Yes! Give ne a subscription service within 10$ a month if a comparable netflix and I'll take 2. I been looking at the seagate or roku boxes...all we want us netflix and YouTube and maybe sine widgets for weather and news....
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Yes! Give ne a subscription service within 10$ a month if a comparable netflix and I'll take 2. I been looking at the seagate or roku boxes...all we want us netflix and YouTube and maybe sine widgets for weather and news....
If the new AppleTV can use apps such as Air Video and Netflix, then I'll be interested. I won't mind the 16GB flash memory.
I ripped all my dvds to my harddrive and am in the process of converting them to MP4 with an MKV package.
Lets not assume things now.
Half way there
Apple never jumps in to anything with both feet. We'll see iTunes become a music streaming service way before we see video streaming. They are methodical and deliberate with every product release and innovation. I don't expect Apple TV streaming until summer 2011 assuming we see the music streaming announcement in November.
Apple never jumps in to anything with both feet. We'll see iTunes become a music streaming service way before we see video streaming. They are methodical and deliberate with every product release and innovation. I don't expect Apple TV streaming until summer 2011 assuming we see the music streaming announcement in November.
I get that it's a hobby for Apple, and for some people who haven't already gotten into other digital TV peripheral solutions (PVRs, PS3/XBox) this might make sense. But speaking for myself - I don't need yet another stand-alone device connected to my television. If an Apple device is going to take a spot under my television, it has to replace one of the existing devices because those already offer most (or all) of the same functionality. Plus the AppleTV has limitations that, say, my Tivo doesn't have - you can't watch or time-shift a baseball game with Apple TV, but I can record and/or rent and/or stream TV shows and movies on the Tivo.
You left out "for only $99 a month"
For me, I'll keep all my stuff where I can get to it FOR FREE. That's why God created storage. =P
Also, there have been NMT's for years and much cheaper than this, AND at 1080P. Even Western Digital has one of these, plus you can hook up an external drive whenever you like. Once again, Apple is "guiding" us to pay for their services rather than what's best for the consumer.
The "Cloud" will be the most controlled, monitored, censored thing ever conceived by big businesses.
I'm excited to see a new iteration of the Apple TV in the works, and see signs of support for my dream feature; a TV app store, but I want to know more about some of the details of some of what was mentioned.
Offline storage is huge for me: I like being able to sync movies to my iPhone and watch them on a plane even when I don't have an internet connection. I want to preserve that capability for all my current and future content! I certainly don't want to purchase the ability to only stream a movie!
The news that I can use a "Time Capsule" to locally store some content is good news and I hope that means I can still download local copies of content in the future, but I hope that streaming from iTunes will still be supported!
I wouldn't mind buying a Time Capsule, mind you, but it has some deal-killing limitations to me.
First, it's crazy expensive for a 2 TB model. Too much to justify the cost of increased storage. Second, its disk isn't redundant. If I have $1000 worth of content (I do), I want it backed up to more than one disk.
On a related point, a Time Capsule isn't expandable like some other NAS devices. I want the ability to pop in an extra disk (or replace a failing one) similar to a MediaSmart server or Drobo.
I'm cautiously optimistic that Apple's design will address these concerns. I'm hoping local content can still be downloaded, and that the Apple TV will stream through iTunes as it does now, so I can use whatever storage I want.
We'll see how this shakes out. I can't wait till September!
Offline storage is huge for me: I like being able to sync movies to my iPhone and watch them on a plane even when I don't have an internet connection. I want to preserve that capability for all my current and future content! I certainly don't want to purchase the ability to only stream a movie!
The news that I can use a "Time Capsule" to locally store some content is good news and I hope that means I can still download local copies of content in the future, but I hope that streaming from iTunes will still be supported!
I wouldn't mind buying a Time Capsule, mind you, but it has some deal-killing limitations to me.
First, it's crazy expensive for a 2 TB model. Too much to justify the cost of increased storage. Second, its disk isn't redundant. If I have $1000 worth of content (I do), I want it backed up to more than one disk.
On a related point, a Time Capsule isn't expandable like some other NAS devices. I want the ability to pop in an extra disk (or replace a failing one) similar to a MediaSmart server or Drobo.
I'm cautiously optimistic that Apple's design will address these concerns. I'm hoping local content can still be downloaded, and that the Apple TV will stream through iTunes as it does now, so I can use whatever storage I want.
We'll see how this shakes out. I can't wait till September!
Well recording and storing locally is free, and not all content is in the cloud. DVR's are by far not dead
Techies might be willing to cancel their cable and stream content from the cloud, but the vast majority of people see TV as a passive experience.
Read these recent article from The Economist.
http://www.economist.com/specialreports/displaystory.cfm?story_id=15980859
http://www.economist.com/specialreports/displaystory.cfm?story_id=15980817
While the technology is there to go find stuff and watch it, it turns out most people are lazy when it comes to TV, and just want to watch "what's on".
There is still a big place for broadcast TV. It's not going away any time soon. Whether it's broadcast over the airwaves, over cable, or over the internet, does not really make a difference as long as it's easy and passive. Content creators need to make money, which means paying for shows or watching advertisements.
People do not want to pay to watch TV every night. They do not want to make a conscious decision each night to pay $2 to watch a couple of shows before bed, or pay $1-2 if their kids want to watch something. So the model will undoubtedly be an unlimited monthly subscription model just like cable. With ads.
It's just ironic Apple does this a week after Google TV is announced. I have no idea of the time frame and relative vaporware-ishness of each project, it just looks bad from a headline point of view. I'm sure Apple will do it right.
Funny thing is... That's illegal too.
There was a actually either a court case or FBI announcement that stated that technically violating the DRM for something that you have purchased and plan on solely backing up for the distinction of protection from damage or overuse(as long as it is not reproduced for others) does not violate the DRM.
Most people want to watch movies on larger TV screens...plus, it's not meant to be a mobile solution and will require wifi
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Yes, but....
Of course that's true but when I had an Apple TV I didn't have a standalone computer at the time that could be on 24/7 ready to stream at a moments notice. Not only that, even if I had the computer I don't like leaving computers on when I'm not using them. It's a waste of electricity and it shortens the life span of the components. Plus my wife is not particularly computer savvy so turning the standalone on and off and making sure iTunes opens, etc. etc. was not an option either.
The Apple TV is an interesting device but because Apple treats it as a hobby, the device feels like a hobbyists toy. It's an incomplete product because it can't stand alone. What would probably get me to reconsider the product if the streaming possibility was not on the horizon is if they add native support for external HD. Then, maybe, I'd reconsider switching from a Mac Mini back to an AppleTV.
You don't have to sync anything to theTV. You can simply connect it to an iTunes library (or libraries, if you have more than one), and stream the content to it wired or wirelessly from that device. That's how I do it. In fact, the only reason I didn't buy a larger hard drive was because the hard drive only ever gets used for cacheing rentals in this configuration.
Of course that's true but when I had an Apple TV I didn't have a standalone computer at the time that could be on 24/7 ready to stream at a moments notice. Not only that, even if I had the computer I don't like leaving computers on when I'm not using them. It's a waste of electricity and it shortens the life span of the components. Plus my wife is not particularly computer savvy so turning the standalone on and off and making sure iTunes opens, etc. etc. was not an option either.
The Apple TV is an interesting device but because Apple treats it as a hobby, the device feels like a hobbyists toy. It's an incomplete product because it can't stand alone. What would probably get me to reconsider the product if the streaming possibility was not on the horizon is if they add native support for external HD. Then, maybe, I'd reconsider switching from a Mac Mini back to an AppleTV.
Who said anything about $99 a month. article says $99 for device Youtube should be free. We will see what is unveiled. May get a time capsule if that is the case. I need to rip all my DVD's as well. But I already have 100's of home movies, videos, etc on a mybook hard drive.
If it is $99 a month - no sell for me, that is why I got rid of my satellite. $99 for the device, and stream from my DSL from ABC/ NBC /CBS /hulu / joost (right of fthe internet), or stream from my hard drive / time capsule - then that is ok with me.
Otherwise - I may be also looking into a mac-mini server.
I'm confused about the form factor. Do they expect it to be around the size & weight of an iPhone? Smaller is generally better in consumer electronics, but that's a strange size for a home device; bump the cable and you'd probably send the device flying..
If it's meant to be portable, then why? Are people going to carry a streaming device around with them?
To me, it seems like we're still missing a piece of the puzzle.
If it's meant to be portable, then why? Are people going to carry a streaming device around with them?
To me, it seems like we're still missing a piece of the puzzle.
The TV box market is not very big, nor is it particularly profitable. However, the story would be very different for Apple because of iTunes. The money isn't in the hardware, it's in the content. Though that gives me some hope the story is true, it seems this is another analyst speculation which 9/10 times turn out to be wrong.
It would be a nice companion device for the iPhone/iPad/iPod Touch that allows you to run your app on the big screen. It can play games, support all your iPad and iPhone apps and do all those other things that Apple TV did.
It would be the Google TV killer.
It would be the Google TV killer.
Actually I would love the idea of paying $99 for the device, being able to stream right from the internet (ABC, NBC, CBS, JOOST, HULU, YOUTUBE) all for free using my DSL I have now. Plus have the device have a couple of USB's to just plug in my external hard drives that already have video on them. Of course streaming from time capsule would be nice too - would just have to move all my content over.
The player needs to use VLC player for external content. This is because of all the different video formats. It is going to take me about a month to conver al my AVI, VMV, MOV, M4P, ASF, FLV, SWF etc to apple's latest format for front row. Some will not even play in VLC due to a special codec that was used - for thoe I have to use SWF and FLV player (damn flash).
Are we really having this same discussion again? Apologies, if you weren't around or missed those exchanges, but we've discussed this ad nauseum.
This is like the Flash argument, but 4 years later (which is when the device was announced). It's not a tuner, it's something you stream stuff to, which hooks up to your television. If you need a DVR, hook an EyeTV (or something similar) to your computer, record it and then stream it to this device.
I love my AppleTV. Next to my iMac, it's the one device I use more than anything else. I got rid of cable (and the cable bill) because of it, and haven't for one minute regretted it. The biggest benefit - I am no longer subjected to those annoying psychological manipulations every few minutes in a television programme (i.e. commercials). Life is so wonderful with advertisements!
This is pretty great news on several fronts. Convergence of platforms to A4 and iPOS4 is one significant fact. WWDC Q&A can include any AppleTV questions developers might have and if Apple will be doing some kind of SDK or extensions for ATV, they will be privately informed then.
The price point means adoption will be wide, perhaps one at each TV. The cloud access was a given and client-server thin client is clearly here, although even an iPhone format Apple TV has a bunch "thicker" capacity that "thin clients" from the 80's and 90's.
I suspect this will obsolete products like ATV Flash unless they somehow migrate some of those capabilities to ATV2.
Interesting times.
Rocketman
The price point means adoption will be wide, perhaps one at each TV. The cloud access was a given and client-server thin client is clearly here, although even an iPhone format Apple TV has a bunch "thicker" capacity that "thin clients" from the 80's and 90's.
I suspect this will obsolete products like ATV Flash unless they somehow migrate some of those capabilities to ATV2.
Interesting times.
Rocketman
Just a guess here but I'd say this project has been under way for quit a while. During his "tenure" on Apple board Eric Schmidt was probably privy to this information and his huge hatred for Apple shows by his android tv stuff. He knew Apple was going to do this so he decided to throw a wrench in the gears and introduce his version of this. The only problem with him is he does not have the visionary skills that Steve Jobs has.