Because I use some messaging apps like Signal on my Mac but to register, they require a smart phone to set up. I like the dual SIM on the SE that my 7 doesn't have since I have US and Czech numbers.
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Apple Reportedly Cutting iPhone SE Production Just Weeks After Launch Due to 'Weaker-Than-Expected' Demand
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Because I use some messaging apps like Signal on my Mac but to register, they require a smart phone to set up. I like the dual SIM on the SE that my 7 doesn't have since I have US and Czech numbers.
I'd almost bite on the SE. Waiting for iPhone 7 to lose new OS updates I suppose.
Aside from a better camera, and now support for driver's licenses in some territories, I haven't found a compelling reason to upgrade to anything -I continue to get all day battery life (battery changed out this fall), and apps run fine.
If I recall, I think that iPhone 7 cost around $1300 CAD (128GB model), and a new SE 256GB can be found for $890 after tax - trade in bonus of... $55.
Aside from a better camera, and now support for driver's licenses in some territories, I haven't found a compelling reason to upgrade to anything -I continue to get all day battery life (battery changed out this fall), and apps run fine.
If I recall, I think that iPhone 7 cost around $1300 CAD (128GB model), and a new SE 256GB can be found for $890 after tax - trade in bonus of... $55.
Even the iPhone 8 was a stretch back then. They had iPhone 6, 6s and 7. And they had the nerve to continue using that design again in 2017 for iPhone 8. I'm not surprise at all that SE3 is no selling as much as they were hoping. People had that design for years. It's time to say goodbye to the home-button iPhone.
It's way too expensive in my opinion. Here where I live the price difference between 3rd gen SE (64GB) and iPhone 12 mini (64GB) is 20€..
Yeah right. That's why those people keep their 8 or SE2 so Apple can keep SE3 on the shelf.
With everything going on, I'm not surprised. Also, a lot of reviewers are putting the SE3 down for not refreshing the design. It doesn't need it. The biggest reason for the SE3, is better battery life, 5G (so you have a backup network, since 3G is fading fast), having physical buttons, and Qi.
This isn’t even for the small phone crowd. This is for the cheap phone crowd.
Tim has done all the calculations. The 6.1 inch screen 11 could be the rumored SE PLUS modal upgrade (larger display with dual camera) that is going around and that is all we get .... except they won't call it PLUS .... it will naturally become the new SE modal from 4.7 to 6.1 inches and they discard the mini completely from 2023. Then they can upgrade the 11 shell as a rebadged SE with new internals as they deem fit from then on using this body shell for a considerable time.
The entry price point of the SE3 forces questions and doubt among potential buyers of its overall value ..... inviting them to compare other modals within similar price ranges with better perceived overall value.
As in previous posts (yours included)... price points being set to tempt people no doubt to "upgrade" to the next price point causing chaos in our heads to which modal to buy .... eventually being sucked into choosing to upper tier modals we never intended on buying in the first place.
Nothing against FaceID but I still prefer TouchID and always will. I kinda thought the gimmick would go away after a while but clearly there is something a lot of people absolutely love about FaceID to the point they don't consider TouchID a 'must have'. To me, TouchID is still a must have and until they do away with it (something I never thought would happen, but now I'm not sure) I will always aim to get whatever iPhone has it. That being said this new SE was very disappointing. To me the only reason to upgrade was to get a more modern TouchID-enabled iPhone -- but outside of that nice new chip it's not worth it. Didn't even get MagSafe. I expected so little and was still disappointed lol.
I'm not surprised by the low demand. The design isn't a big deal to me but as others have said its just too little and (literally) too late - and for too much. I just hope Apple's takeaway isn't 'okay no one wants a phone with touchID - must not be important then!'.
I'm not surprised by the low demand. The design isn't a big deal to me but as others have said its just too little and (literally) too late - and for too much. I just hope Apple's takeaway isn't 'okay no one wants a phone with touchID - must not be important then!'.
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This isn’t the phone for people excited about buying a phone. It is the phone that companies provide, people that use the phone as just a phone, or that parents buy their kids. I wouldn’t expect large launch day sales since this phone doesn’t generate pent up demand. I think it would be about the same ongoing demand as the previous SE.
People keeping their 8's, SE2, are a perfect example of what I was saying, so thank you for proving my point!
I was excited to jump from my iPhone 13 Pro to this but the lack of actual 5G support is a deal-breaker for me. As insanely frustrating as FaceID is (even with an Apple Watch and the latest update to allow masked unlock - neither of which work 80% of the time) and how badly I want TouchID back I hotspot far too often to go back to just slightly better than 4G speeds (assuming this hobbled antenna doesn't cause coverage issues as well, which it would if it's the type of 5G that also requires an active 4G connection to work). An inexplicable choice for them to handicap it in this way.
Well that's the issue. It's not even the smallest iPhone. iPhone mini is, so people that want a small phone get that instead. Smaller chassis than the SE, but a bigger screen than the SE. It's a no brainer.
So the only people this appeals to is someone looking for the absolute cheapest entry point for a new phone or people that want a Home button. And from the looks of this report, it's safe to say it's not many people.
Just laughing at the comments from all the armchair CEO’s in this thread. Those saying get an iPhone 11 over the SE2022 instead, that’s fine you have your opinion, but it’s older A13 chip is already showing its age (no mask face I’d unlock available due to weaker neural engine performance, only works on A14 and above).
I think it's more "I don't need to spend another $400 on a new phone when I just bought one 2 years ago" for the target market.
Yeah people that want the cheapest iPhone possible care more about longevity.
I think iPhones are keeping a high retain rate. The years of needing to upgrade with each model are mostly gone, and that's a good thing. I remember when the changes from the first few models up until the 6S or so were kind of game-changing (at least for me), but starting with the 6S I started upgrading less.
Do you hate you sister? I would happily choose the SE over a crappy android any day.
Sorry, I didn't read the entire thread, so I'm sure there are other posts to react to, but here are a few.
The price raise was, as I understand it, the "5G" tax. I believe the only reason to even do another SE in 2022 is to add 5G to it; I think they would have added the $30 whether an A14 or A15.
Amen.
These remarks always confuse me, when folks compare the dollar price in different countries. Aren't there currency exchange rates? I haven't researched it, to be fair, but I always assumed that that has something to do with it. In any event, isn't the relevant comparison to the price of more expensive iPhones in the same country?
I think it's just simply that the SE 2022 isn't going to grab anyone to upgrade from the SE 2020. The 2020 model was going to attract a certain market (quite possibly the market of people still holing on to their SE 2016s, 6S's, 7's, etc.). But that market has been swept up already.
I understand if Apple decided they needed 5G, and so had to have it on their SE model. Perhaps it's an agreement with the providers. Perhaps its a knowledge of what's coming down the pike, and that it will require 5G. If this is the case (and I think it is), then the important bit isn't this year but the next three years. If 5G does turn out to be important, then they have a phone at the lower price point ready to sell. That is the most likely reason I can think of to even do this version.
You know that was never ever ever going to happen. What you're describing is no longer an SE, it's a brand new thing.
I don't think we'll ever see Touch ID on the sleep/wake button for an iPhone. Such a high percentage of users put a case on their phone, and each case probably affects the quality of the contact between finger and sensor, that I just don't see that happening.
The price raise was, as I understand it, the "5G" tax. I believe the only reason to even do another SE in 2022 is to add 5G to it; I think they would have added the $30 whether an A14 or A15.
Amen.
These remarks always confuse me, when folks compare the dollar price in different countries. Aren't there currency exchange rates? I haven't researched it, to be fair, but I always assumed that that has something to do with it. In any event, isn't the relevant comparison to the price of more expensive iPhones in the same country?
I think it's just simply that the SE 2022 isn't going to grab anyone to upgrade from the SE 2020. The 2020 model was going to attract a certain market (quite possibly the market of people still holing on to their SE 2016s, 6S's, 7's, etc.). But that market has been swept up already.
I understand if Apple decided they needed 5G, and so had to have it on their SE model. Perhaps it's an agreement with the providers. Perhaps its a knowledge of what's coming down the pike, and that it will require 5G. If this is the case (and I think it is), then the important bit isn't this year but the next three years. If 5G does turn out to be important, then they have a phone at the lower price point ready to sell. That is the most likely reason I can think of to even do this version.
You know that was never ever ever going to happen. What you're describing is no longer an SE, it's a brand new thing.
I don't think we'll ever see Touch ID on the sleep/wake button for an iPhone. Such a high percentage of users put a case on their phone, and each case probably affects the quality of the contact between finger and sensor, that I just don't see that happening.
The 2020 update was probably abnormally strong due to: A) the prior iPhone SE becoming a relic B) Pre-vax pandemic so mask wearing was more ubiquitious thus some small percentage of Face ID iPhone users downgraded to the 2020 iPhone SE.
In 2022, this is just the chassis of a mid-2010s phone with some early-2020s internals. The next time they do this SE update, it probably should just be the 12/13 Mini body.
In 2022, this is just the chassis of a mid-2010s phone with some early-2020s internals. The next time they do this SE update, it probably should just be the 12/13 Mini body.