of money to people who work or have to buy for family. If I had a teen I would much rather buy a $100 or $50 phone rather than a $200 phone.

$100 vs $200

$1000 vs $2000

10,000 vs $20,000

1,000,000 vs $2,000,000 etc.

Your numbers are wrong.
You don't pay $100 vs. $200.

In the USA, You pay $100 + $25 a month for 24 months for the phone + $75 a month for 24 months for the voice and data plan vs. $200 + $25 a month for 24 months for the phone + $75 a month for 24 months for the voice and data plan.

So that's 25 times $100 vs. 26 times $100 for a phone and 24 months contract. About 4% difference.
 
…..it's curious when people who predict that the 5c will be a huge success don't actually use one (prominent example: Gruber).

People who had an iPhone5, really had little incentive to trade up to a 5C, and it's highly likely that most of the people making all these predictions, including bloggers like Gruber, are in that category.

The 5C is a great little phone for those new to iPhones, or smartphones in general, as well as for people still sporting 3Gs, 4s or 4Ss. Not everybody needs or wants the improved camera, faster processor or TouchId. And the 5C is a great choice for those.
 
Without light, there's no colour.

Unfortunately, your definition isn't the only acceptable one in the world.

You're still paying full price.

No, you're not. :confused:

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Your numbers are wrong.
You don't pay $100 vs. $200.

In the USA, You pay $100 + $25 a month for 24 months for the phone + $75 a month for 24 months for the voice and data plan vs. $200 + $25 a month for 24 months for the phone + $75 a month for 24 months for the voice and data plan.

So that's 25 times $100 vs. 26 times $100 for a phone and 24 months contract. About 4% difference.

:confused: He's not wrong. He's simply commenting on the consumer's cost of the device, not the service.
 
You're still paying full price.

Not in the US: both my AT&T and Verizon contracts would've been the same with or without a subsidized phone - even talked to a couple of corporate support folks with decent clout, no go.

So I could pay X, and get a phone for a $500 discount, that I can easily sell after the 2 years making my hardware costs $0 ... or pay the same X and bring my own phone into the contract. I was going to be a subscriber for at least 2 years anyway, so being "locked" into a contract doesn't really mean much to me.

Anyway, that's irrelevant to the discount percentage being discussed, and I indicated there's probably 2 (if not 3) different ideas being knocked around since I'm sure we can all do basic math. :)
 
If the iPhone 5C production was indeed cut, these are other possible reasons:
1. Shifting production to iPhone 5S
2. Shifting production to upcoming iPad and iPad Mini
3. Shifting production to some new product
4. Built enough for the initial launch and adjusting to steady state
5. Anything else I didn't/couldn't think of

you forgot the most fav one of trolls mate....

6. apple is doooooooomed :p
 
Yes, the service is marked up by the cost of the device, even without taking into account the additional cost due to roaming.

No, it's not. I pay the same for service regardless of any subsidy paid by the carrier.
 
Unfortunately, your definition isn't the only acceptable one in the world.

He is adding coloured pigments, not colours.

The name of the model is subtractive, he is substracting colours, and the end, nothing remains.
 
Fact? Nope. Opinion.
How in the world do you come to the conclusion that the 5c is a poor value proposition? Would you say the same if this year had been like previous, and it was the 5 was $99 on contract?

i have a 5, which I love. I dropped into an Apple Store last week just to touch a 5c. It feels very nice in the hand, the phone feels solid, rigid and sturdy. It's as good a value proposition as the 5 in my pocket, and better for those who like the color.


Compared to the 5S. Read the whole sentence.

Saving $100 over 2 years when someone is paying $100/month for service is the very definition of a false economy.

:rolleyes:
 
I read it as you and Nightarchaon debating the merits of transactional profit (iPhone) vs residual profit (App ecosystem). Immediate profit vs profit over time. I still don't get your math but that's my problem not yours.

No, the discussion is about the claim that Apple makes a lot more money on 30% of app and music purchases than on selling phones.

Gross margin on software and music is actually less than on phones. So Apple would have to make a lot more revenue for apps and music for phones. So to check if this can be true (it's kind of a google interview question, just a bit easier), we ask: Does the average customer spend more on phones or on apps and software?

The average iPhone costs about $600. Nightarchon confused the matter by quoting subsidised prices, but Apple does get the same $600 no matter how subsidized the phone is (you may get one for free and then the service provider takes $25 of your monthly phone bill for 24 months). So do you buy $600 worth of music, apps, books during the lifetime of that phone? I doubt it. There may be a few, but most spend a lot less.

So some common sense calculation shows that Apple makes a lot less money from the apps and music than they make from hardware sales.
 
Light is composed of radiation in different wavelengths (colors).

Black here means it doesn't reflect light. Absence of colors, absence of light.


they dont an rofl here otherwise i would have used that :))

black is absence of colours? :eek::eek::eek:

curious to know, what is transparent? is it a colour? :D
 
A failure? Seriously? I say it's a brilliant way to get rid of the extra iPhone 5 guts they contracted to buy.

Here's my take...

Let's just say Apple wanted to make 15 million phones in 2012. The radio/processor/screen vendors said, as vendors typically do, "We'll give you a better deal if you commit to 20 million. "Ok" said Apple.

They do the bulk purchase dance every year. Along comes fall 2013; time for new phones. In the past, Apple would simply keep selling the previous year's model until it ran out of them.

This year, they got smart. Instead of selling the remainder of last year's model at a deep discount, they said, "Hey, why not recase the 5 in colorful plastic, and sell it at a slightly lower price than the 5?"

Then they called up the iPhone 5 aluminum housing factory and said, "Sorry, we won't be needing those expensive iPhone 5 housings anymore, we're doing them in plastic now."

How much money did they just save by switching to plastic?

So, the 5Cs are the overruns of 2013-14, like the 4S was the overrun of 2012-13...and not only are they being sold at less of a discount, they're costing Apple less to make.

In the end, I'd be willing to bet they've sold more 5Cs this year (and at a higher margin) than they sold 4Ss last year, and that is the ultimate goal...to get rid of product overruns in the least painful way possible.

The side bonus to all this is that Apple also gets to do a big real world focus group. Do people want a plastic colored phone? How better to find out than by snapping on a plastic case to the phones you made last year, instead of tooling up for an entirely new model that may or may not flop?

And now they know...maybe a colored plastic phone isn't their best idea. Or maybe after they crunch the numbers, they'll decide it was in fact a success, and that next year, they'll do it again, but with the guts from the latest phone instead of last year's model.

This makes a lot of sense. But the question I'd ask is do all these cheaper Android and Windows phones have the latest and greatest internals? Why does it matter if the guts are the latest and greatest if the phone still works really well? It's not like the iPhone 5 is a slouch. And if Apple had kept the 5 but just reduced it $100 would people be saying 'don't buy it because its last years model'?
 
Defiantly... I don't think it means what you think it means. Look it up in Webster's.

I assume you meant "definitely," which fits within context.

I'd love a reverse spelling checker.

An app where you can type in a word like "defiantly", and it shows you all words that would be "corrected" to "defiantly".

Alternatively, a spelling checker that takes into account not only how close you are to a word, but how often that word is used. Anyone here who has _correctly_ used the word "defiantly" in a real world sentence?
 
I can get a locked phone and a contract, or an unlocked phone and the same contract for the same total price.

In the USA, it seems the monthly rate is the same whether you pay for the phone or not :mad:

In the UK, I looked at O2 prices and they are all over the place. Sometimes you save by paying more upfront, sometimes you save by paying less upfront.
 
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