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Steve said in one of the last one of these teleconferences that "Apple chooses not to serve some segments of the market" That would be the mainstream desktop market. And I can see why Apple ignores the largest segment of the computer market: It is very price competitive and has low margins. I don't think Apple will ever make the mainstream desktop that most of us want. There is no room for margins in such a competitive segment of the market.


Yes there is. Apple doesn't have to price at the same level as Acer, Dell or Gateway. I could easily sell Apple towers for $200 or $300 more than for an identical component pc.
 
You are just using artificial terms to separate the two. Most consumers actually buy "computers" and if the store clerk asked them if they want the "mainstream" or the "specialty" variety, they would have no idea what to say.

Well, they might not in those terms, but the decline in desktop sales shows their vote against "specialty" slowly-revised desktops (even if the sales went to laptops).
 
In the Q&A, Apple said they will open 25 stores, half of them international. I guess that's 12 in the U.S., 12 in other countries, and one straddling the Canadian border.
 
Economic downturn yes but not to the extent that many want.

Well done Apple. :D

I've been surprised at how well Apple sales have held up during the economic downturn. My Apple sales have been very good the last six months.
The problem right now is the unusual nature of this downturn. All economies have then of course but this one seems to be much more a downturn created on purpose. Apples sales and even yours indicate that the downturn isn't what the media would want you to believe.

Yeah there is stress on the system but there simply haven't yet been the mass layoffs that one would expect for the economic disaster that the power to be want us to believe we are in.
Just wish I had an up to date $500 Mini :mad: and a $1K quad core tower :mad: to sell. I could sell tons of them.

Hopefully Apple has new hardware coming that will deal with that need. Frankly I think they are very close to release.

Speaking of release does anybody know if Apple has reserved Superbowl advertising space? This would be the ideal place to announce a new generation of Macs. Plenty of exposure plus it would be a big surprise.

Dave
 
Well, actually that's not what you said. You said that they're his ideas. I'm saying that they're not.

Actually what I said was " you don't realize how close to the truth you are.".

Without Steve Jobs Leopard and the iPhone O/S would have never materialized.

Remember that when the coding is completed.

I know he doesn't get involved in coding but his vision sure is there. And without it the software engineers have a habit of. Well..

I love folks that code so I won't say anything.
 
Actually what I said was " you don't realize how close to the truth you are.".

Without Steve Jobs Leopard and the iPhone O/S would have never materialized.

Remember that when the coding is completed.

I know he doesn't get involved in coding but his vision sure is there. And without it the software engineers have a habit of. Well..

I love folks that code so I won't say anything.


I pretty much agree with your take on how Jobs runs Apple but I think Snow Leopard was a product pushed for by engineering. There are no whiz bang features for marketing to grab onto and sell. I can see the head of engineering going to Jobs and saying, 'Look, PPC is dead and our OS is bloated because of it. Let us strip out all the PPC code and really optimize this sucker. We'll be able to get by with fewer programmers after its done.'
 
We have 5 months to go!

Snow Leopard's looks like it's slipping (from the rumoured first half of 2009 date).
Now how did you manage to come to that conclusion when it is only the first month in the new year and we have 5 more to go? Are we jumping to conclusions or what.
Tim Cook could have said it was “on track” or “making good progress”.
Why tip your hand with such drivel? In any event the only thing that Apple needs to be concerned about is getting Snow Leopard right and stable for delivery. I'd much rather see a slow to come SL that gets here fast and stable than to get a crappy update on time.

In any event SL isn't rally that important if you think about it, more important is getting new desktop hardware out there. Yeah I know the current OS could use a little work, but in many ways nothing else comes close. In other words they should be taking their time to get this rather major internal update right as they are not being pressured by external OS suppliers.
But he said neither.

Of course not. Even if SL was ready for delivery next week on new Mini hardware you wouldn't expect Tim to say anything.

Dave
 
In the Q&A, Apple said they will open 25 stores, half of them international. I guess that's 12 in the U.S., 12 in other countries, and one straddling the Canadian border.

Or the Mexican border ...

Apple is now supporting immigration as long as the refugees buy a Mac through the border store. :D
 
... In any event the only thing that Apple needs to be concerned about is getting Snow Leopard right and stable for delivery. I'd much rather see a slow to come SL that gets here fast and stable than to get a crappy update on time.

I agree. And my guess is that Snow Leopard won't be delayed 2-3 years like Vista and that it will be more stable and functional than Vista was at its eventual release also. JMO

I suppose that shipping Snow Leopard in July will make Apple a complete failure in the mind of the original poster concerning the alleged delay.
 
I know there are some readers and fanboys here are quietly shorting or planning to... come on... show yourselves...

I wouldn't blame you.:cool:
 
Very proud of performance and very excited about product pipeline

I can only hope that this means some very good products are coming, and soon. Last conference call I believe they mentioned something about product transition, but I'm not sure what that ever was. Perhaps the switch to an aluminum Macbook unibody? Maybe they're still recovering costs from R&D. However, with $28B (seriously?!) in cash doesn't seem like not recouping that hurts much at the moment.
 
"very excited about product pipeline" is used in every conference call. Almost to the point where I think Tim just hit's a button under the desk when the question is asked.
 
Noted info - 25% decline in desktops... stated was higher last year as introduction of an iMac...

How about because the desktops are all old offerings! Maybe the desktops wouldn't be down 25% if Apple would release some UPDATED DESKTOPS!
 
I'd much rather see a slow to come SL that gets here fast and stable than to get a crappy update on time.

I agree with the rest of your post, but personally and unusually, I'd rather have a crappy SL now, so that I can buy my new computer with it and get free 10.6.1 upgrades in time, rather than wait and wait or pay an extra $129 on top of my purchase price.
 
The problem right now is the unusual nature of this downturn. All economies have then of course but this one seems to be much more a downturn created on purpose. Apples sales and even yours indicate that the downturn isn't what the media would want you to believe.

Yeah there is stress on the system but there simply haven't yet been the mass layoffs that one would expect for the economic disaster that the power to be want us to believe we are in.
Dave

Seriously? These figures are strong, but remember they were for last quarter. At the end of that, and to date this year, the reports and figures have continued to get worse. Unemployment is at a 15 year high and you feel layoffs aren't in line with 'the times'? Very odd.
 
Of course they have made billions you clowns buy every piece of crap they produce like its the end of world.

The very first iPhone should have them set for life! what was the cost of that thing? $500 some odd dollars for a cell phone. LOL
 
I bought my first ever shares of AAPL yesterday at $80/share... I'm only 27, so I think this will be a nice entry price in the long run. I'm actually hoping things stay low/get even lower so I can buy more shares as I continue to divert as much of my paycheck as I can to savings.
 
Of course they have made billions you clowns buy every piece of crap they produce like its the end of world.

The very first iPhone should have them set for life! what was the cost of that thing? $500 some odd dollars for a cell phone. LOL

That's actually not a crazy price for a cell phone...

The crazy thing about it was that it was WITH A CONTRACT... and it $500/$600
 
Anecdotal evidence from your friends doesn't sway me, I'm afraid. Besides, who in anybody's right mind would buy a desktop from Apple at the moment, unless you want an all in one like the iMac? Face it, they've slacked around and tinkered around the edges with the Macs.

Agreed, but you can't say they've been lazy with the portables.

The desktops, inexcusable, the reason that the laptops are outselling the desktops is because what they are offering is horrific. A Mac Mini that hasn't been updated truly since Feb 2007 (August 07 was a .2 ghz bump). The iMac is all-in-one, not everybody wants to be tied to that. Mac Pro is a pro machine, pro-priced for people that make a living using that computer.

Like I said in another thread and pointed out by another user, you could get a Quad PC with Blu-Ray for the price of the Mac Mini. Am I asking for a decked out Mac Mini? It won't happen, not in this lifetime, but I'd like to see competitive pricing with their desktop line.

And I'll add to the fire...
Yey for Apple making money?? Who cares? We are watching them get rich while not listening to our requests. Same company that says we need a MacBook Air, and that a uni-body laptop beats any laptop, no matter how they price it or equip it. Quit dipping in the kool aid.
 
Wow, great news especially for people who invested a lot in Apple stock. It just blows me away how ANYONE could rate this article negative and there ARE a few negatives. :p
 
Of course they have made billions you clowns buy every piece of crap they produce like its the end of world.

The very first iPhone should have them set for life! what was the cost of that thing? $500 some odd dollars for a cell phone. LOL

People snapped up the iPhone at $500 precisely because it transcended a mere "cell phone."
 
Steve Jobs and his precious iMac as flagship. Always has wanted the sealed box, computer as appliance, just like a washing machine, never understood the need for anything else and inflicts this vision on the rest of us. Can't build anything too close to it or sales of these wretched machines will suffer, so cripple potentially competing products like the Mini or overprice them at the other end of the scale and let them wither on the vine.

I never understand people like you. You have a stalker's mentality, you keep consuming on a celebrity products yet having a delusion why he/she can't personally satisfy you. Also, I wonder what kind of job you have that the current Mini can't handle, really.

No, I am not pushing a product that you despise. Instead of pity and pain, I simply suggest you (and many of the posters on this board) going to PCs and Windows environment. I use them, they are not bad at all, and no matter how much the initial investment to switch is going to be, they can potentially save your soul.
 
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