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I don't know specifically, but I suspect it is, otherwise it wouldn't have survived for so long.

I pay for it, but after this year, who knows. I'm really not enthralled with Amazon and their Thursday night games, and anything else would probably be similar. Streaming sucks when your internet provider isn't that reliable. I have XFinity, 3 times in on game yesterday bandwidth slowed to a crawl, making the game visuals about like a stretched 10x12 screen on a 55 inch TV. Unwatchable. I much prefer watching NFL ticket on DirecTV.
It was the savior for DTV. A incredible amount of DTV subscribers came to them only because of ST.
 
Good. Apple's trying to help them get to a modern revenue stream, and they're stuck in the past. Linear TV - especially relying on cable-only channels/packages is a sure path to a declining fan base.

Normally I detest the cable companies, but when I see someone like comcast refusing to force all their subscribers to pay for a regional sports network (and thus raise rates for everyone), I'm 100% behind them.

Now all we need is true a la carte for every channel - even the streaming packages like hulu live still bundle 100 garbage channels with the 10 (different for everyone) that you want. let the market work - bad channels/teams/sports should live or die on their own merits.
 
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With Apple now out, who's going to now win? Amazon and Disney are now in the bidding, thanks to their extensive streaming experience. Or will AT&T come back with a last-minute bid and keep Sunday Ticket on DirecTV?
I read Disney bowed out too and its now Google and Amazon.
 
The NFL is a money-hungry monster that will one day consume itself.
Local Blackout restrictions are a joke (thank goodness for VPNs).

Elon Musk likes to spend money. I wonder if he's ever considered getting the rights to stream games on Twitter Blue?
 
Why would the NFL or any major sports negotiate with anyone. Today, there is No limit to how much fans are willing to pay. Where there is demand with blank checks, take or leave it the only statement that needs to be made. That takes all of ten seconds.
 
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Media right pricing for the sports industry is getting ridiculous. Networks paying stupid amounts of money and expecting just to pass the bill along to us with a profit attached. I’ve decided to draw a line in the sand and say enough. I have missed out on some events or shows that I may have watched but in the end, no big deal.
 
NFL is a dinosaur. All these games are being aired on local networks so there is zero cost to broadcast these games via Apple streaming. I would sign up instantly to Apple TV+ at $6.99 a month for NFL football. Why should I be forced to watch my local NFL team and not the team I follow just because of geography? NFL I will not pay you $300 for that. The NFL can get SOME money or NONE as people will stick with the illegal streaming sites for free, which will never be shut down.
 
Good. Apple's trying to help them get to a modern revenue stream, and they're stuck in the past. Linear TV - especially relying on cable-only channels/packages is a sure path to a declining fan base.

Normally I detest the cable companies, but when I see someone like comcast refusing to force all their subscribers to pay for a regional sports network (and thus raise rates for everyone), I'm 100% behind them.

Now all we need is true a la carte for every channel - even the streaming packages like hulu live still bundle 100 garbage channels with the 10 (different for everyone) that you want. let the market work - bad channels/teams/sports should live or die on their own merits.
Even if it wasn't a la carte to the channel, at least have sports in its own bucket. Sports always spike the price of Live TV streaming
 
Why would the NFL or any major sports negotiate with anyone. Today, there is No limit to how much fans are willing to pay. Where there is demand with blank checks, take or leave it the only statement that needs to be made. That takes all of ten seconds.
Exactly, and this everything anymore. My MIL's friend is the nicest woman, but my MIL says she will go to the store and not even care what prices are. This is what drives inflation. Doesn't matter as much for sports and tech, but it matters when nobody tries to do anything about food prices. Even gas is less than it was when it started spiking. They went after the oil companies. Why do they do nothing about people driving groceries. Eggs and butter are $7. Cheese is like $5. I see signs that say something is a sale and almost drop to the flloor laughing
 
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Rights go for a lot because sports fans are engaged. In a way, they subsidize TV for the Rest of Us.

Streaming ad CPMs are pretty lame compared to broadcast CPMs, because advertisers believe broadcast CPMs are more valuable. We'll see what happens when all the current generation of ad people die off.
 
Good, enygh money us being wasted on sports rights by traditional broadcasters,we don't need streaming services wasting their money as wall and inflating prices even more
 
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I have had NFL Sunday ticket for many years on DirecTV. What I liked is that I DVR the games, and don't start watching them until about 30 or more minutes in. This way I can click 5 times to forward fast through the ads at each time out. I can save the games I want to watch again, and can quickly move back or up on a saved game.

I find the streaming of Thursday's games on Amazon a much worse experience. Harder to skip over ads, and if I start watching after the kickoff, I need to spend 10 minutes getting past the pregame show. I can't save a game to watch over again weeks later.
 
Apple obviously wanted to get this, so if they quit, its almost certainly because the NFL was asking way too much and putting way too many restrictions on things. Good on Apple for saying nope, can't do that.

The NFL organization is something that exists principally to make the teams ~36(?) super rich owners as much money as possible, so probably not a bad thing they didn't get whatever outrageous amounts they were asking for.
You have 10 teams paying their QB over $35million a year. Tennessee is paying Ryan Tannehill $29million for gods sake. It's not just the owners who are getting rich.
 
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In contrast, restrictions on the NFL Sunday Ticket package deal would have included local blackouts and no global rights. Pricing is also said to have been a sticking point, with Apple wanting to fold Sunday Ticket access into the $6.99 cost of an Apple TV+ subscription.

Actually, it was after MLS deal that Apple said

“NO MORE”


To accepting deals that requires Apple to charge additional add ons to existing paid service, because they did not want their users to pay more, and more importantly to protect Steve Job’s legacy.

Not to mention, according to anonymous industrial rumors, Apple had more sticking point, including having larger role in NFL RedZone coverage (not only one limited to Sunday Ticket, but to one that Scott Hansen hosts for all cable packages) and NFL Network’s exclusive games, if they were to come to agreement with NFL’s part of the deal.

Of course, League being greedy as #%*£ said no, and Apple abruptly walked away apparently over the weekend. Apple even had keynote segment recorded for their September, the cancelled October keynote (which was supposed to tie into the new Apple TV) and even WWDC keynote should final agreement come to.

So NFL essentially lost out big time, and now league is basically scrambling to either get Google or Amazon involved into Sunday ticket (latter has TNF deal, but don’t know if they are willing to take up more obligations. Plus Amazon also wants to not charge additional fee for Sunday Ticket to annual Prime members, but if league is not budging on that, then Google might be only option left, but that may mean it’s exclusive to those with YouTube TV, and I know that will not sit well with cable tv subscribers, having to pay $60 for that, then Sunday ticket on top of that.

Worst case scenario: NFL extend the deal with DirecTV for one more year to try to buy time.

In the end, NFL messed up big time, and I’m glad Apple said NO to save Steve Job’s legacy.
 
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The new owners are going to shut down the satellite service in a few years.


AT&T had already put DirecTV on that path several years ago. There was really nothing the new 'owners' could do to change that much. (maybe some wiggle room +/- a couple of years, but that ship sailed ).

Pragmatically, that was path was settled when AT&T grossly overpaid for DirecTV. After that it was just a matter of 'when' when broadcast internet and other factors would accelerate the shutdown.

And they are not going to expend any money improving the service.

They are going to have to spend something because little chance can compete in the streaming space with a rigid fixed set of hardware and calcified software.

Even if they want to transition folks off of satellite boxes onto terrestrial ground level internet streaming boxes that will cost money.

When they decouple the customer service support portal from AT&T that will cost money too. ( Getting away from AT&T support/sales folks is a huge opportunity to 'do better'. )


I have been a subscriber since the beginning, but this is what caused me to decide that it was time to go. I moved on to the same place they’re moving on to, streaming. This is why they didn’t want to pay for the elevated price that the NFL wants. DTV paid a billion dollars a year and everyone thought they were insane.

DTV was up to $1.5B over the last several years.

https://www.fiercevideo.com/cable/directv-and-nfl-ink-sunday-ticket-deal-8-years-at-1-5b-per-year



Now the NFL wants three billion. And they just pissed off the only company who can play in those terms.

Only ones? Not hardly. Amazon paid $0.750-1 Billion for one game per week.


More TV timeouts and more commercial at higher $/min rates in longer blocks .
 
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NFL is a dinosaur. All these games are being aired on local networks so there is zero cost to broadcast these games via Apple streaming. I would sign up instantly to Apple TV+ at $6.99 a month for NFL football. Why should I be forced to watch my local NFL team and not the team I follow just because of geography? NFL I will not pay you $300 for that. The NFL can get SOME money or NONE as people will stick with the illegal streaming sites for free, which will never be shut down.
A dinosaur they might be, but it is a large, lucrative one. There is no other sports league even remotely the same in terms of profit and revenue. It is the king and it ain’t close.

Edited to add: just see the post above mine LOL. It’s crazy how much money the league makes.
 
Exactly, and this everything anymore. My MIL's friend is the nicest woman, but my MIL says she will go to the store and not even care what prices are. This is what drives inflation. Doesn't matter as much for sports and tech, but it matters when nobody tries to do anything about food prices. Even gas is less than it was when it started spiking. They went after the oil companies. Why do they do nothing about people driving groceries. Eggs and butter are $7. Cheese is like $5. I see signs that say something is a sale and almost drop to the flloor laughing
Energy costs drive most of that - ignore gasoline prices, they're somewhat manipulated by political factors. Look at DIESEL prices, since most of the production and distribution chain runs on diesel fuel.
 
I have never heard that term, its probably a joke.
"Handegg" is indeed a joke, intended to poke fun at the fact that except for a couple of plays per game, people use their hands instead of the feet to kick the ball, which is egg-shaped instead of round. Usually in good fun, but as with any joke, can be used too obnoxiously by some.
 
Either Amazon or Google. 🤷🏼‍♂️

Could be just the NFL.


https://www.nfl.com/news/nfl-launches-exclusive-streaming-subscription-service-nfl


Drop the "Middle man" and do it themselves (well actually hiring an outsourcing contractor to do most of the work).

'Burying' the additional price they want to charge inside of a base service doesn't make much sense. ( in Prime cost or baseline Apple services cost ) .

It would be better all around if the costs were more direct. Now when CBS/NBC/ABC want to jack up local broadcast fees to in part for sky high sports content... they try to deflect blame on Comcast/Dish/DirecTV. ( Mean live TV service vendor is trying to 'take away' your NFL game ... call them and complain.). When it is largely really players and NFL have jacked up the prices of broadcasting the games much higher and just passing it along.

Why Apple (or Google or Amazon) would want to give NFL (or other sports league) shelter from their direct inflationary cost increases I have no clue. ? Chasing after sports stuff with these 'affordable' yearly subscription fees for recorded content is likely ruinous in the long term.

All of this super extensive content bundling is bad. Making people pay for high cost stuff they don't watch ... eventually catches up and causes problems.
 
Energy costs drive most of that - ignore gasoline prices, they're somewhat manipulated by political factors. Look at DIESEL prices, since most of the production and distribution chain runs on diesel fuel.
Yea that's my other question. Why is 87 down to like $3.50, but diesel sits at $5.50 forever? And why do they ignore diesel. I'm more peeved about food being up. You could always walk ot mass transit, but you need to eat.
 
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