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There are no mid range android phones with 120hz with ltpo. There’s different levels of high refresh rate displays. Refresh rate going down to 1hz is a massive gain for battery life

The 13 pro line is top of the range when it comes to camera, video, performance. Not to mention lasting multiple years unlike many mid range devices.

So saying it’s mid range specs is flat out wrong. All 1k devices have flagship specs.
Yes, but ltpo screens actually cost *less* to produce.
 
Now that the privacy playing field is equally leveled, maybe consider getting an Android phone. You can side load apps, less restrictive, in fact if you get a Google Pixel you can get a more secure and privacy respecting OS like CalyxOS or Graphene.

No need to pay the Apple price.
 
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Well, I normally buy the mid tier Pro Max. If they start storage at 256GB, then I can get the 256GB for basically the same price as last year. Either way, if I 'buy' on IUP, it won't affect me too much.
 
I don't see this as a good comparison. The iPhone 12 was much more advanced in the hardware than the 11. Nearly every feature was improved in some way from the 11 to the 12.
Most things improve with every new iphone though. Anyways his point was that since iOS advances very little so why even upgrade. And he's right. At the end of the day, it's just a phone that cant even multitask properly. Gone are the days of A chips being twice as fast, and GPU being 7x faster etc
 
That seems like a dumb move. The best companies price based on the market price for the product (market price - product cost vs. cost + profit), and ensure the costs fall in line with the market expectation. Short term boosts based on component fluctuation is a bad business move and inconsistent with what leaders do. Either way, I've bought a huge amount of Apple product, but haven't upgraded my iPhone for some time due to lack of compelling reason to do so, so it won't affect me anyway.
 
yes because OLED and 5G was added to the iphone 12
My iPhone X is OLED. You can buy an entire 5G phone at the supermarket for $29.
im getting a 13 but the disciple attitude towards what is already exorbitant pricing is kind of scary, “yes please give me more price increases for modest actual increases in tech on the existing 2020 phone”
 
The Fold itself as a product is.

Processor isn't everything no matter how many times one keeps saying it. iOS runs just fine on an A10 right now too. Overpowered means nothing if the OS can't use it; ie. iPad Pro. Just a paper spec.

Start a poll how many people record on 2 cameras at the same time. I bet you can the percent of people on one hand who know/remember it even exists. Terrible example.

So what's your cut of Timmy's $750 million, besides $0, to shill? We hear the same tired line every year from the same few diehards; the old "YOU JUST WAIT!" :rolleyes:
Starting off a post by suggesting: "anyone who disagrees my opinion the fold 3 is revolutionary...must be a fanboy"; really discounts any salient points made in the post.

And while the processor isn't everything, neither is the screen. And to discount the "revolutionary" aspect of recording on 2 cameras simultaneously is just bias. Does that imply the if the sales of the fold 3 are terrible the product isn't revolutionary?

These superlatives are thrown around MacRumors with more bias than the Leaning Tower of Pisa. Now if you're a fan of the fold 3 for $1800, which seems overpriced, that's great. More power to you.

The rumors suggest the iphone 13 is going to have some killer features. Of course "killer features" is in the eye of the beholder as is everything else. And how much of an increment, if any, the iphone 13 will have over the iphone 12 is anybody's guess. And whether it's worth buying for the price, from the rumors, Apple believes it will sell like hotcakes.

But to suggest on one hand that people who disagree with my opinion is a "fanboy" and then go on to call other posters "shills" is like the pot calling the kettle black.
 
But that is Tim Cooks Apple. Overcharge for products that don’t actually add much on top of what was there before. Fragmented product lines when there is no logical reason for them to exist other than to be able to charge higher prices. He is basically John Sculley just that Apple has too much money and is ingrained in pop culture too much now to fail so he’s got away with it.
Not quite.

John Sculley's Apple tried to fight lack of demand with an ever increasing product line that still no one would buy.
Today's Apple is very good at finding niches in the product lineup to expand and sell even more product.
It's not that Apple "has too much money", they actually make that much money with their products.

I agree that it certainly has to do with the pop culture thing, but it's also very clever marketing and filling consumer needs. Apparently not so much pro user's needs, but then, like I said, the pro machines were probably selling quite well, otherwise Tim "Penny Pinching" Cook would have discontinued them a long time ago.
 
Nothing unexpected. 2k for a phone coming soon.
Certainly true. Depending on the specs, Apple is almost there, and so is Samsung with the Fold3.

OTOH, people also expect better tech / new features / more storage / faster network each year.
This all has a price, maybe not so much the parts that will be in the phone eventually but the development costs of it all.
 
Not looking to get a new iPhone this year but the £799 I paid for my iPhone 12 was more than I wanted to pay for a mobile phone.

If the prices go beyond that next year with the iPhone 14, i’ll simply do what a lot of people tend to do and buy an older model. It’s getting a bit ridiculous from a consumer point of view now and especially as Apples profits are record breaking every year. I’m happy not to have the latest phone if the costs related are ridiculous.
 
Average iPhone users keep their phones for years, thanks to excellent iOS multi year support. True prices should be amortized for the whole life period of the phone. I would be more than happy to pay 50 dollars more now in order to keep my phone for 1 more year.
 
Average iPhone users keep their phones for years, thanks to excellent iOS multi year support. True prices should be amortized for the whole life period of the phone. I would be more than happy to pay 50 dollars more now in order to keep my phone for 1 more year.
Or alternatively, resale value
 
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Great.... just got notified on my iPhone 6, that support for iOS 12 of a certain app will be suspended very soon and that I should update to a newer iOS version if I want to go on using that app... This app is very important for me. The phone is still completely fine for daily routine tasks that don't include Hires video multimedia crap. Sustainability? ... never heard of it! 🧐
 
Great.... just got notified on my iPhone 6, that support for iOS 12 of a certain app will be suspended very soon and that I should update to a newer iOS version if I want to go on using that app... This app is very important for me. The phone is still completely fine for daily routine tasks that don't include Hires video multimedia crap. Sustainability? ... never heard of it! 🧐
I think still being able to use a seven (!) year old smart phone with the latest OS version ranks pretty high in sustainability. Try to find that with other phone vendors, or even with PC manufacturers. And ofc it's up to you using it running the current OS version once no more updates are available. I did that with my iPhone 5 for a while, until the battery finally gave in completely.
If that one app is so important to you, the sustainable choice is to buy a used phone (X or 11 perhaps) which will be able to run upcoming iOS versions for years to come.
 
I think still being able to use a seven (!) year old smart phone with the latest OS version ranks pretty high in sustainability. Try to find that with other phone vendors, or even with PC manufacturers. And ofc it's up to you using it running the current OS version once no more updates are available. I did that with my iPhone 5 for a while, until the battery finally gave in completely.
If that one app is so important to you, the sustainable choice is to buy a used phone (X or 11 perhaps) which will be able to run upcoming iOS versions for years to come.
I bought the iPhone 6 actually 6 years ago. And iOS 12 came out in 2018, so it is 3 years old! Sorry, but supporting an OS version just for 3 years after it came out is not OK, no matter how you look at it. And I actually did use some of my computers for 10 years or more. It is all a question of how much you take care of your equipment. In the old days I could go on using my equipment by just staying on older software versions. But since all that cloud business started, everybody is just cutting loose hardware that is running on 3 years old OS versions, because they are too lazy to support legacy systems. That is completely nuts. My iPhone looks almost brand new after 6 years, even though I heavily used it during that time. Battery got replaced 2 times so far though. That is sustainability! Buying a used iPhone 11 doesn't change that my iPhone 6 will have to be scrapped long before the hardware is giving up and somebody still has to buy a new phone to replace his... So it doesn't change anything, no matter if I buy a brand new phone or a used one...
 
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This is a good chance to give Apple a finger and buy iPhone 12 instead, which will be discounted once 13s come out. This will teach them. ✌️
I wouldn’t be shocked to see Apple drop the 12 and just leave the 11 slotted in the line up this year where it’s sitting currently. Would be better segmentation.
 
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