Apple Reportedly Cutting iPhone 5c Production as Chinese Gray Market Prices Drop

[croooow]

The 'I' part in the FYI post was that your analogy was incorrect.

Since you can't be bothered to figure out what was wrong on your own, it was the "unregistered guns" part that is incorrect, unless you add additional qualifiers which were missing from your original post. And then you doubled-down with your comment on not being able to legally buy a gun in Chicago. Perhaps you ought to actually review laws before you comment on them.

I mean, it's not like the major update to Illinois gun laws was all over the news recently or anything. /s

The "I" was not meant to literally represent "I noticed that you did not bother to correct me." but the "Information" you had to explain what I had wrong.

I do not live in Chicago and did not know you could legally buy a gun at this point. I do know at some point in the recent past you could not. I should replace "Chicago" for "local area that prohibits the purchase of firearms at the time you plan to purchase" Happy?

The point of my original post, which I stand by (since this isn't GunLawRumors.com and I never claimed to be an expert on the black market or all local gun laws) is that:

grey market=legal
black market=illegal

I am not a lawyer and hope that no one is using my comments in this thread as legal advice when dealing with their gun charges.

I hope this post is approved by you...

 

[tbrinkma]

Technically, it is the absence of (or complete absorption) of light

And white is the absence of pigment

This is why primary colors are sometimes red, green, and blue and other times red, yellow, and blue or cyan, magenta, and yellow

The iPhone is not made of light and they are all some color (but some are not "colorful")

But 'pigment' is not 'color'. Color is the name we have assigned to a property of light that is the function of its wavelength. Pigments function by absorbing certain wavelengths of light more than others, allowing more light of the unabsorbed wavelengths to be reflected and/or passed through (depending on the transparency of the medium).

Black is, as he said, the absence of color (within the visible spectrum). White, on the other hand, is the *presence* of all color. White, at least, can be considered a color in the same way that purple is, since it is a *mix* of colors. Calling black a color is like calling an empty parking space a car.

 

[iChrist]

Because I would venture to guess that the majority of opinion against the phone comes from individuals who either:

a) Have never seen or held an iPhone 5c in their life.

b) Are so mental that they somehow feel that the mere existence of the 5c devalues the iPhone brand.

c) Are even more mental to the point where they feel like anyone who decided to purchase an 5c because they preferred it must themselves be mental, because "Why would you want the cheap, plastic, year-old phone? What's wrong with you?"

Think about it. If you are having such a hard time convincing people of your view (that the iPhone 5C is a good value)... maybe something is wrong with your premise.

Just something for you to consider both on this forum and in life.

 

[kobalap]

Think about it. If you are having such a hard time convincing people of your view (that the iPhone 5C is a good value)... maybe something is wrong with your premise.

Just something for you to consider both on this forum and in life.

He's not having hard time convincing people. Just having hard time convincing people who don't know the difference between fact and opinion.

 

[croooow]

Light is composed of radiation in different wavelengths (colors).

Black here means it doesn't reflect light. Absence of colors, absence of light.

But the black on your black/slate iPhone 5 (or the black parts of the space grey 5s) do reflect light. They are not "pure black" or the absence of light.

 

[gnasher729]

If you're going to use a gun analogy, you ought to at least make sure it's accurate. Just FYI.

Where is it legal to buy unregistered guns?

 

[tbrinkma]

The "I" was not meant to literally represent "I noticed that you did not bother to correct me." but the "Information" you had to explain what I had wrong.

Well, duh. Let me spell it out for you a bit more.

You:

That would be the "I" in "FYI"...

Me:

The 'Information' part in the FYI post was that your analogy was incorrect.

I do not live in Chicago and did not know you could legally buy a gun at this point. I do know at some point in the recent past you could not. Happy?

The point of my original post, which I stand by (since this isn't GunLawRumors.com and I never claimed to be an expert on the black market or all local gun laws) is that:

grey market=legal
black market=illegal

I am not a lawyer and hope that no one is using my comments in this thread as legal advice when dealing with their gun charges.

I hope this post is approved by you...

So, after all that argument, your response is that you couldn't be *bothered* to see if your analogy was correct, and that I'm somehow being unreasonable in pointing it out to you?

If you're (admittedly) unfamiliar with a topic, perhaps you should avoid analogies utilizing that topic. It'll save you the time it takes to be corrected for accidentally misleading people who actually read what you post, and you won't feel the need to try arguing that your incorrect analogy is somehow actually correct.

 

[croooow]

But 'pigment' is not 'color'. Color is the name we have assigned to a property of light that is the function of its wavelength. Pigments function by absorbing certain wavelengths of light more than others, allowing more light of the unabsorbed wavelengths to be reflected and/or passed through (depending on the transparency of the medium).

Exactly!

light is not "color" and pigment is not "color"

Color ≠ "colorful" (which is what I think people meant when they compare the iPhone 5c colors to the iPhone 5s colors or a hypothetical black iPhone 5c)

 

[unplugme71]

The 5c is defiantly going to beat the 5s in popularity. /sarcasm

When will people learn to spell definitely. Unless of course, you mean the iPhone 5C will be rebellious to the iPhone 5S?

 

[gnasher729]

I think what Nightarchaon is referencing is residual profit vs the transactional profit of a single phone. Neither way of making money is wrong and both are necessary for long term viability.

Bolded: How are you coming to that conclusion? Nothing about that statement makes sense, common or otherwise. There is no correlation between the cost of the phone and the amount spent on software, books, and music.

How do you come to that conclusion? I didn't say anything about correlation. I explained that revenue from software etc. is less than revenue from hardware. For it to be higher, the price of software would have to be higher than the price of the hardware.

 

[unplugme71]

Where is it legal to buy unregistered guns?

Your backyard. Along with all the iPhone 5C knockoffs

 

[tbrinkma]

Where is it legal to buy unregistered guns?

Just about everywhere in the US. There are *very* few states which require registration (of any sort) to buy firearms. Of course, that's information that is easily available if you bother to look for it.

There is a federal law which requires a registration (in the form of a $200 tax stamp) to buy, sell, or own a fully-automatic firearm (which must also have been made prior to 1986). But there is no requirement of any form of registration for any other firearms at the federal level, and very few states have any such requirement at the state level.

 

[JAT]

I'm confused why so many responses in this thread keep referring to the iPhone 5c as a "cheap" phone. Apple has never said anything of the kind, nor have they marketed that way. Where are you guys getting this from?

Rumors that are taken as fact. You know everything on the internet is true.

 

[croooow]

So, after all that argument, your response is that you couldn't be *bothered* to see if your analogy was correct, and that I'm somehow being unreasonable in pointing it out to you?

If you're (admittedly) unfamiliar with a topic, perhaps you should avoid analogies utilizing that topic. It'll save you the time it takes to be corrected for accidentally misleading people who actually read what you post, and you won't feel the need to try arguing that your incorrect analogy is somehow actually correct.

You must be a lot of fun at parties

I never said I could not be bothered. I pointed out that you just posted that I was wrong without any further information, which is pretty lame.

I stand by my analogy (There are times when you cannot legally buy unregistered guns, which makes my original analogy correct

If those products are stolen (or just not legally available like unregistered guns) then it is a black market.

you have yet to show me how my original statment was false. There is a black market that includes unregistered guns.

I did not say is was always illegal to buy unregistered guns. The statement begins with an "If"

 

[danpass]

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[Count Blah]

When will people learn to spell definitely. Unless of course, you mean the iPhone 5C will be rebellious to the iPhone 5S?

Chiding people for spelling/out of place words is no longer applicable, thanks to smart phone auto correct.

 

[minkeycat]

This has been a rare failure by Apple. I can't see why they didn't see this coming. They need to come off their high horse.

Rare? Seems to be another in a catalogue of many!

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Its plastic. Never mind there's a thread in the iPhone forum full of 5C owners who love the device and don't consider it "cheap". It's plastic so that automatically makes it "cheap". The only time Apple plastic products aren't cheap is when Steve Jobs is on stage announcing them.

Just like apple fans blasted the galaxy for a plastic back, welcome to the club apple!!!

 

[Nightarchaon]

You should really look at the numbers before you talk nonsense like that.

Common sense: If someone pays $600 for an iPhone, how much is that person going to pay for software, books, music? Hint: Less than $600.

i have spent, over my iPhone owning lifetime, WAY more than $600 on my iPhone (more again if you count iPad), now this is over my ownership of an iPhone, iPhone 3GS and iPhone 5 (next "upgrade" the 6, and ill pay around $200-$300 for the 6 as a contract renewal)

now this is across multiple devices, and i NEVER paid more than $400 for the phone, (Usually around $200 or less with a contract, the latest one, free on contract) in my mind the iPhone hardware just isn't worth the near $1000 outlay for a sim free , and as my contract is infinite data, 5000 minutes calls, 5000 texts and 5000 minutes calls across network its way more than i need, for $80 a month, and that includes the 3G iPad mini in the plan (also free with this contract).

so in total, im paying a contract of $960 a year, and getting an iPhone 5 and iPad mini, those are the kinds of prices these things should be..

 

[croooow]

Just about everywhere in the US. There are *very* few states which require registration (of any sort) to buy firearms. Of course, that's information that is easily available if you bother to look for it.

There is a federal law which requires a registration (in the form of a $200 tax stamp) to buy, sell, or own a fully-automatic firearm (which must also have been made prior to 1986). But there is no requirement of any form of registration for any other firearms at the federal level, and very few states have any such requirement at the state level.

I really regret even mentioning guns. I am in favor of people's rights to bear arms but I should have known better to even mention it because of how easily people feel threatened by any discussion of it.

It was just the first item I could think of that has a black market but does not necessarily have to be stolen.

 

[neoelectronaut]

Think about it. If you are having such a hard time convincing people of your view (that the iPhone 5C is a good value)... maybe something is wrong with your premise.

Just something for you to consider both on this forum and in life.

Not really trying to convince anyone, just inform.

It's like someone going "Ew, gross, Pizza is disgusting!"

"Have you ever eaten pizza?"

"No, it just looks gross."

Same situation with the 5c. I would guess (I have no data to back this up) that alot of people that are shittalking the phone have never even put their hands on one.

But that's the problem with alot of products across multiple industries. Nintendo is another one. A lot of folks like to shittalk the Wii U, but the majority of those shittalkers have likely never even played the thing.

 

[macs4nw]

The troll responses in this thread are going to reach ridiculous levels.

I'll field this one.

1) I enjoy the colored back of the phone. It brings a splash of color to a line of products that has been dull for so long.

2) The rounded polycarbonate back of the phone is more pleasant to look at and hold as compared to the cold, industrial looking and feeling 5s.

3) I saved $100 by going with the 5c. That money allowed me to purchase Applecare+ for my phone.

4) I'm not the shallow sort of individual that cares what other people think about the phone I use. I mean, really? Grow up, people. If you think my phone is "cheap-looking" I don't really care. Whatever makes you feel superior, man.

Make a black one and double your sales by targeting guys as well as teen girls...

And/or SpaceGray!

Well actually.....https://www.macrumors.com/2013/10/0...icing-to-45-on-contract-through-the-holidays/

And for those on contract, $155 can be a lot of money.

And remember, some people out there are buying more than one at a time for family, and/or they are upgrading from a IP4.

So the IP5c is a huge improvement and a much less expensive option.

Solid arguments all around. To those not needing the improved camera, faster processor or TouchId, the 5C is a beautiful little phone.

Apple really can't win, can they? They are either criticized for lack of innovation, if the very, very latest tech isn't included, or they're lambasted for their outrageous prices. Well, top quality as well as solid after-sales support doesn't come cheap. If it's cheap you're after, there are other companies catering to that market.

This has been a rare failure by Apple. I can't see why they didn't see this coming. They need to come off their high horse.

The second and third wave haven't even rolled out yet. Is it not a little early to come to that conclusion?

 

[kas23]

Failure? Firstly this is just a rumour. Secondly if it is true they are still producing just under 5 million 5c's a month. We also have no idea about the production ramp, this could well have been part of the plan all along.

You're jumping the gun a little in declaring it a failure. And how do you know they didn't actually anticipate this happening? They obviously had much more stock of the 5C from the beginning which is why they allowed pre-orders, where they didn't allow pre-orders of the 5S. If it was such a failure, it wouldn't have taken 4 weeks (from the time pre-orders started rolling in) to decide to cut production.

Indeed. The past failure of Apple includes:

iPhone 4...
iPhone 5

When there's smoke, there's fire:

http://www.localytics.com/blog/2013...of-3-4x-in-the-united-states-opening-weekend/

And this is comparing activations to the even more rare 5S. Remember, there is a significant number of people who ordered 5S's on launch day who still don't even have their phones. The fact that 5S activations greatly outweigh 5c activations likely represents an even greater skewing of the number towards the 5c. 5c's can be bought and activated immediately and we just aren't seeing this.

 

[Fission]

I am not saying they are the same.

I am saying that normal people might not care.

I'm saying they WILL care if they pay attention to advertising.

 

[MWPULSE]

Proof that people don't want a still way to expensive "Cheap" iPhone,

they want a cheap-'ER' iPhone period !.

Apple should have just released the 5s, but cut the price by $150-$200, more phones in people hands, more profits via the extras and iTunes store app purchases.

The "c" is still to expensive to be considered a "Cheap" phone, and its not that big a jump to a "s".

Now, had apple got the "c" out there at the $350 mark "off the shelf" sim free, or free with a 12 month contract... i could have seen myself picking up a "c" as a refresh if the price was around that $350 sim free, so when my contract renews i get the 6 for free, but in the meantime i get a new phone for the year.

Just a thought....bouncing it around if you will. the iPhone 5c was never supposed to be a cheap/cheaper/less expensive phone? The fact it's plastic is a non-sequitur. The thing still feels and acts like the 450 pound phone that it is...

Apple never said that they were gonna be releasing an iPhone 5crap/cheap and thats not apples business plan, and never has been.

The cheap iPhone is the 4s. Which is free, and is still current with the latest version of iOS, and Bluetooth 4.0 etc, retina display. It's just not as nice a phone, but that's what you want right?

Dunno how so many people didn't see this coming.

Problem solved

I think they possibly over estimated the channel capacity and how much they would sell in the weeks following the launch. Hmmm

 

[BaldiMac]

When there's smoke, there's fire:

http://www.localytics.com/blog/2013...of-3-4x-in-the-united-states-opening-weekend/

And this is comparing activations to the even more rare 5S. Remember, there is a significant number of people who ordered 5S's on launch day who still don't even have their phones. The fact that 5S activations greatly outweigh 5c activations likely represents an even greater skewing of the number towards the 5c. 5c's can be bought and activated immediately and we just aren't seeing this.

Context is important.

What are you comparing the 5C to?

(And usage for the 5S v 5C is down to about 2 to 1).