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Apple needs to be aiming the price at the price of foldables. Not too much that people can’t buy them. Anywhere from 1500 to 1800 would be fine

That was the purpose of the avp I suppose. To make people think 1500-1800 is fine. I remember before avp and meta increased prices on quest 3 to 500. Many balked at that.
 
The problem isn't bringing the price down, but what sort of sacrifices need to be made in order to reach that price point. Apple most certainly isn't going to sell it at a loss. If you end up neutering the product to the point where it's no better than the other VR headsets on the market, then what's the point?

Not to mention the avp cost is 2k in mats. Apple sells for 3500 in markup.

To sell this for 1500 will take some imagination.
 
It’s a shame that all the Vision Pro 1 buyers have been left stuck with an expensive lemon with little hope that their needs will be addressed anytime soon.

I’m sure the avp buyers are happy doing what it does. Or they’d have return it.
 
I'll bet you if it were more affordable, say the cost of an iPhone or MacBook Air, you'd buy one and the demand would be high.
Nope. Not even interested. If I was interested in VR I'd have the Meta Quest of some manner. The Quest 2 current starting price is $199. Seriously. Apple isn't even in the same universe. I work for an all Mac school district so I have everything Apple. Nobody here is even curious about the Vision Pro.
 
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Makes sense. Meta is killing it in the VR market. Since the Vision Pro launch Meta has updated the quest 3 to perform even closer to the Vision Pro all for only 499 and with a huge library of games and software. They will be launching a quest 3s this year with the same power as the quest 3 but the lenses from the quest 2 at a price of 299.

Got a Quest 2 for my kids during the holidays last year. It’s amazing for the price. Originally we used it every day for a week or so after getting it. Then it was maybe a few times a week and now it’s about once a month. We all still say wow this is awesome and amazing when we use it but we just don’t feel like making the effort to put it on our heads for a quick session. This was the problem with 3D tvs and this is the problem with VR.

Meta is getting killed you mean. It’s like our national debt. Meta has their own version.
 
Rage addicts. They flood social media hating everything. People who don’t like the strap or think it’s too heavy for them are normal users. These people feel joy from rage and exist that way about everything.

And at the other end of that spectrum? People who appear to be defending and justifying their purchase of a pointless device, not one of which has answered that "use-case" question. So far, all I've seen is "watch movies" -- for $3,500.

I get it. If I just wasted $3,500 and a bunch of people on the internet were dogging what I'd bought, I'd probably go full ad hominem on them, too, with some BS psychoanalysis thrown in for good measure.

lolol, c'mon man...

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I mean it is more than price, it is clunky looking, too large, uncomfortable for extended amounts of time, and the external battery! How can they fix all of that and still have a low(er) price point? This isn't a product I (we) need, is it? iPhone single handily changed the entire ecosystem. And large part of it is the fact it fits in my pocket and it does all the things it does well. Yes at first it didn't even have 3G and copy and paste. But the form factor wasn't the issue.

Honestly I don't see why people think AR/VR is the future. They said VR was the future when I was a teen in the 90s...they said it will be like Star Trek....it hasn't really changed since. This isn't a game changer. Another way of looking at it, I was halfway to work before realising I left my iPhone behind. I made a u-turn to get it. If someone was travelling with their Vision Pro and left it in the house and they were in the car just outside, I don't think anyone will bother going back in.
 
I don’t believe that at all. Apple would not cancel a project like this just after launching the first gen product. I’m sure that they will even release a cheaper version along with the successor of the current one.
Let me introduce you to HomePod.

Probably a similar lifecycle. Tried to make the fist gen too good and ended up pricing themselves out of the market. Introduce a cheaper model. Cancel the first gen. Reintroduce the expensive model, albeit a little bit worse.
 
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There has been a vocal subset here trashing anything/everything since Day 1. Every forum has that loud minority of posters. “We called this a failure since Day 1 and every update since will be pretzeled to reinforce that. The AVP was dead, is dead, will never be updated, v2.0 is a hoax (just got that on Reddit) has a scientifically confirmed 76% return rate and Apple has already shelved it, and you better admit we’re right.”

Rage addicts. They flood social media hating everything. People who don’t like the strap or think it’s too heavy for them are normal users. These people feel joy from rage and exist that way about everything.

The 76% told me all I need to know. His Uncle Joe knew two people out of three who returned them, so IT HAS A 66% RETURN RATE. The motive of the fellow poster and the ridiculousness of the lengths they will go to post something damaging shows how much effort needs to be put into the response.

To your point, I don’t care about buzz at this point. I literally don’t. Apple Watch had very little buzz with V0. If Pro 1 let’s them iron out kinks, expand immersive content (it’s solid so far) and build a library, get an established infrastructure in place, get a less expensive Air 1 out to users that makes improvements as well as on size and price, and then follows with a Pro 2 in the years ahead, excellent. They’re not giving up on immersive content or augmented reality. Whatever form it comes in or looks like, Apple will be there. This isn’t a one off stereo or trying to build a car when the entertainment center is all you need, or a charger that doesn’t work. One way or another, this is the future, and Apple will be there.

You fashion yourself an expert on what people want. You personally hate the AVP. That’s all good. Personally, I find it less isolating. I can lay in bed with my sleeping wife and not wake her as opposed to being a floor away. They’ll get lighter and more comfortable. I’m not worried about that.

You seem to have super secret polling that shows all consumers agree with you. Uncle Joe again?

Giant mountain of straw men that have little if anything to do with what I actually said? Not very convincing.
 
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Nope. Not even interested. If I was interested in VR I'd have the Meta Quest of some manner. The Quest 2 current starting price is $199. Seriously. Apple isn't even in the same universe. I work for an all Mac school district so I have everything Apple. Nobody here is even curious about the Vision Pro.

Exactly this ^

It’s not a price thing
It simply isn’t something most people seem to want

Apple should have known this
It was a massive whiff to release the AVP
 
So, not optimal in any realistic way.

Most people watch movies and shows together.

A big cinema screen is not the killer app for AVP.

I mean say what you want but it kind of was. 4k oled. Looked pretty amazing. Especially 3d and immersive.

I get what you’re saying but it doesn’t have to appeal to everyone. Just enough. And I think it does. Just not at 3500.

Throw in apples ecosystem and there’s definitely something there. But can apple find a path to profits at a price point people are more willing to pay is the question.

And can there be anything else besides video or bring your Mac virtual screen? Games is obvious. And since games make up most of apples app revenues it should be a bigger priority for them.
 
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And at the other end of that spectrum? People who appear to be defending and justifying their purchase of a pointless device, not one of which has answered that "use-case" question. So far, all I've seen is "watch movies" -- for $3,500.

I get it. If I just wasted $3,500 and a bunch of people on the internet were dogging what I'd bought, I'd probably go full ad hominem on them, too, with some BS psychoanalysis thrown in for good measure.

lolol, c'mon man...

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They have been listed by many users. I just listed many. The lazy response is no one has ever bought one and there are no use cases. The addiction to complaining is too strong.
 
vision is basically done for. I kept my unit after return window but it doenst actually do anything other than to watch movies/tv. Product genius really did die along with Jobs.
 
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Did I say they are? Nope.
I understand that your schtick is to make statements and then deny you ever said that, but tiring as you try to make it, you did say it. You said the general consensus is that the AVP is failing and used the comments on MR as proof.
 
vision is basically done for. I kept my unit after return window but it doenst actually do anything other than to watch movies/tv. Product genius really did die along with Jobs.
It does, but it’s your choice not to use it. Strange you would pay $3500 for a device you don’t like. The return window was well marked.

And once again, you don’t like it, so it’s dead as a product line. 😂
 
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