So... sorry, this stuck with me a bit. "Some" AAPL. To get $5000 in dividends in 2019, a year in which they paid a total of $3.09 per share to shareholders via dividend, one would need to own 1644 shares at least. Using the lowest price in recent memory, $142 a share, that leaves one with over $233K worth of AAPL. I think most people outside the vaunted 1% would consider that "a lot" of Apple stock.
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Apple Reports 4Q 2019 Results: $13.7B Profit on $64B Revenue
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So... sorry, this stuck with me a bit. "Some" AAPL. To get $5000 in dividends in 2019, a year in which they paid a total of $3.09 per share to shareholders via dividend, one would need to own 1644 shares at least. Using the lowest price in recent memory, $142 a share, that leaves one with over $233K worth of AAPL. I think most people outside the vaunted 1% would consider that "a lot" of Apple stock.
Rubbish.
Apple already spends a ton of money on R&D. Doubling spending will not suddenly make their products twice as good or allow them to create twice as many successful products to sell.
The idea you can spend your way into a new market is asinine. Just ask Google about messaging services.
As the snake chases its tail - from the point of view of the forum/website providers (rather than my own view of 'consumers' vs 'investors') - any comment on the website is probably good, wherever it's coming from.
So - I'm just putting my own view of how I used to like this site, and how I like it less so nowadays. From the view of the website providers and from the users who I'd call 'investors' - they'd like it just as much.
So - I'm just putting my own view of how I used to like this site, and how I like it less so nowadays. From the view of the website providers and from the users who I'd call 'investors' - they'd like it just as much.
Really it's not rubbish. It's actually how businesses GROW through INVESTMENT. Maybe you don't understand how a business works so please go educate yourself before commenting further.
I guess Microsoft is a disaster as well.
Microsoft Boosts Its Dividend
Why are you complaining about Apple's ventures in "new tech markets" and yet also complaining that they shouldn't be in the smart watch market? That is tech. You do understand this......right?
Ironic as hell. You know more than Apple and Microsoft, huh?
And yet there are two publicly traded companies with trillion dollar market capitalization: Apple and Microsoft and they both pay dividends.
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What I meant is that I ain’t Warren Buffett!
How about this? You stop posting in this thread and I promise I won't go into a Mac thread and start whining about how I feel this site should be slanted more towards investors.
It’s nearly impossible to spin this quarters financials into negative news.
How can they miss in Mac sales when they never made any predictions.
Mac sales are pretty stable in billion dollars:
Q4 2014: 6.6
Q4 2015: 6.8
Q4 2016: 5.7
Q4 2017: 7.1
Q4 2018: 7.3
Q4 2019: 7.0
Mac sales by year in billion dollars:
2014: 23.9
2015: 25.3
2016: 22.6
2017: 25.6
2018: 25.2
2019: 25.7
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2019 was the best year for Mac sales in the last 5 years. And I have not bothered to check further back.
The PC market was in decline until 2018 and since then there have been quarters with growth and some with declines.
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I'm not upset its all good fun. Just passing them time while my build is processing.
This site is dominated by people who wants to pay as little as possible for a Mac and keeping it as long as possible while paying Apple as little money as possible. And everything which has "Pro" as part of its product name must cater to a certain ideal of pro users who loves to upgrade and repair their Macs.
And everything Apples does which does not fit into that creates massive negativity here.
Or people who wants Apple to behave like Microsoft, Google or Samsung.
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If Apple products get worse, their revenue would decline over time.
And yet, FY19 saw the highest Mac revenue at least since 2014.
"If Apple products get worse, their revenue would decline over time."
Ok let's see
This is a forum so 'he says, she says'. My opinion is that their products are getting worse. We'd need to find a way to separate their revenue from services etc to prove the point. But anyway - my gist is - in my opinion, their products, as physical 'things' are definitely getting worse.
Sorry to bite but I couldn't help myself, and feel like an idiot for doing so - but if I was trying to "pay as little as possible for a Mac and keeping it as long as possible while paying Apple as little money as possible" - I wouldn't have bought thiss year, the top spec imac i9 27 inch imac, nor the 12.9 ipad pro.
My point, which you've done a good job of missing by a good long way, is that I want Apple to make the best possible products.
Apple may have an infnite amount of customers - or they may have an interest in keeping their current 'loyal' customers, who have bought their products over the past two or more decades. That's up to the bean counters to figure out.
Ok let's see
This is a forum so 'he says, she says'. My opinion is that their products are getting worse. We'd need to find a way to separate their revenue from services etc to prove the point. But anyway - my gist is - in my opinion, their products, as physical 'things' are definitely getting worse.
Sorry to bite but I couldn't help myself, and feel like an idiot for doing so - but if I was trying to "pay as little as possible for a Mac and keeping it as long as possible while paying Apple as little money as possible" - I wouldn't have bought thiss year, the top spec imac i9 27 inch imac, nor the 12.9 ipad pro.
My point, which you've done a good job of missing by a good long way, is that I want Apple to make the best possible products.
Apple may have an infnite amount of customers - or they may have an interest in keeping their current 'loyal' customers, who have bought their products over the past two or more decades. That's up to the bean counters to figure out.
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The mind boggling numbers continue.
For once I’d love to hear a share holder ask “Tim can you fix my device the latest update bricked it?”
For once I’d love to hear a share holder ask “Tim can you fix my device the latest update bricked it?”
You’ve been complaining about Apple for almost 11 years. You are not fooling anyone but yourself.
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You're calling out theoretical people when nobody is complaining. The stock is up ~2% after hours, so investors were happy. If anyone argues it's overvalued, my only response is "short the stock if you think so." That's as fair as it gets, can be interpreted either way.
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If you can show that Apple by itself can cause people to spend more overall and increase the "cost of money" (e.g. higher interest rates), then maybe. I doubt it either way, though. My instinct is that it helps me if people want to spend lots of money on something I don't care about. The inverse is easier to see, that I can live cheaply if I value things other people don't value.
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So Microsoft too? Apple is in a unique position in terms of profitability. They make almost $60B in profit annually, about double Microsoft, and have over $100B in net cash. Apple has plenty of money to run the business, invest in talent, AND do capital return in the form of dividends and buybacks.
Apple spent around $16B in R&D in 2019, among the most of any company. Apple uses all the cash it needs for the business. You have to return excess cash to shareholders. Welcome to business.
You're saying Apple doesn't know how to spend the money, he's saying Apple doesn't know how to grow. Seems like you're saying roughly equal things with different attitudes.
I'm not sure the aims have diverged at all - but the measurement of success for your so-called "consumers" is far more subjective and individual than for investors. Not that those two groups are mutually exclusive anyway, as others have already pointed out. To wit, I'm both, and happy with both aspects.
As an investor, I have "some" AAPL stock, and it's up 500% from when I bought it. That pleases me very much. But I had iPods and iPhones before I had the stock.
As a consumer, currently, there are 5 Macs, 4 iPhones, 2 Apple TVs, a few iPads, AirPods (as of today, AirPods Pro), and a Time Capsule in my house:
* The dreaded butterfly keyboard on my 2017 MBP is just fine.
* USB-C is the future, and I've bought a couple of $6 dongles on Amazon. Meh, not a lot of drama or expense there in my case.
* The notch (and the BEZELS! OH MY!) on my Xs Max don't bother me one bit.
* The hard drive on my Time Capsule is going strong.
* My AirPods have sound quality that surpasses what I really even need, and I listen to a WIDE range of music.
In general, Apple makes cool, functional stuff. Sometimes the product lines are imperfect. Usually they improve. They pretty much always make money. I have little to complain about, and can't really get on board with the incessant "the Macs are garbage, they've lost their way, they can't innovate, they only care about profit, they forgot about the Pros" complaining. To each their own. My glass is beyond half-full.
No, Mac Sales won’t grow. The number of sales of the Mac Pro won’t even be a double digit percentage of a drop in the bucket. That trend line will likely stay just like it is while all the other trend lines continue their increase.The Mac Sales will grow one the new Mac Pro tower comes out and people start replacing old machines. Think Apple is looking at growing any market segment they can. And a new Macbook Pro with a new keyboard will help. FYI Corvette Sales are only 11 percent of GM over all sales
I never said Apple doesn’t know how to spend money. Given the ROI they get from their R&D spending I’d say Apple knows exactly how to spend their money.
isn't that 20% profit? thats not bad, why does everyone say Apple has huge markup
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actually, MacOS is only like 15% of the market share. There is a lot of room to grow but Tim doesn't care to push in that area.
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actually, MacOS is only like 15% of the market share. There is a lot of room to grow but Tim doesn't care to push in that area.
Ben Franklin was a cool guy, but he was never President.