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Apple Reportedly Launching 8 GB iPhone 5c Tomorrow
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We don't live in USA, and not all of us want to be tied with a carrier for 24 months ....
I've never bought a subsidized phone in my life.
You also get a much worse user experience, plus all the tracking that comes with a Google service/device.
Apple's price for storage upgrades aren't outrageous. Base price of closely-related hardware is: iPod Touch vs. base iPhone.
Especially as they cut the base version from 16GB to 8GB!
What would make sense in having a smartphone (still) paid big bucks you can't actually use as such?
Introducing an 8GB iPhone 5c would not, by itself, allow Apple to offer the phone at a lower price. In fact, as an isolated move, it's pure stupidity because making the product lineup more complicated, introducing more SKUs for inventory, etc. would cost more than the $5 they might save by using 8GB of flash instead of 16GB.
However, if the 8GB 5c replaces the 4S the math quickly gets complicated.
- What does it cost Apple to make the 4S versus an 8GB 5c?
- What does Apple accounting say it costs to make the 4S versus the 5c? This can be very different than the actual cost because of amortization, depreciation, the length of supply contracts, etc.
- Would an 8GB 5c be more or less appealing than an 8GB 4S?
- Would it have a positive or negative impact on sales of the more expensive models?
- Would the answers to any of the above be different next month?
I'm not sure Apple even knows the answers, but they surely have much better estimates than any of us do.
I think the only one complicating things is you. To answer your questions:
It certainly costs Apple less to produce the 5c. Plastic is cheaper than metal and glass, meanwhile the costs of the A6 chip would have dropped by now and the A5 stopped dropping in cost a long time ago.
I think you're trying too hard on the accounting cost one.... skipping it. Obviously questions Apple could answer.
A 5c would naturally be more appealing than a 4s. Newer, better performing, larger screen, etc. Was this a serious question?
The impact on Apple's high end models is negligible because no one in that market would consider an 8 GB phone.
No, the answers wouldn't change next month. However, they will continue to swing more and more in the 5c's favour. Following the discontinuation of the iPad 2, the only product that shares the same processor generation with the 4s is the Apple TV, which is due for an upgrade.
I guess it may save a little on consolidating everything on the Lightning connector format as opposed to the old 30-pin connector on the 4S - would that leave any Apple device still in production that uses that connector?
It should improve the entry level experience for anyone moving over to Apple from a feature phone or Android with the faster processor, 4G compatibility and perhaps more modern look - though I do like the old 4/4S design.
It should improve the entry level experience for anyone moving over to Apple from a feature phone or Android with the faster processor, 4G compatibility and perhaps more modern look - though I do like the old 4/4S design.
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As nexus 4 user I must say I am kindly disagree with you. I am very happy with my Nexus 4 and it feel snappier than my iPhone 4S. One thing I tell you that there is no privacy on Internet world. Owning an Android device is not automatically means you get tracked by Google.
And yes, Apple's pricing on flash storage does make zero sense. You get 70 dollar less for 16GB iPod touch where you loss 16GB storage from 32GB model, the iPod Touch loop and rare camera. But Apple charging you 100 dollars for 16GB, 32GB and 64GB jump
Yes it would. I think the phone would sell like crazy at $250 -350 off contract, especially since T-Mobile and At&T have come out with their new price plans. But at those prices it may hurt the flagship iPhone sales.
Actually this is something new. 5c is the mid tier iPhone right now and Apple still sell the 4S as the cheapest option, $0 on contract.
In the past years, ONLY low tier iPhone dumbed down into 8GB storage. But now, 5C is only 6 months old and it's already downgraded.
Just shows how Apple regret of trying to sell it.
My prediction? The polycarbonate iPhone will not dead but it will always be the lowest, cheapest option with only 8GB of storage from this year on.
I don't think such a move likely, but if they did it would presage a large drop in flagship prices too.
iPod classic, and iPad 2 (until it is dropped), plus the 4 and 4s in emerging markets (assuming they aren't dropped).
They're most likely targeting a certain place. Maybe its something to do with their new CarPlay, or maybe a new feature they're releasing. Who knows, they could be releasing it with iCloud storage to save stuff in the cloud. I don't think Apple is stupid enough to release an 8GB device without something with it.
Is 8GB going to be enough though? After system files, that leaves only a bit over 5GB for apps and files. I'm a fairly light user but looking at my Usage in the Settings app, 8GB would not be comfortable.
16GB should be the minimum.
It won't be enough but that's the point. It lures you to get the higher option unless you can really live with 8GB.
Having a 8GB onboard, non-expandable storage for a smartphone is no less than buying a shiny dumb-phone plus the monthly, exorbitant carrier plan.
I might be in the minority, and while I can't imagine rocking only 8 GB myself (I have a 16 GB and it's painful...), there are tons of people who use iPhones for email, calendar, camera, web browsing, social media, note jotting, reminders, alarm, for weather info, for GPS, mobile banking, texting, and maybe light gaming. Probably more. None of that stuff requires much space, and I have several in my family alone who don't put music / large games / videos / etc. on it. I think there's a market for an 8 GB phone, for better or worse...
I think you are wrong about thinking iPhones are "awfully cheap" in U.S. Compared to the Europe,as far as I know those U.S. Prices are what you pay in addition to paying monthly contract fees.also add Tax to that.
Whereas the European prices are the toral price you pay for the phone,without need to pay any monthly contract fee.
In the UK for example Apple sells iPhone 5s 16GB for £530 & iPhone 5c 16GB. For £470.thats the total price you pay for the phone,no monthly contract is attached to it.also tax is already included in that price.
The U.S equivalent of that pricing is when you buy the phone on contract,currently you can get the 16GB iPhone 5s for £30 plus £35 monthly payments on a 2 Years contract.(you get 500 minutes,unlimited Data and 5000 SMS included).
4s is free on all contracts for just £25 a month on 2 Years contract (same package as above).
Dem margins would be too low for Apple.
The plastic case on the 5C doesn't actually save that much money and halving the storage to 8GB will only save them like $2.
The BOM on the 5C wasn't that much lower than the 5. Its still an old flagship phone inside.
I know that, but an unlocked iPhone is $650 in the US, or about $700 with VAT included. That's 500, almost 200 cheaper than in Europe.
This is dumb, and hopefully a stop-gap measure until they do 16/32/64/128 across the board. The difference in price between an 8GB chip and a 16GB chip is so small, it would be worth it for Apple to have happier customers quite honestly. These people don't need to be frustrated with constantly managing their space. It's 2014, and files are huge! A 5C buyer today may well be a 7S buyer a few years down the road. Don't make them angry. Data managing sucks. I think the same thing is true with the iPad at 16GBespecially when you download the iWork and iLife apps. My grandparents don't do much on their iPad and it's always running out of space. I had a computer running Windows 98 with a 20GB drive for crying out loud! Our Packard Bell on Windows 95 had an 8GB drive. How can we have a post-PC era when people who have a low-end five year old laptop with a 200GB drive are trying to switch to a 16GB tablet that cost more than their laptop did five years ago? And to get about 2/3 that storage they must spend an extra $300 for the 128GB model? Oh and another thing, their 5MP camera died and their new one is 16MP. Good luck storing those somewhere. Apple needs to design a better solution. Pretty much the only thing that ticks me off about Apple: they're greedy with storage space on the device, they're greedy with RAM (1GB for the third generation in a row, especially on 64-bit chip isn't good), and they're greedy with iCloud storage space (both amount offered free which is supposed to be built into the device cost vs. the competition, the pricing for additional amounts, and the fact that if you own multiple iOS devices you're penalized with only 5GB to back them all up to). Otherwise I like Apple. There is no reason to be greedy when it affects the customer experience quite negatively and the cost to you is fairly negligible.
yes,but you should also take into account that in US people get payed in Dollars not Euros / Pounds..so everything "appears" to be cheaper when you convert the price to the higher value Euro / Pounds.
Take note of this moment: I agree with you
We are not going to see it at that price range. At least 100$ more than that. Something like 450-499$.
O2 have the 8Gb 5c at £399 on pay as you go but 'coming soon', if you desperately wanted this version it's only available on contract currently.
No one insulted you. But you really should read my post and try to comprehend it. As already said, Apple planned in advance to keep the 4S around for a limited time, rather than offering the 5c at 8 GB from the start, and it was due to some distribution channel factors that are over your head. I'm not digging 9 month old articles up for you, you can waste your own time on that.
They're not outrageous at all. The prices of SD cards are not even remotely close to being a comparison either.
Thank you.
Everything you said made sense except for the bold. You are right, this IS new, where the $0 phone is not at least 2 years old. I'd say that is GOOD for consumers, wouldn't you?
Downgraded is wrong word, however. It doesn't make any sense either. If the 16 GB version dropped in price by $100, that would be downgrading it. Instead they introduced a new model at $8 for a $100 less.
Do you not remember that prior to the iPhone launch in Sept. '13 most people expected Apple to come in with the 5c being both 8 & 16 GB at $0 and $99 right out of the gate? Apple clearly decided not to do that, because they had other reason to keep the 4S around. It had to do with certain international markets and distribution channels, as well as cost of manufacturing. It was a business decision that probably affected some unknown bottom line somewhere. It makes no difference, the plan was, all along, to introduce an 8 GB 5c at $0 in early 2014. Exactly. What. They. Just. Did.
if you cant back up the statements you make then perhaps you shouldnt make them.
perhaps a huge lack of understanding on your part caused you to misunderstand the article in question 9 months ago. it probably went right over your head.
decided to reread your replies to me ande there is no mention of 4s there. perhaps you should reread those.
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