Apple Reportedly Suspends Work on Vision Pro 2

[MechaVice]

This is quite an exaggeration. At $500, it *would* fly off the shelf. The media would be over the moon about the insane amount of tech Apple has managed to cram into such an affordable package. Zuck in shambles instead of smug. I know I would get one just to watch movies. Everything else would be the icing on the cake.

Media might hype it up like that, but even at that price I believe actual consumers would still feel not like it's a must-have, unless they don't own a computer at all. Would they be more inclined to buy it at that price than at $3500? Yes. Would it be a smash hit? I doubt it. But assuming that the same exact AVP as currently exists does fly off the shelves at $500, I think the people who bought them would probably not end up using them very much.

If I was buying something primarily for watching movies, I'd rather get a 65" 4K TV for $300 to $500.

 

[Surf Monkey]

The snippets don’t represent all commenters. They do represent some. In any group on any forum. All of the examples I posted are word for word cut and pastes, most of them from MR. Some people come into this saying no one likes AVP, not that it is unpopular, but that no one likes it. It’s absolutely dead. That’s confirmed. It’s happened. There are no use cases for it. None. Absolutism in support of it is just as wild, but you don’t see it here.

Not how you’re characterizing it, no.

Rage addiction is my phrase.

I doubt you made it up, but that doesn’t matter. What matters is the false accusation.

Others call it something different. It does exist. There’s always a portion of active social media users who hate everything and gleefully want everything to fail.

So?

That’s not a secret and the mods are well aware of it. I’m not calling anyone names. I’m declaring a small vocal minority in every group exists.

You said more than that.

I’m not sure many would dispute that. If people want to self-identify, that’s their business. I dispute that there aren’t members here who have rage against the AVP and will trash it in every post until the next product is announced that they want to go after.

I don’t see any evidence of rage. It’s a false smear. Instead of focusing on the other members maybe let’s get back to the Vision?

 

[Surf Monkey]

That they are not compelling is part of conversation. You don’t like my argument. I don’t like yours. That’s life. We can’t always convince someone.

Whether or not you personally like my argument is of no consequence to me.

The original comment was there are no use cases and no one has ever been able to supply more than one. That’s not correct.

You better quote that. Because the argument is NOT that there are “no use cases.” Clearly there are use cases. Just not ones that are superior to existing methods and/or compelling enough to make people rush out and buy one. So you’re arguing with straw men.

 

[Surf Monkey]

Pricing aside, it's generation 1 hardware. I expected it to be heavy and possibly uncomfortable. Just like the original Apple Watch or iPad—the hardware isn't for the masses yet.

The software is the primary concern—both the operating system and app ecosystem. I can't believe they shipped VisionOS 1.0.

It's half-baked. I'd rank it below WatchOS 1.0 and that's pretty bad. When has Apple ever put features in an operating system that are just graphics that say "coming soon"? They might as well stamp EXPERIMENTAL or DEVELOPER ONLY on the box.

And then to let it go weeks without a substantial update with bug fixes. VisionOS needs to be on a different, iterative upgrade cycle until it's fully baked. You can't be holding back for a once-a-year update for basic features.

For such a huge company, Apple has trouble allocating resources for software engineering. They pick one OS each year to shine and then let the others coast along. It's wild.

I mean, I’d say the primary concern is that it makes people look like complete dorks.

 

[turbineseaplane]

If I was buying something primarily for watching movies, I'd rather get a 65" 4K TV for $300 to $500.

Agreed
I'd MUCH rather get a top end 65-77" OLED for the price of the AVP

Insanely better use of money
(and you can actually get it done for 1/2 to 2/3 the price of AVP)

 

[czoli]

They need to just stop. Is this product really in demand? They didn't shoot past MS for most valuable company because of this product.

It is not in demand, even not surprisingly due to the exorbitant price in a sluggish economy (not to call it recession in some places).

However, they are trying to play the long game so I guess they are not ready to stop and should not.

It may take a few iterations; they got the RnD and the money.

What they do not have is developers on board.

Is it a Gample? Yes it is.

I am more worried about the gazillion dollars wasted on the Apple car TBH.

 

[turbineseaplane]

However, they are trying to play the long game so I guess they are not ready to stop and should not.

It may take a few iterations; they got the RnD and the money.

They should stop selling it and keep working on it internally

The form factor and hardware aren't close to being at mass appeal level

 

[thatsmyfish]

Whether or not you personally like my argument is of no consequence to me.



You better quote that. Because the argument is NOT that there are “no use cases.” Clearly there are use cases. Just not ones that are superior to existing methods and/or compelling enough to make people rush out and buy one. So you’re arguing with straw men.

I’m glad to hear you say that. There are other posters here who have announced there are absolutely no use cases whatsoever.

 

[thatsmyfish]

Not how you’re characterizing it, no.



I doubt you made it up, but that doesn’t matter. What matters is the false accusation.



So?



You said more than that.



I don’t see any evidence of rage. It’s a false smear. Instead of focusing on the other members maybe let’s get back to the Vision?

Not how you’re characterizing it, no.



I doubt you made it up, but that doesn’t matter. What matters is the false accusation.



So?



You said more than that.



I don’t see any evidence of rage. It’s a false smear. Instead of focusing on the other members maybe let’s get back to the Vision?

Trollish comments about the Vision clogging up social media are the issue. Not the complaints, not the decent, thoughtful thoughts on what needs to improve or what needs to happen next.

The subset of posters on social media who are only here to be toxic and negative overwhelm any discussion. Self congratulatory posts about how terrible a product is, how they predicated its failure before it was released (they often predict every product will fail) and who eagerly scream for released products to be scrapped.

I just saw posts calling for the AVP to be pulled from the shelves, that no one, not a single consumer, will buy it, that there is no price point that it could sell, that there is no software support, no updates, Vision 2.0 is a hoax and doesn’t exist, kill it now, it’s confirmed that the product line has been canceled.

Call them trolls if it makes it easier. Trolls are filled with rage and it is an addiction for them. You’ve never met me before so I’m amused you didn’t think I had it in me, but yeah, my term.

On an article that looks like it’s announcing the end of the product line for those who couldn’t be bothered to read it, the trolls are all fired up spewing nonsense.

 

[Surf Monkey]

Trollish comments about the Vision clogging up social media are the issue. Not the complaints, not the decent, thoughtful thoughts on what needs to improve or what needs to happen next.

The subset of posters on social media who are only here to be toxic and negative overwhelm any discussion. Self congratulatory posts about how terrible a product is, how they predicated its failure before it was released (they often predict every product will fail) and who eagerly scream for released products to be scrapped.

I just saw posts calling for the AVP to be pulled from the shelves, that no one, not a single consumer, will buy it, that there is no price point that it could sell, that there is no software support, no updates, Vision 2.0 is a hoax and doesn’t exist, kill it now, it’s confirmed that the product line has been canceled.

Call them trolls if it makes it easier. Trolls are filled with rage and it is an addiction for them. You’ve never met me before so I’m amused you didn’t think I had it in me, but yeah, my term.

On an article that looks like it’s announcing the end of the product line for those who couldn’t be bothered to read it, the trolls are all fired up spewing nonsense.

Maybe stop focusing on personalities and get back to the topic. I don’t see anyone trolling here.

 

[Surf Monkey]

I’m glad to hear you say that. There are other posters here who have announced there are absolutely no use cases whatsoever.

Not really.

 

[reyesmac]

So walk me through this.

iPhone debuted as a budget phone?
iPad debuted as a budget tablet?
Apple Watch debuted as a budget watch?

How could they put sensors in a device, which by the way help it to actually work, without consulting with experts in technology such as yourself?

What’s your day job?

Apple forgot somewhere down the line that it was their mildly affordable lower tiers that propelled word of mouth of their products. Yes they make high end products for a niche crowd these days, but the did so after spending a few years developing things like an infrastructure that helps that product line to grow, and lower end models that grow in price and features as well as integration in schools and partnerships with other companies as was the case with their Phones. This makes the success of the product something more than just apple is rooting for. Just like the cube, they went at it alone without that base and bit off more than they could chew. Microsoft has windows and xbox. People can afford both in their life. Samsung has Phones and tablets and TV's and such, again, nobody has to have all one brand and they are affordable. Apple has an exclusive OS ecosystem so unless you want to go cross-platform you need a computer and phone from them, two of the most expensive things. And now they want you to also have a watch, tablet and headset that do redundant things displayed at different sizes with different ways the programs are displayed on each. Phone can't replace a computer, headset cannot, watch cannot, its an add on device with the price that dwarfs your main devices. Thats really, really dumb when you are not partnering with others to ensure they can prop this thing up while everyone decides if they should own one, thats why they need to listen to people outside the company and not just get high off their own fumes. You shave the price and size by half with a robust developer community under you and you have a hit. But once again they are taking advantage of the diehards to roll out a product that will not deliver on the promises made. Thats what 2nd to 4th generation products start to do. So why start with the most expensive one first? Can't wait to buy one for dirt cheap on the aftermarket someday.

 

[thatsmyfish]

Not really.

These comments are a sample from the last 24 hours on this thread alone. This was after multiple users listed the use cases they personally experience.


There is no killer app or use case. Apple tried catching onto a fad and they flopped.



Color me shocked that Apple can’t see a market case for a $3500 pair of goggles.



Why is Apple so focused on making a cheaper version of a product that has no use case and no future roadmap.



he got bored with it and couldn't find a use case.



People who appear to be defending and justifying their purchase of a pointless device, not one of which has answered that "use-case" question.

 

[thatsmyfish]

Apple forgot somewhere down the line that it was their mildly affordable lower tiers that propelled word of mouth of their products. Yes they make high end products for a niche crowd these days, but the did so after spending a few years developing things like an infrastructure that helps that product line to grow, and lower end models that grow in price and features as well as integration in schools and partnerships with other companies as was the case with their Phones. This makes the success of the product something more than just apple is rooting for. Just like the cube, they went at it alone without that base and bit off more than they could chew. Microsoft has windows and xbox. People can afford both in their life. Samsung has Phones and tablets and TV's and such, again, nobody has to have all one brand and they are affordable. Apple has an exclusive OS ecosystem so unless you want to go cross-platform you need a computer and phone from them, two of the most expensive things. And now they want you to also have a watch, tablet and headset that do redundant things displayed at different sizes with different ways the programs are displayed on each. Phone can't replace a computer, headset cannot, watch cannot, its an add on device with the price that dwarfs your main devices. Thats really, really dumb when you are not partnering with others to ensure they can prop this thing up while everyone decides if they should own one, thats why they need to listen to people outside the company and not just get high off their own fumes. You shave the price and size by half with a robust developer community under you and you have a hit. But once again they are taking advantage of the diehards to roll out a product that will not deliver on the promises made. Thats what 2nd to 4th generation products start to do. So why start with the most expensive one first? Can't wait to buy one for dirt cheap on the aftermarket someday.

What was the first Macbook product to be released? The very first?

Apple generally takes a bath on lower-tier products. They’re an important tier to have but they always overestimate how many consumers don’t care about price.

The issue with Vision Pro is it’s a Gen 1 product. People are always going to wait for version 2. They get that kinks get ironed out. That’s baked in.

 

[thatsmyfish]

Maybe stop focusing on personalities and get back to the topic. I don’t see anyone trolling here.

Oh please. “Pull it from the market now. Kill the AVP. (4 months in.) It couldn’t sell for any price.”

These are not people here to have informative conversations. They‘re trolls. In our last conversation you denied anyone is making statements about no use cases despite you being one of the people making them in the past few hours.

I’m going to do us both a favor and enjoy hitting that mute button.

 

[Surf Monkey]

These comments are a sample from the last 24 hours on this thread alone. This was after multiple users listed the use cases they personally experience.

There is no killer app or use case. Apple tried catching onto a fad and they flopped.

Color me shocked that Apple can’t see a market case for a $3500 pair of goggles.

Why is Apple so focused on making a cheaper version of a product that has no use case and no future roadmap.

he got bored with it and couldn't find a use case.

People who appear to be defending and justifying their purchase of a pointless device, not one of which has answered that "use-case" question.

Looks like you’re applying an absolutely strict and literal read to all those posts. But it’s clear from them that some members are not finding a use case FOR THEM, not that the device doesn’t have any at all. Clearly it does. It just doesn’t have any that are compelling enough to draw in skeptics or in some cases cause owners to keep it.

A genuinely unique and productive use case for the device is yet to emerge. That much is true. At the moment you can do just about anything the Vision does on other Apple hardware. What we’re waiting for is a killer application for the device that shows what an average, mainstream customer would want to use it for. Something that ameliorates the MASSIVE barriers it presents to mainstream adoption.

 

[applevisionpro]

These comments are a sample from the last 24 hours on this thread alone. This was after multiple users listed the use cases they personally experience.


There is no killer app or use case. Apple tried catching onto a fad and they flopped.



Color me shocked that Apple can’t see a market case for a $3500 pair of goggles.



Why is Apple so focused on making a cheaper version of a product that has no use case and no future roadmap.



he got bored with it and couldn't find a use case.



People who appear to be defending and justifying their purchase of a pointless device, not one of which has answered that "use-case" question.

There is a use case for it, I have one and it’s for movies and tv. There’s no other “real” use case for it. Fanatics will defend it saying that it’s great for this, great for that, literally none of it would be objectively true. Literally if you took out a timer and measured the speed in which you complete a task on avp vs Mac, the avp will lose every single time.

It does however win for media consumption. Whether it’s justified for 3500 well that’s up to the user.

 

[Surf Monkey]

Oh please. “Pull it from the market now. Kill the AVP. (4 months in.) It couldn’t sell for any price.”

The fact that you personally disagree with those comments doesn’t make them trolling.

These are not people here to have informative conversations. They‘re trolls. In our last conversation you denied anyone is making statements about no use cases despite you being one of the people making them in the past few hours.

Again, “I disagree with you” does not equal “you’re a troll.”

I’m going to do us both a favor and enjoy hitting that mute button.

Your call, but I think you’d do better if you made a case for the device instead of making a case that people who disagree with you are trolls.

 

[fatTribble]

Which is not what is even being suggested in this rumor.

I think you’re making all the right points, but some just enjoy disagreeing.
Many of us who actually own a Vision Pro have stopped posting in these types of articles because of this.
If my Vision Pro were stolen, I’d buy a new one tomorrow and, for whatever reason, that enjoyment of a product really bothers some.

 

[Surf Monkey]

I think you’re making all the right points, but some just enjoy disagreeing.

Disagreement is fine as long as we get along, yeah? No disagreement, no conversation. The board would be 100% dead if every thread was “Wow! Cool! Awesome! Way to go, Apple! Never change anything!” We discuss the deficiencies of the product because we want Apple to do better, not because we have some weird emotional agenda against other posters.

Many of us who actually own a Vision Pro have stopped posting in these types of articles because of this.

That’s one approach.

If my Vision Pro were stolen, I’d buy a new one tomorrow and, for whatever reason, that enjoyment of a product really bothers some.

No it doesn’t. There’s not one shred of evidence that anyone here is spiteful towards those who own the device. The suggestion itself is basically an attack since it isn’t even remotely true. I’m sure everyone here is either happy for you or utterly indifferent to your enjoyment of the device. I guarantee you not a single person here is bothered by it, spiteful towards you or jealous.

 

[airbusking]

Yes I've read the article. I don't think it has a positive case now or for the near future.
Slightly off topic, is there a side effect on your vision, long term? I have some military experience with VR and have some concerns with negative side effects to your vision.

 

[frownface]

Exactly this ^

It’s not a price thing
It simply isn’t something most people seem to want

Apple should have known this
It was a massive whiff to release the AVP

Would i buy it for $4000? no.
Would i buy it for $200? $100? $50? yeah ok, i could give it a shot.

It absolutely is a price thing. At least it is for me.

The AVP might just be everything i'm missing in my life; but i'll never know because it's way outside what i'd pay to find out.

If it's a price thing for me, then i'm doubtful i'm the only person in the world who thinks that way. If pricing was truly negligible then there would be higher adoption; that's irrefutable.

Higher adoption = higher social acceptance. Most people wouldn't wear it out in public today. But in a future where every 2nd person is wearing one; then sure they'd have no qualms; but first they need to get there. Apple can't do much about social acceptance directly short of a redesigning it to not be so obnoxious; but they can control the pricing which'll grow the userbase and in turn organically grow social acceptance.

 

[turbineseaplane]

Would i buy it for $4000? no.
Would i buy it for $200? $100? $50? yeah ok, i could give it a shot.

It absolutely is a price thing. At least it is for me.

The AVP might just be everything i'm missing in my life; but i'll never know because it's way outside what i'd pay to find out.

If it's a price thing for me, then i'm doubtful i'm the only person in the world who thinks that way. If pricing was truly negligible then there would be higher adoption; that's irrefutable.

Higher adoption = higher social acceptance. Most people wouldn't wear it out in public today. But in a future where every 2nd person is wearing one; then sure they'd have no qualms; but first they need to get there. Apple can't do much about social acceptance directly short of a redesigning it to not be so obnoxious; but they can control the pricing which'll grow the userbase and in turn organically grow social acceptance.

None of that has been true for other VR headsets, and nothing about the AVP changes that

You could give AVPs away for free -- yes people would "take one"

That doesn't suddenly make it more comfortable or enjoyable to use or wear, nor does it magically "have a killer use case"

Price is one of many issues for this product

 

[nevesis]

If I was buying something primarily for watching movies, I'd rather get a 65" 4K TV for $300 to $500.

Watching a movie on the AVP in theater mode on my couch is an unbelievable experience.

Taking it off and looking at my 65” 4K TV, it felt like a toy. No comparison.

 

[Surf Monkey]

Watching a movie on the AVP in theater mode on my couch is an unbelievable experience.

But a solitary one.

Taking it off and looking at my 65” 4K TV, it felt like a toy. No comparison.

Your TV felt like a toy?