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The A17 Bionic chip initially used in the iPhone 15 Pro and iPhone 15 Pro Max later this year will fundamentally differ from a version of the same chip set to be manufactured in 2024, a new rumor claims.

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The A17 Bionic is expected to be Apple's first chip manufactured with a 3nm fabrication process, resulting in major performance and efficiency improvements over the 5nm technique used for the A14, A15, and A16 chips. The initial version of the A17 Bionic chip will reportedly be manufactured using TSMC's N3B process, but Apple is planning to switch the A17 over to N3E sometime next year. The move is said to be a cost-cutting measure that could come at the expense of reduced efficiency.

N3B is TSMC's original 3nm node created in partnership with Apple. N3E, on the other hand, is the simpler, more accessible node that most other TSMC clients will use. N3E has fewer EUV layers and lower transistor density than N3B, resulting in efficiency tradeoffs, but the process can provide better performance. N3B has also been ready for mass production for some time longer than N3E, but it has much lower yield.

N3B was effectively designed as a trial node and is not compatible with TSMC's successor processes including N3P, N3X, and N3S, meaning that Apple will need to redesign its future chips to take advantage of TSMC's advancements. Apple was originally believed to be planning to use the N3B for the A16 Bionic chip, but had to revert to N4 because it was not ready in time. It may be the case that Apple is using the N3B CPU and GPU core design originally designed for the A16 Bionic for the initial A17 chips, before switching to the original A17 designs with N3E later in 2024. This architecture will presumably be iterated on through TSMC's successor nodes for chips like the "A18" and "A19."

It seems highly unlikely that Apple would make such a drastic change to the A17 Bionic during the product cycle of the iPhone 15 Pro and iPhone 15 Pro Max, so the N3E version of the chip may instead be destined for next year's standard iPhone 16 and iPhone 16 Plus models. The A15 Bionic chip in the iPhone 14 and iPhone 14 Plus is a higher binned variant with one additional GPU core than the A15 used in the iPhone 13 and iPhone 13 mini, so some cross-generational differences despite outwardly featuring the same chip would not be unheard of.

The rumor comes from a Weibo user who claims to be an integrated circuit expert with 25 years of experience working on Intel's Pentium processors. Earlier this year, they were first to claim that the iPhone 15 and iPhone 15 Pro's USB-C port and accompanying charging cables will feature a Lightning-like authenticator chip, potentially limiting their functionality with Apple-unapproved accessories — a rumor that went on to be corroborated by more established sources. They were also first to say that the standard iPhone 14 models would retain the A15 Bionic chip, with the A16 being exclusive to the iPhone 14 Pro models.

Article Link: Apple Reportedly Planning to Switch Technology Behind A17 Bionic Chip to Cut Costs Next Year
 
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senttoschool

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N3B node is not design-compatible with N3E. This means the design doesn't just "work" between the nodes. It'll need to be manually ported over, which is often very costly.

I don't think anyone ever claimed that Apple would be foolish enough to switch from N3B to N3E midway during the 15 cycle. That's nuts.

So it always made sense that Apple would be using N3B for A17. N3E is not ready for the iPhone launch in September. Lastly, it makes sense that Apple would switch to N3E, which is a cheaper node.

N3B is sort of made for Apple because Apple needs a 3nm node for iPhone 15 launch. N3E wasn't ready. N3E is really the mass market node that everyone else will use such as Qualcomm, AMD, Nvidia, etc.
 

MacProFCP

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Both sides in one comment ;)

1. As if Apple isn't making huge profits on the iPhone and they need to cut costs.

2. So what? At this point, who's buying an iPhone for the latest chip? It's much more about the features of the newer phone. The chips are fast enough so I doubt anyone will notice a bit of an efficiency loss.
 

Brad7

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I hope people are paying attention. Every company is prepping for a recession. And when even Apple takes action, you know it’s all but a certainty what’s coming.

Strap up. This time, businesses and Wall Street will feel the pain, and us consumers and retail investors will come out ahead. If we prepare.
 

remo99

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Both sides in one comment ;)

1. As if Apple isn't making huge profits on the iPhone and they need to cut costs.

2. So what? At this point, who's buying an iPhone for the latest chip? It's much more about the features of the newer phone. The chips are fast enough so I doubt anyone will notice a bit of an efficiency loss.
you may notice the efficiency loss in worse batterylife
 

Mr. Dee

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The rumor comes from a Weibo user who claims to be an integrated circuit expert with 25 years of experience working on Intel's Pentium processors.

Maybe its a mole from Intel just spreading false information to undermine Apple considering Apple and Intel are now enemies.

Either way, I won't be upgrading until iPhone 16 Pro Max. My X still works surprisingly well.
 

Spidder

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Cost cutting with "reduced efficiency" is not "Pro" 😢

The "lesser" N3E node will be used for the iPhone 16/Plus A17 in 2024, while the 15 Pro/Max will get the better N3B. The A18 in the 16 Pro/Max will likely get the N3P node, which is an updated N3E.

A16 in 15/Plus = N4P
A17 (original design) in 15 Pro/Max = N3B

A17 (redesigned) in 16/Plus = N3E
A18 in 16 Pro/Max = N3P
 
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