Apple Reportedly Plans to Cut Price of iPhone XR in Japan Due to Poor Sales and Restart iPhone X Production

[Baymowe335]

I don't know much about the Netherlands but your assertion is incorrect. iPhone market share over there is 34% and it's below Samsung's share.

Source

Even if we take your data, that still means iPhone is likely the most popular single phone. Samsung makes so many different types, it's not like those are all Galaxies. I realize iPhone has many models, but they are all still iPhones. A J8 and a Note 9 are too different.

Plus, your data shows Samsung lost share in 2018 and Apple gaining, so not really telling a bad story either.

My source says 41%. I am using OS share.

http://gs.statcounter.com/os-market-share/mobile/netherlands

Either way, the story is the same.

 

[Uofmtiger]

My personal issue is the cost/benefit doesn’t make sense for me when compared to my iPhone 7+. The XR has only one lens ( I use both on the 7+) and the screen isn’t 1080 like the iPhone 7+. I will live with the chin and forehead another year. However, I also like touchID, so why spend the extra money? I was interested in the max, which is a nice upgrade, but the price is getting ridiculous once you add more memory.

I love Apple products, but these rising prices are making me upgrade at a much slower interval. I bought a watch, HomePod and Mac Mini this year, but I was replacing my iPhone yearly and my iPad every couple of years.

At these prices, and the lack of really beneficial features for my needs, those upgrades are being extended to every three or four years. I have other things that make more sense in my yearly budget than upgrades that don’t add nearly as much value as their cost. I will eventually end up with a new iPad and iPhone, but it won’t be this year.

 

[cola79]

For me the high prices don’t justify a purchase anymore. I use my SE and just replaced the battery, and it just runs as snappy as when i bought it two and a half years ago. This little phone is all i need and the price was just fair.

I would buy it again if it still was in production. Maybe i buy another iPhone in the future, but i would not spend more than 300€ for a brand new iPhone.

My friends and coworkers mostly got iPhones, but this year nobody upgraded again. They all stuck on iPhone 7 or below, and all say they see no reason to upgrade.

I guess the only way for Apple is to lower their prices by 40%, or most customers will walk away and get an Android. Friends got Xiaomi phones, and the experience is much alike to my SE, but these phones cost just 150€.

There is no market for yearly upgrades that cost ten times more than the competiton. Even lower middle class phones can do basic things like camera, browsing, emails and messaging just fine.

I wonder how Apple wants to sell his newly promoted tv shows and music, when they stop people from using their phones?

Without an iPhone nobody will think about additional hardware like Apple tv or HomePod.

The only affordable product they have is the iPad, but even there they shift to higher prices.

Like in it’s past, Apple loses contact to the market again. They still think their grotesque prices are justified, ignoring that their products are nothing special anymore. And the yearly upgrade is just boring, since technically a new processor and camera is not needed anymore. There is nobody asking for that anymore.

Apple should make one iPhone for a price around 500 and make the battery changeable. And then just upgrade all 4 years or if a groundbreaking new technology justifies it.

They are the only ones offering software updates for 5 years, but they don’t work with that.

 

[Gilligan's last elephant]

Samsung makes so many different types, it's not like those are all Galaxies. I realize iPhone has many models, but they are all still iPhones. A J8 and a Note 9 are too different.
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J8 and Note 9 are both Galaxy phones.

 

[zwi]

I actually know two people who are right now shopping for an iPhone 5.

Apple seems to have totally missed the fact that there are many people who want an iOS device that does not radiate the arrogance of top level specs and pricing combined with phablet dimension and weight.

Let‘s hope Apple also realizes the importance of the MacOS base in that crisis which will not easily be resolved.

 

[tkermit]

For me the high prices don’t justify a purchase anymore. I use my SE and just replaced the battery, and it just runs as snappy as when i bought it two and a half years ago. This little phone is all i need and the price was just fair.

I could see the SE easily being usable for another 5 years. And many will probably choose to do so unless Apple offers them an attractive upgrade path.

 

[Cosmosent]

NO ONE should be surprised if AAPL announces, BEFORE the market opens on Monday, that Tim Cook has stepped-down as CEO of AAPL !

 

[I7guy]

NO ONE should be surprised if AAPL announces, BEFORE the market opens on Monday, that Tim Cook has stepped-down as CEO of AAPL !

What’s the probably if that? Smaller than hitting the lottery twice in a row?

 

[Baymowe335]

For me the high prices don’t justify a purchase anymore. I use my SE and just replaced the battery, and it just runs as snappy as when i bought it two and a half years ago. This little phone is all i need and the price was just fair.

I would buy it again if it still was in production. Maybe i buy another iPhone in the future, but i would not spend more than 300€ for a brand new iPhone.

My friends and coworkers mostly got iPhones, but this year nobody upgraded again. They all stuck on iPhone 7 or below, and all say they see no reason to upgrade.

I guess the only way for Apple is to lower their prices by 40%, or most customers will walk away and get an Android. Friends got Xiaomi phones, and the experience is much alike to my SE, but these phones cost just 150€.

There is no market for yearly upgrades that cost ten times more than the competiton. Even lower middle class phones can do basic things like camera, browsing, emails and messaging just fine.

I wonder how Apple wants to sell his newly promoted tv shows and music, when they stop people from using their phones?

Without an iPhone nobody will think about additional hardware like Apple tv or HomePod.

The only affordable product they have is the iPad, but even there they shift to higher prices.

Like in it’s past, Apple loses contact to the market again. They still think their grotesque prices are justified, ignoring that their products are nothing special anymore. And the yearly upgrade is just boring, since technically a new processor and camera is not needed anymore. There is nobody asking for that anymore.

Apple should make one iPhone for a price around 500 and make the battery changeable. And then just upgrade all 4 years or if a groundbreaking new technology justifies it.

They are the only ones offering software updates for 5 years, but they don’t work with that.

Yeah, their strategy hasn’t worked or anything, growing revenue by 20% and eps by 41% last quarter, making $60B in net profit in 2018, and being the most profitable company in the world b over 2X. No data shows they are struggling.

Yet you have the winning strategy? Lol...they already ARE winning and this fake news doesn’t change that.

Stocks go up and down in the short term. I’ll wait on the numbers from Apple in January.

What you and everyone else that doesn’t pay attention miss is that this is working brilliantly and iPhones ARE huge upgrades for many buyers. People don’t upgrade every year, so many in the market for an XS have a 6 or 7 currently. You wouldn’t be so silly to say the XS isn’t a big upgrade over the 6, would you?

 

[I7guy]

J8 and Note 9 are both Galaxy phones.

Correct. There's only a $400 price difference between them.

edit: fixed typo.

 

[MacDanF]

Tim cares about maximizing profits and maximizing profits and maxim... you get the idea.

If a phone cost 700$ to make and they sell it for 1000$ , then increase the price to 1100$ that’s an increase of 33% on profits even if prices went up only 10%. Apple products were way to cheap (and still are) if you consider the large core of customers that will not buy another brand. I myself way back paid my Harley bike 18K when i could have got a Japanese’s bike probably as good for around 10. As a stock holder i am not afraid. Even if sales units are down 20%, the price hikes means the usual 38% profits margin will go through the roof. They still have at least 3 probably 4 years of record earnings ahead even if gross sales stagnate before they reach the equilibrium in the supply and demand that will maximize profits.

 

[ikramerica]

Everyone I know who bought an iPhone this season bought an XR. No one could justify the price of an XS but even though I recommended the 8+ for a host of reasons they went with the XR.

 

[Bacillus]

Since you have a propensity to edit your posts after the fact, I went ahead and quoted your entire post for posterity, and so you can look back on it with fondness when you're sober.

That feature probably exists to make some replies less void/stoplap
As for your lying claims: who was lying and were's the proof that these references were all wrong (or is it just your talking that is outright fluff ?)

Wired
Apple amends warranty advice following £750,000 fine
EU plans stronger consumer law enforcement after Apple warranty case
The European Commission is frustrated that its member states have on the most part failed to take action against Apple for flouting EU law, and warns that enforcement must be actioned in order to protect the rights of ordinary citizens.

ZDNet
EU plans stronger consumer law enforcement after Apple warranty case
The European Commission is frustrated that its member states have on the most part failed to take action against Apple for flouting EU law, and warns that enforcement must be actioned in order to protect the rights of ordinary citizens.

SlashDot
"Apple has adapted its warranty to cover 2 years, under pressure of the European Union and after European consumer organizations sued Apple. From the article: 'The warranty conditions have been changed and these changes can be found on the website of Apple. Products that are purchased on the website of the manufacturer or in stores are now under warranty for two years, as it is required by the EU warranty guidelines. However, the warranty for Apple products that have been purchased elsewhere will not change and they will only be given a limited one-year warranty.'"

ArsTechnica
EU still unhappy with Apple over silence on two-year warranty
The EU's Viviane Reding says Apple's efforts are "simply not good enough."

 

[thering1975]

So it appears the rumour may of been correct as per this article as the price via carrier has dropped by $100 / 2 yr contract

https://9to5mac.com/2018/11/26/iphone-xr-price-drop-japan/

 

[Wilderness-1902]

I have no doubt that in CPU intensive tasks an A chip will always win, but that has to do with the chips not the OS. When an android can't beat an A series chip in simple tasks, I tend to believe that the issue is iOS.

GeekBench is tuned for Ax CPU so that Ax will not throttle or little throttle during their test. I don't trust GeekBench results. So I don't think Ax CPU's can beat desktop CPUs at full workload, even for dual core i3

 

[tromboneaholic]

So it appears the rumour may of been correct as per this article as the price via carrier has dropped by $100 / 2 yr contract

https://9to5mac.com/2018/11/26/iphone-xr-price-drop-japan/

From what I can tell, it's a $100 subsidy over 2 years paid by one carrier in Japan.
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GeekBench is tuned for Ax CPU so that Ax will not throttle or little throttle during their test. I don't trust GeekBench results. So I don't think Ax CPU's can beat desktop CPUs at full workload, even for dual core i3

Make it a Quad core i7 in a fan-less enclosure vs Apple A12 in a fan-less, and my money is on Apple's silicone...

 

[cola79]

Yeah, their strategy hasn’t worked or anything, growing revenue by 20% and eps by 41% last quarter, making $60B in net profit in 2018, and being the most profitable company in the world b over 2X. No data shows they are struggling.

Yet you have the winning strategy? Lol...they already ARE winning and this fake news doesn’t change that.

Stocks go up and down in the short term. I’ll wait on the numbers from Apple in January.

What you and everyone else that doesn’t pay attention miss is that this is working brilliantly and iPhones ARE huge upgrades for many buyers. People don’t upgrade every year, so many in the market for an XS have a 6 or 7 currently. You wouldn’t be so silly to say the XS isn’t a big upgrade over the 6, would you?

Your problem is, you can read numbers but you can’t do the maths.

Numbers from the past are meaningless for the future of a company. Just look at Nokia and their numbers.

And it doesn’t matter if the phones got better specs, it matters if the customers feel the upgrade is worth it. And based on this it is not necessary to upgrade for the majority of Apple customers. That was different years ago.

It’s not about money, billions stay billions, no ultra rich went poor throughout the history.

But Apple will lose it’s relevance for the User. And this affects almost all their other activities, like payments, streaming and app sales.

To maintain all that, you need customers. The limited access will make them burn money, not earn it.

If they don’t make the shift to budget phones, they are gone within 5 years.

 

[Baymowe335]

Your problem is, you can read numbers but you can’t do the maths.

Numbers from the past are meaningless for the future of a company. Just look at Nokia and their numbers.

And it doesn’t matter if the phones got better specs, it matters if the customers feel the upgrade is worth it. And based on this it is not necessary to upgrade for the majority of Apple customers. That was different years ago.

It’s not about money, billions stay billions, no ultra rich went poor throughout the history.

But Apple will lose it’s relevance for the User. And this affects almost all their other activities, like payments, streaming and app sales.

To maintain all that, you need customers. The limited access will make them burn money, not earn it.

If they don’t make the shift to budget phones, they are gone within 5 years.

Show me the math.

After your first sentence, you're speculating, and comparing Apple to companies that aren't the same.

Then you use a bunch of generalities that mean nothing.

Show me DATA to back up your statements or stop responding.

Apple is "gone" in 5 years unless they make budget phones? LOL!

 

[tromboneaholic]

Numbers from the past are meaningless for the future of a company./QUOTE]

"The latest survey of US consumers from 451 Research indicates customer satisfaction of 98% for iPhone X, iPhone 8 and iPhone 8 Plus combined, and among business buyers who plan to purchase smartphones in the December quarter, 80% plan to purchase iPhones."

 

[Wilderness-1902]

Wrong. iOS doesn't multitask and doesn't hold more apps in memory with less RAM. Read the developer docs on iOS background execution and app state handling.

Yes, this is the one of reasons why iOS cannot be an OS for productivity.

 

[Khedron]

They are all still iPhone, made by the same company. You can’t say the same about Samsung. Google, LG, OnePlus, Xiaomi, and Huawei.

What does the matter? You mean that competition with Android devices means their phones follow standards and are easier to support, whereas Apple as the only iOS company is able to unilaterally deny access to features like NFC and photo depth?

 

[Baymowe335]

What does the matter? You mean that competition with Android devices means their phones follow standards and are easier to support, whereas Apple as the only iOS company is able to unilaterally deny access to features like NFC and photo depth?

It doesn’t matter...iPhone is still the most popular phone in Netherlands was the point, and it is.

 

[MacDanF]

Your problem is, you can read numbers but you can’t do the maths.

Numbers from the past are meaningless for the future of a company. Just look at Nokia and their numbers.

And it doesn’t matter if the phones got better specs, it matters if the customers feel the upgrade is worth it. And based on this it is not necessary to upgrade for the majority of Apple customers. That was different years ago.

It’s not about money, billions stay billions, no ultra rich went poor throughout the history.

But Apple will lose it’s relevance for the User. And this affects almost all their other activities, like payments, streaming and app sales.

To maintain all that, you need customers. The limited access will make them burn money, not earn it.

If they don’t make the shift to budget phones, they are gone within 5 years.

I say it's much better to concentrate on customers that will let you earn a big payoff -and there is a lot off them-. That's what luxury brands do. Since it as become apparent in the past 2 years they will not be able to compete in the Asian markets if they keep prices low i assume it's the bet they are making to keep earnings up, until Cook retires anyway.

They could go ahead with half the customers they have if they more than double the profit$ by customer ratio. I am not saying they will loose as many, personnaly among the ones i know it will take a lot more price increases before they consider Android or Windows.

 

[tromboneaholic]

Since it as become apparent in the past 2 years they will not be able to compete in the Asian markets if they keep prices low i assume it's the bet they are making to keep earnings up, until Cook retires anyway.

From Apple's most recent earnings call:

"We sold 46.9 million iPhones during the quarter, with growth of 20% or more in several markets, including Japan, Australia, New Zealand, Sweden Norway, Chile, and Vietnam."

 

[iMEric984]

Wrong. iOS doesn't multitask and doesn't hold more apps in memory with less RAM. Read the developer docs on iOS background execution and app state handling.

Why doesn’t it multi task?? iOS on iPad has split screen. App testing and memory management is better on iOS via iPhone XS and Max. It’s been proven in testing to keep more apps open in memory over other android phones with 6-8 GB of ram. Everyone knows android is more power and ram hungry.