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Apple Reports 4Q 2019 Results: $13.7B Profit on $64B Revenue
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Pleeeeease how are they STABLE????
2019 was the same as 2017 (that is 2 years later and considering that lot of models have increased ridiculously in price, what actually supports the theory that they are selling way much less units since the prices are way higher). Why DO YOU THINK Apple stopped reporting actual unit numbers? Because they are lower and lower.
Look at your own numbers. Q4 is down from a year before.
and Year over year, sales have been stagnant.
There is a reason. And that is LACK of innovation and interest on developing the entire computer line.
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News are great, except the MAC SALES.
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So mr Super - you have more shares than anyone else so far - congratulations.
That must mean I must bow down to you in respect to my opininion of the current Apple products.
Frankly that's why I made the points I made - who gives a flying f how much money anybody made(or how much money you made0? That was / is (maybe I'm totally wrong on this)- people come on this forum - they want a 'good' product for them. They don't care how much money - well done to you - you made out of it.
Anyway - I'm going to go and create my own forum 'Macproducts -but not for MacInvestors- rumors-forum'.com
Oh and before you say it - I bought Apple before they were born - so u can be jealous
or - I didn't buy Apple- so you can feel superior - up to you.
c ya
That must mean I must bow down to you in respect to my opininion of the current Apple products.
Frankly that's why I made the points I made - who gives a flying f how much money anybody made(or how much money you made0? That was / is (maybe I'm totally wrong on this)- people come on this forum - they want a 'good' product for them. They don't care how much money - well done to you - you made out of it.
Anyway - I'm going to go and create my own forum 'Macproducts -but not for MacInvestors- rumors-forum'.com
Oh and before you say it - I bought Apple before they were born - so u can be jealous
or - I didn't buy Apple- so you can feel superior - up to you.
c ya
The estimates were higher and they missed. The prices are higher than 3 years ago, while the are selling almost the same. Which clearly tells you they are selling less units at higher prices.
Regardless, the entire MacBook line (2016+) is a disaster and never in the history of Apple have seen such an unreliable and poorly designed product.
sht - I'm p'd off now - the reason Apple is selling cr''ppy crimped out, unsatisfying computers to people like me, who sustained them for years when they were on their knees, is because people like you are now here supporting their sh..tty practices.
there ...I said it
there ...I said it
I used to use Mac mostly for Lightroom, video editing and Final Cut Pro X.
I sold it and using just iPad Pro 2018, that with iOS 13 improvements and Luma Fusion for video editing and I have no needs for a Mac computer. Can’t help it but think there are plenty like me.
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Both models of Mac were updated last year, tough compare. Overall, Mac sales were up annually. You mad?
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A lot of people (who have posted here and on other Mac Forums) including myself are NOT going to buy a new MacBook until the Keyboards are sorted out.
My 2015 15in MBP has enabled me to write close on 1 million words. One key (down arrow) went TITSUP a month after AppleCare had expired... OTher than that it has been perfect.
I'll buy a 16in with a revised KB within 12 months. If a lot of people like me do the same then those Mac Sales numbers will rise.
Just looking at the numbers instead of the numbers and the history behind them is looking at only half the story.
Both models of Mac were updated last year, tough compare. Overall, Mac sales were up annually. You mad?
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A lot of people (who have posted here and on other Mac Forums) including myself are NOT going to buy a new MacBook until the Keyboards are sorted out.
My 2015 15in MBP has enabled me to write close on 1 million words. One key (down arrow) went TITSUP a month after AppleCare had expired... OTher than that it has been perfect.
I'll buy a 16in with a revised KB within 12 months. If a lot of people like me do the same then those Mac Sales numbers will rise.
Just looking at the numbers instead of the numbers and the history behind them is looking at only half the story.
It is, and because the average selling price of iPad is lower than a Mac, customers gets cheaper computers*. Not much wrong with that from a customers perspective.
Apple is doing great because they provide computers experiences sufficiently advanced (iPads, iPhone) for the mass market. So is Google and Microsoft and shows that they have been able to move from computers for specialists (that is the personal computer) to computer better suited for the broader public with less demanding needs. They earn lots of money now but so have other companies done throughout history.
*I get some criticism for this as there are people at the site thinking a computer must have a command prompt, physical escape key, riddled with old fashion ports, an nvidia card and cost nearly nothing and will be possible to update forever.
Milking the customerbase (and by that I include developers) on the services is not going to work long time if the hardware isn't keeping up. Services are revenue generated on top of hardware!
As Apple made the same revenue on Macs as they did the year before with ever increasing hardware prices, we can only conclude unit sales are going down. And right now, their entire Mac Line Up is so heavily overpriced (the Mac Mini being the prime example for that) that I see die hard Apple fans opting for XPS'es instead.
=> When need a Mac Pro like upgrade on the MacBook front...
As Apple made the same revenue on Macs as they did the year before with ever increasing hardware prices, we can only conclude unit sales are going down. And right now, their entire Mac Line Up is so heavily overpriced (the Mac Mini being the prime example for that) that I see die hard Apple fans opting for XPS'es instead.
=> When need a Mac Pro like upgrade on the MacBook front...
Base price of the 13" MacBook Pro is $200 cheaper than it was when the 2016 model was released. The base 15" is the same as the 2016 model. The Mac mini price certainly has increased, but there was a 4 year gap in releases there and there is no way that $300 bump is the driver for Mac sales number. So where exactly is this ridiculous price increase?
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If owning stock somehow makes mr Super unqualified to respond to you, then may I be so bold as to step in. And before you go off on your "consumer vs investor" rant again, let me point out that I own absolutely zero Apple shares, so for one, how much money Apple makes doesn't benefit me at all.
And to your point, I ask - best by whose definition? Everyone has a different idea of how Apple products ought to look or work, so who is say who is right or wrong? If we had left it to Macrumours enthusiasts to design the AirPods, do you think it would have looked anything like its current incarnation? Would I have gotten my Apple Pencil, which I am using at work every day?
The fact that Apple is earning as much as it is right now is proof that for a large segment of its users, the products that it makes do represent the best for them. This doesn't mean your opinion is suddenly any less relevant, but I think that when Apple is raking in the big bucks despite all the cynicism being heaped on them here, maybe it's time to stop naysaying everything that Apple is doing, and instead start trying to better understand just why they are doing the stuff they do?
I think what is happening is that some long-time Macs users have been burned by some of Apple's recent decisions. They likely bought into the Apple ecosystem at a time when Apple was most famous for making computers, and have come to rely on Macs for a key part of their work. Yet as times changed, Apple too changed in keeping with the times, and (not unreasonably) pivoted towards mobile and (now) wearables. They have also launched a bevy of services, we know they are also working on AR glasses and self-driving cars, and who knows what else.
This meant devoting less attention to the Mac, which led to products like the Cinema Display and airport router being dropped, and the 2016 MBP refresh has been met with controversy. And the problem here, I feel, is that the ill will generated by apparent lack of attention on the Mac is seriously clouding their ability to evaluate whatever Apple is doing right now in an objective light. Which is not only a shame in itself, but in lashing out at every new thing which Apple does, their acerbic tone does also serve the make this forum so much more toxic and unpleasant to be in.
To them, so long as it's not some new Mac, it must be worthless? Why else would some people just go about chiming "where's my Mac Pro" in every Apple thread, regardless of relevance? You can not be enthusiastic about Apple's new AirPods pro, or their upcoming streaming service, or new watch bands, and still recognise and acknowledge the strategic role they play in the larger picture.
So I go back to my original question - what does your definition of "best" even entail?
Seems like the overall news is great and the news in the Mac sales is ok. However one wants to spin this the Mac sales don’t really change the overall picture.
Uh, that's why it's called "disposable income".
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No, they are worried that you have earned more than someone else who hasn't earned it and would like to take it from you and give it to them.
Aging computer lineup, lack of focus on software (helloooooooo, Catalina issues) focus on profits, supply, chain, logistics not the future.
And, in a word. Hubris.
I think Tom Sculley wants a Pepsi or something....
There is no Steve Jobs waiting in the wings to save this beast. With all the resources they have to bring to bear, when was the last time something revolutionary was developed by Apple? Probably Apple Watch.
I rode out the Scully years. It was kinda cool to buy one of the first MacBook Pro's with an Intel Core Duo processor in it. No one else I knew what fiddling with it.
Even if I DID have to take the whole damn thing apart and smear the chipset with Arctic Silver to get it to run without overheating....
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My only real concern with Apple is lack of focus on experience as they shift to selling us services or what some call monetizing users.
Ads in news app. Atv app on Apple TV. Top shelf removed in place of ads. A blatant in your face effort to sell channels. Mixing paid content in with formerly free apps.
I’ll be honest. I’m less happy with Apple TV. Feels like such a downgrade with latest update.
I understand why they’re doing it but again it’s a very distinct change. Delighting customers. Just works. Customer experience matters. Those are what got Apple where they are. Not pushing subs and ads.
Ads in news app. Atv app on Apple TV. Top shelf removed in place of ads. A blatant in your face effort to sell channels. Mixing paid content in with formerly free apps.
I’ll be honest. I’m less happy with Apple TV. Feels like such a downgrade with latest update.
I understand why they’re doing it but again it’s a very distinct change. Delighting customers. Just works. Customer experience matters. Those are what got Apple where they are. Not pushing subs and ads.
Who says customers aren’t delighted? And if one customer isn’t delighted does that mean Apple fails?
If seeing ads delights you then awesome. Never said Apple fails. But I’m sure I’m not alone in not liking being served ads and having subs pushed on me.
That sounds like a made up statistic.FYI Corvette Sales are only 11 percent of GM over all sales
Are you talking about the ads in the news app? That is minimal advertising for an app like that.
what subs are being “pushed” on you? And how? Do you not have a choice?
Who cares if the estimates were higher one quarter? Estimates are made up by analysts that said Apple was doomed.
They exceeded Mac sales versus last year, despite not having the same refresh lineup.
When Mac is refreshed again, sales will do even higher. Apple also said Mac installed base is at an all time high.
Hate on and ignore facts.
Sure, I don’t mind Apple oriented ads. But you used the term “delights you”. In certain posts in macrumors there clearly isn’t room for any grey areas. Everything is either black or white.
It was! GM sold 2.15 million vehicles (U.S.) last year and only 14,480 were Corvettes. Source goodcarbadcar.
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It is. GM sells about 25K Corvettes annually versus about 9 million total vehicles. That's 0.25% of total vehicles sold. Even when adjusting for price, Corvette sales amount to only about one-half of one percent of total revenue.
The money they give away in dividends is certainly money they don't know how to spend.