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Yes, you do. For once things can look different in real life than in photos. More importantly, using a device is quite different to looking at a static image of the device.

you see where I come from, people can walk into shops and touch and play with phones (for free), whilst this is not the same as “owning” a phone, as long as you can do this for a nano second, like I have, it confirms my dislike of a phone with a notch. Interestingly it has the same impact on me as looking at a static photo. I must have a special skill, because I seem to know what I like without owning stuff?
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Did you act like a 5 year old with rice pudding and refuse to eat it because of how it looks? Or did you try it and decided you didn't like it?

Well I basically learnt this at 5 (must be a special skill). Thursdays at school lunch was always a “special” day and so for probably 200 Thursdays I tried it and didn’t like it. Odd thing was, those adult teachers never learned this?
 
AAPL is quickly approaching it's all time high. I got in last year right as the market turned sour. I remember buying at #220 and people said doom. Then I bought at $200 and it was the falling knife. Then I bought every $10 increment with increasing amount of shares each time right down to $150. At that point AAPL was never coming back is what people said, it was peak iPhone.

Now I have a nice little pile of money and that's somebody who got in right before a crash at a high valuation. All aboard on the Train to $250 per share. What AAPL managed to do will be studied in business classes for a long time. I have to say I had my doubts at times.

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Everything is expensive in Singapore, except street food and rent. $50 for a plate of spaghetti at the mall restaurant!! Same meal in similar location is maybe $15 in the US.
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Definitely seeing a lot of demand for these phones. Our mall Apple store still has lines.

I don’t see how you are paying for $50 for a plate of noodles unless you are eating at some fancy restaurant. Eating in a mall eatery should cost you ~ $10-15 per head.

But yeah, the iphone is not cheap here either.
 
I can’t figure out why so many on this thread are upset that iPhone Pro is so successful (And rightfully so). Is it because they don’t want to see Apple succeed or is this just the typical MacRumors rhetoric?

They are upset that Apple is successfully making things that they don’t want. That’s why they are lashing out like a jealous jilted lover who can’t stand the sight of her ex being happily married to someone else.
 
you see where I come from, people can walk into shops and touch and play with phones (for free), whilst this is not the same as “owning” a phone, as long as you can do this for a nano second, like I have, it confirms my dislike of a phone with a notch. Interestingly it has the same impact on me as looking at a static photo. I must have a special skill, because I seem to know what I like without owning stuff?
I said it CAN look different in person. Not that it will look different in person unless you have superpowers. But the question whether you will still think of an elephant without it being at the forefront of your mind is still open.
 
If we want to go there, maybe Apple might have been worth a lot less had Steve Jobs stayed around and resisted releasing a larger phone?

Or maybe Apple would be worth $500 million, sales would be lousy and he would have gotten the product line up wrong, if Steve was still around.

Macdonalds, the last time I looked wasn’t worth $1T(give or take).


The idea that Apples products would be worse off if Steve Jobs was still around is hilarious. Three quarters of their business eight years later is made up of products and services that were around before SJ passed.

You only have to look at this discussion here to see the difference between Apple under Jobs and Apple under Tim Cook. Every other thread descends into a bunch of amateur Charlie Mungers pontificating about the stock price.

SJs Apple = interest in products and services. TCs Apple = interest in Market Cap. 😴
 
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The idea that Apples products would be worse off if Steve Jobs was still around is hilarious. Three quarters of their business eight years later is made up of products and services that were around before SJ passed.

You only have to look at this discussion here to see the difference between Apple under Jobs and Apple under Tim Cook. Every other thread descends into a bunch of amateur Charlie Mungers pontificating about the stock price.

SJs Apple = interest in products and services. TCs Apple = interest in Market Cap. 😴
Apple Music
Apple News
Apple TV+
Apple Arcade
Apple Card

Airpods
Apple Watch
HomePod

iPad Pro with Apple Pencil and Smart Keyboard support

Plenty of new products that were released after Steve Job's death. Not trying to crap on his legacy, but the whole idea that Apple is going down the gutter without him really has got to go.
 
Apple Music
Apple News
Apple TV+
Apple Arcade
Apple Card

Airpods
Apple Watch
HomePod

iPad Pro with Apple Pencil and Smart Keyboard support

Plenty of new products that were released after Steve Job's death. Not trying to crap on his legacy, but the whole idea that Apple is going down the gutter without him really has got to go.

Nobody is saying they are going down the gutter without him just that they haven't launched anything since he died that has gotten close to the traction that existing product lines have. Over three quarters of the business eight years on is iPhone/iPad/Mac

The iPad Pro is not a new product its a iteration on one launched under Jobs.

TV Plus and Arcade aren't even out yet, Apple News is by all accounts not doing particularly well, the HomePod flopped and the success of the Apple Card remains to be seen.

Apple Music has done fairly well but is still a long way behind Spotify in subscriber numbers, the Watch and AirPods are obviously the pick of the bunch.
 
Nobody is saying they are going down the gutter without him just that they haven't launched anything since he died that has gotten close to the traction that existing product lines have. Over three quarters of the business eight years on is iPhone/iPad/Mac

The iPad Pro is not a new product its a iteration on one launched under Jobs.

TV Plus and Arcade aren't even out yet, Apple News is by all accounts not doing particularly well, the HomePod flopped and the success of the Apple Card remains to be seen.

Apple Music has done fairly well but is still a long way behind Spotify in subscriber numbers, the Watch and AirPods are obviously the pick of the bunch.
Seriously, it's not that hard to see what Apple is trying to do here.

Build an ecosystem around the iPhone while using their dominant presence in mobile to push their wearables initiative. We already have the Apple Watch, while AR glasses are rumoured to be in the works.

Apple music may lag behind in subscriber numbers, but don't forget, Apple is gaining subscribers in developed countries where the iPhone has a stronger presence, which in turn allows them to charge a higher price (once exchange rates have been factored in). Conversely, Spotify is finding its growth in developing countries where purchasing power isn't as strong. I find it's the whole market share vs usage share all over again, in that raw numbers alone don't always tell the whole story as to who is more successful than whom.

It's hard to see Apple Card not being successful. It's automatically available to anyone with an iPhone in the US, the application process is practically frictionless (unlike conventional banks who still have to mail the card to me) and I can only hope Apple succeeds in rolling it out to other countries ASAP.

Yes, the iPad Pro debuted under Steve Jobs, but it was under Tim Cook's tenure that the iPad Pro got stylus support, and the Apple TV got peer-to-peer airplay. My 3rd gen Apple TV continues to work dutifully in my classroom till this day, mirroring my iPad to the smart board.

At the same time, I can understand why Apple is so lacklustre when it comes to Macs; it clearly does not factor into their longterm product roadmap at all.

I also feel that too little credit is being given to Tim Cook for having grown Apple the way he has. Yes, I do acknowledge that Steve Jobs gave him a very strong foundation to work on, but things could easily have gone either way. If we had gone with the "common sense" advice that many an armchair critic here had given, from releasing cheaper iPhones to putting macOS on tablets to buying Netflix, Apple may well have been run into the ground by now, or at least, nowhere nearly as successful as it is today.

Were there missteps? Yes. From their macbook keyboards to airpower, but what company can boast of having 100% flawless execution? That's the Apple without Steve Jobs. Yes, they will (apparently) make more mistakes, but they will learn from those mistakes and improve accordingly. Everything Apple has done since day one lays the foundation for something else they will do in the future, and it's often only with hindsight that we see the significance of why they did what they did back then.

Does this make me a fanboy? Probably, but how can I not be, when their products have worked so well for me?
 
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The idea that Apples products would be worse off if Steve Jobs was still around is hilarious. Three quarters of their business eight years later is made up of products and services that were around before SJ passed.

You only have to look at this discussion here to see the difference between Apple under Jobs and Apple under Tim Cook. Every other thread descends into a bunch of amateur Charlie Mungers pontificating about the stock price.

SJs Apple = interest in products and services. TCs Apple = interest in Market Cap. 😴
The idea the people are omniprescient and can Devine the future of Apple with Steve Jobs should he have lived is hilarious.

If Mac rumors wasn’t an echo chamber and kept parroting how Apple was going downhill even as the company 8 years later is almost at $1t the discussions would be different as there is no other way to objectively measure the success of a company.

And there is some myopia going on if the discussion topics on products are missed or ignored.
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Nobody is saying they are going down the gutter without him just that they haven't launched anything since he died that has gotten close to the traction that existing product lines have. Over three quarters of the business eight years on is iPhone/iPad/Mac

The iPad Pro is not a new product its a iteration on one launched under Jobs.

TV Plus and Arcade aren't even out yet, Apple News is by all accounts not doing particularly well, the HomePod flopped and the success of the Apple Card remains to be seen.

Apple Music has done fairly well but is still a long way behind Spotify in subscriber numbers, the Watch and AirPods are obviously the pick of the bunch.
It seemed to be the sentiment that when Apple Pay was released it would flop because of the “enormous” foothold of android pay. We know how that turned out. And the other products will gain a forthomd. Apple does its research and people seem to gauge the success of Apple by how many minutes it’s takes for a product to take off. Such unrealistic expectations.
 
The idea the people are omniprescient and can Devine the future of Apple with Steve Jobs should he have lived is hilarious.

If Mac rumors wasn’t an echo chamber and kept parroting how Apple was going downhill even as the company 8 years later is almost at $1t the discussions would be different as there is no other way to objectively measure the success of a company.

And there is some myopia going on if the discussion topics on products are missed or ignored.
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It seemed to be the sentiment that when Apple Pay was released it would flop because of the “enormous” foothold of android pay. We know how that turned out. And the other products will gain a forthomd. Apple does its research and people seem to gauge the success of Apple by how many minutes it’s takes for a product to take off. Such unrealistic expectations.


Sorry for the late reply I dozed off when you responded by quoting Apples market cap. AGAIN.
 
Nothing like calling the customers idiots for buying a product you personally don’t like. ( well you called them loyal sheep)While you’re entitled to your opinion, it may be hundreds of millions of iPhone 11 customers don’t agree with you.
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And worth 5 times less. Macdonalds will get to $1T never.

idiots or sheeps, what is the difference really? apple has survive with people buying their stuff because it just has an apple logo or it is an american company. there is no secret. there are youtube vids of fake new apple products made some other company and strangers from the street says: ”of course i buy it because it is a new apple product”. that is not a secret and apple relies on it too. the real question is more like ”how much crap they can sell untilll?”

it is not ”if you dont personally like it”. why do you take it personally? i have mbp, atv, apple watch, iphone, ipad, ipad pro, apple pencil... but do i have to eat **** too? too much bad apples and too much **** they sell... enough is enoug - atleast for some of us, who doesnt really eat all the **** they offer.

people usually say that ”cook is disaster” - i say, cook is a brilliant person who can sell **** alot! that is the reason that cook was there and still is. he can sell whatever.
 
was actually interested in the 11 pro max but the price in singapore is 2k for a 256gb model and 1.7k for a 64gb.

sorry but unless this phone can make me breakfast and wipe my ass, it is not worth 2k. not just the iphone, no phone is worth 2k.

for comparison, 2k can get me an asus zenbook with change for a 2019 ipad.

or a surface pro 6/7 with change for a 2019 ipad.

or a new pc with a 2070ti on AMD zen 2 with 16gb ram, 1tb ssd and a 144hz gaming monitor.

or 4 boxes of cuban cigars.

or 17 bottles of whisky.

or 13 bottles of quality cognac.

or stock up my entire bar.

or get drunk and die of liver failure in 1 night.

these would all be more viable choices than spending it all on a phone.

a box of Cuban cigars is $500????
Damn
 
My friends who don’t follow rumors sites and got them are gushing about them. They absolutely love them...so would not be surprised if they do well. I use burst as my primary photo method (small kids) and the new implementation is embarrassingly bad but I am still very tempted having seen the pictures they are taking.
 
Sorry for the late reply I dozed off when you responded by quoting Apples market cap. AGAIN.
No problem. Sorry for my late reply. I also dozed off as I read the exact same boring comments for the upteenth time.;)
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idiots or sheeps, what is the difference really? apple has survive with people buying their stuff because it just has an apple logo or it is an american company. there is no secret. there are youtube vids of fake new apple products made some other company and strangers from the street says: ”of course i buy it because it is a new apple product”. that is not a secret and apple relies on it too. the real question is more like ”how much crap they can sell untilll?”

it is not ”if you dont personally like it”. why do you take it personally? i have mbp, atv, apple watch, iphone, ipad, ipad pro, apple pencil... but do i have to eat **** too? too much bad apples and too much **** they sell... enough is enoug - atleast for some of us, who doesnt really eat all the **** they offer.

people usually say that ”cook is disaster” - i say, cook is a brilliant person who can sell **** alot! that is the reason that cook was there and still is. he can sell whatever.
That Apple got to $1T is very relevant as companies just don't wind up there by accident. It you believe people buy an iphone because of the apple logo, people must buy a Ferrari because of the horse logo.

Crap is an opinion, that I personally don't share.
 
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No problem. Sorry for my late reply. I also dozed off as I read the exact same boring comments for the upteenth time.;)
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That Apple got to $1T is very relevant as companies just don't wind up there by accident. It you believe people buy an iphone because of the apple logo, people must buy a Ferrari because of the horse logo.

Crap is an opinion, that I personally don't share.

Alot of people do buy Apple and Ferrari for those reasons.

What do a lot of people who come into money do, buy a Ferrari or some other brand of super car. They’ve never driven one but they want one purely based on the company status.

Apple is the current cool kid on the block for tech so everybody wants one.

So alongside the sheep and Apple raising prices to rip customers off that is how they got to the trillion dollar mark.
 
Alot of people do buy Apple and Ferrari for those reasons.

What do a lot of people who come into money do, buy a Ferrari or some other brand of super car. They’ve never driven one but they want one purely based on the company status.

Apple is the current cool kid on the block for tech so everybody wants one.

So alongside the sheep and Apple raising prices to rip customers off that is how they got to the trillion dollar mark.
Correct. The logos mean something intrinsically. People buy the logos because the logos mean something to the customers.

Regardless of what they mean to you, which is irrelevant.
 
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The story never changed, despite what the pundits say. There is always some story about AAPL because it gets clicks and TV ratings. Apple is one of, if not the most widely held stocks because it is among the most valuable companies on earth.

Investing takes experience, but selling stocks just because they drop is a terrible strategy. You always have to ask yourself if the story has changed. Apple maybe reached peak unit iPhone sales, but anyone that knew the data understands this has to happen.

Much more important now is the installed base, services, and the new exploding segment of wearables. The best part of Apple is they aren't a one trick pony. iPhone will not always be the most important product at Apple and we are starting to see that.

If Apple couldn't move away from the iPhone at some point, THAT would be a major problem. Companies have to adapt and we're seeing Apple do that (while still selling a ton of iPhones and monetizing the base).

Lastly, for a company buying back another $100B in shares, long term shareholders don't necessarily want AAPL trading at all time highs.

When AAPL drops, buying one of the best companies on earth with a cash machine and fortress balance sheet is always a good decision.

As usual, when the facts change, I'll change...but I see very little evidence the sky is close to falling.

If Cook is to be believed and these days I trust him more than the background noise of MR, Apple is just warming up. He says health will be the biggest segment they enter and the most meaningful thing they ever do. That's a huge untapped addressable market that plays very well with the ecosystem they already have.
 
Why is the notch so bothersome to people? It’s almost like one random iPhone hater mentioned it, then everyone else read that and now it has become ammunition to just talk crap about the notch. I don’t even notice the notch. Or see it as a problem at all. So who really cares about the notch?
 
Why is the notch so bothersome to people? It’s almost like one random iPhone hater mentioned it, then everyone else read that and now it has become ammunition to just talk crap about the notch. I don’t even notice the notch. Or see it as a problem at all. So who really cares about the notch?
Jealousy? It's the whole you have something that I don't approve of mentality. I have yet to come across a person that actually owned a phone with a notch, Apple or other, that had a problem with it. I'm not talking about someone saying they owned it but rather physically seeing they own it. I mean I owned a Ferrari and I thought it was terrible but that's another story ;)
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I hope Apple does well with the new phones, even though I didn’t purchase one.

Purchase what you like and don’t worry about what other people buy.
Pretty much. I have friends that love their Android phones and that's great. It's their money so why would I care what brand they choose?
 
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Sorry for the late reply I dozed off when you responded by quoting Apples market cap. AGAIN.

You all can keep buying your heads in the sand all you want. It’s not going to change the reality of things.

I think it’s time critics start accepting that just because Apple isn’t making the products that they want doesn’t mean it is doomed. As though they were the only Apple customers on this planet and no one else.

And I don’t see what is wrong with bringing up profits and market cap. This goes to show that for all the criticism levelled at Apple, their products are still resonating with customers and people are still buying them.

We should be explaining Apple’s success here, not trying to explain it away.

Learn to look beyond your hate and your prejudice. Learn to let go and open your eyes.

Apple is a juggernaut and it won’t be stopped.
 
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