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Apple Requesting Potential Motorola Bond of Up to $16 Billion in German Patent Case
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Trust me, I do care, and I did 2 months of research before making the crossover and purchasing my first imac this July, so for me, it was a calculated move rather than a blind leap of faith.
Then maybe you can show me the math? Because based on what I have read online, the cost of manufacturing actually comes out pretty similar. Dell CPUs by themselves are naturally cheaper because you get just that - the CPU. No screen, no keyboard, no mouse, no webcam, nothing. Throw in a 27' screen with all these little odds and ends thrown in and the final cost is actually quite comparable.
The only advantage for windows PCs is that you can opt to strip out parts which you do not need, or use cheaper alternatives (such as that old keyboard you still have lying around, or an inexpensive 20' display), thus artificially driving down the cost. But then, the comparison is no longer meaningful, because you are literally getting what you pay for.
Here is one such article.
http://www.mi-cohen.com/content/forum-topic/dell-vs-imac
I cut out most of your rant, but I do find it ironic that you should talk about "Fanboys" spelling, while your grammar leaves a lot to be desired. Don't throw rocks in a glass house...
P.S. Not all PC's are crappy. But most Dell's are. This coming from someone that has owned all kinds of PC's since the early 80's, including many Dell's.
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I didn't name any person in any of my comments. The fact that you spun out so defensively speaks volumes though.
All the most technologically adept and intelligent people I know use macs for the computers these days. It is not by accident.
They are not overpriced if you actually know how to value what you are getting. You do seem to have some sort of general chip on your shoulder towards Apple so it does explain you taking the comments personally.
If you think apple computers and products are all overpriced what are you doing here? I think lots of things in the world are overpriced yet I spend 0 minutes and 0 seconds a year roaming forums and message boards for those products railing at people who use them. Since you claim to be an audio pro, perhaps you should listen to yourself sometime.
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I didn't name any person in any of my comments. The fact that you spun out so defensively speaks volumes though.
All the most technologically adept and intelligent people I know use macs for the computers these days. It is not by accident.
They are not overpriced if you actually know how to value what you are getting. You do seem to have some sort of general chip on your shoulder towards Apple so it does explain you taking the comments personally.
If you think apple computers and products are all overpriced what are you doing here? I think lots of things in the world are overpriced yet I spend 0 minutes and 0 seconds a year roaming forums and message boards for those products railing at people who use them. Since you claim to be an audio pro, perhaps you should listen to yourself sometime.
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Lol where did I call anyone mentally Ill. I said trolling websites for things you hate is not normal and not healthy. Are you claiming differently?
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Lol where did I call anyone mentally Ill. I said trolling websites for things you hate is not normal and not healthy. Are you claiming differently?
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The article is about Motorola suing Apple and Apple requesting a bond for lost sales in case they win in Germany and Motorola loses their court case against Apple. Please read this article before you rant
The article is about Motorola suing Apple and Apple requesting a bond for lost sales in case they win in Germany and Motorola loses their court case against Apple. Please read this article before you rant
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Even if the image is manipulated, the dimensions filed in the legal brief aren't manipulated. All you have to do us read the legal brief about product appearance. The products in the pictures aren't to scale unless specified because the you have to compare the sizes and you do so with metrics, not an image.
Even if the image is manipulated, the dimensions filed in the legal brief aren't manipulated. All you have to do us read the legal brief about product appearance. The products in the pictures aren't to scale unless specified because the you have to compare the sizes and you do so with metrics, not an image.
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Each person entitled to his own opinion. That is not the issue here. The issue is when people spew hate and disgust without contributing positively. He Is saying that this forum is for people who support apple and want to hear about apple news. It's a positive place. It's not a hate forum. Please feel free to have your own opinions. I agree with original poster that hate and negative emotions are unhealthy behaviors.
Each person entitled to his own opinion. That is not the issue here. The issue is when people spew hate and disgust without contributing positively. He Is saying that this forum is for people who support apple and want to hear about apple news. It's a positive place. It's not a hate forum. Please feel free to have your own opinions. I agree with original poster that hate and negative emotions are unhealthy behaviors.
If 95% of the people in the world were using mac computers, and there was no other viable alternative, then yes, you might have a case. But when apple hardware is for most part still a minority in the marketplace, I don't see how this can ever be construed as a monopoly, since people still have the option of simply going windows, and they really won't be any worse off for it.
Why, is your local supermarket a monopoly just because it doesn't carry a certain brand of potato chips or soda? Should apple stores start stocking dell PCs next? Do you similarly chastise ATnT for not selling sprint data plans? It's just business, plain and simple.
Steve Jobs isn't holding you in an armlock and forcing you to only use apple products. You should have known the limitations when you made the move to apple, why are you complaining now? So what if I remove the standard iphone apps? I don't find myself any worse off...
The guy that i quoted(seriously just read his post it's not that hard), was using the same arguments against Microsoft, and I was just showing him that Apple is the same if not worse. (And all you said in your post can be applied the other way around)
The only apple product i use is iPhone(Of course jailbroken). I would never buy an mac, anyone who has knowledge about computers tend to stay away from mac. But hey, if you want to throwaway your money on a mac that has way slower hardware(with a locked OS) then what you actually could be getting for that kind of money, then it's your choice (well not if you're brainwashed), but in the end it's your money, and the gadget is cool looking!.
btw, Steve is not twisting anyones arm, haven't you read the news?
THOSE ARE all of the Asian knock-offs. HTC + SAMSUNG = 90% of the knock-off market, with HTC being probably 90% of that. HTC makes phones, tablets, and fake apple everything for every other company, and eventually started pooing out HTC devices.
If you ever want to understand why the i devices are so much better from a hardware/glass/navigation standpoint, all one must do is go use one of the copies and feel the soft/smushy/cheap touch screen. Furthermore, LONG AGO IN GALAXY FAR FAR AWAY - Apple patented "multi-touch gestures using primarily fingers" to navigate, control, and interact with portable digital devices. If they didn't copy they interface, app pics, AND multi-touch gestures, this would be nothing.
However, all of those HTC, Samsung, and other devices NOT paying to license multi-touch from apple are breaking the law, as apple patented all of this BEFORE they even came out with the iPhone. If you go back far enough, you can read all of the rumors associated with what kind of device do these new apple patents go to? At the time, it was speculated to be a phone, a larger iPod, maybe a full-size drawing/CAD monitor - and often a laptop screen
Just because you don't have any idea how long apple developed and wrote patents for what is only now on the market, does not mean it is new. It just took HTC a really long time to have the balls to say f-it, and copy the entire platform using a "free OS" that also copied everything, and is actually more like a mobile advertising/data-theft/kind-of works right turd.
I must know 100 people who swore by their android whatever, only to come out and say how much better the entire computing experience, from management - to syncing - to applications that are processed and work vs the piece-meal android thing that crashed, had a mushy screen, and "touch resolution larger than size of the letters on the screen.
This isn't Mac OSX vs Windows . this is Apple vs a Copy of apple with no effort to emulate, rather cheapen the product, and make buyers think they are basically buying they exact same thing as an iPad, iPhone, etc when in fact they are buying a really cheap copy with a totally failed integration methodology.
At one point, when ATT was crapping out, I wanted to switch. I went and played with all the GREATEST Android phones - and the result was - "How pitiful is it that people are being baited into thinking this is what an iPhone is like.
I am in the same boat. I like my Apple products, but I don't really like the Apple culture and its blind followers.
I guess it is human nature.
Wrong, Apple has patented SOME gestures and some of them like the slide to unlock would be invalidated.
By the way, can you show any sentence showing other companies infringing multi touch gestures patents?
If they would lose $2-3B per year in lost business, and licensing the IP costs but a fraction of that, the sensible solution is that Apple pays Motorola licensing fees - fees that get repaid with interest in the event Apple should eventually come out as a winner.
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Apple suing MSFT is like Pakistan attacking China. Nothing good would ever come out of it. Especially not for the former. That said, I'm sure they have all sorts of x-licensing agreements. Both Apple and MSFT seem to openly and shamelessly copy from each other - both in mobile and pc.
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From what i can remember there is a good overview to find in the previous thread on the matter. Don't remember much myself other than it being connected to syncing states over several devices (e.g. pagers).
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I read the bold-marked paragraph three times, still don't get it. If MSFT knew they infringed, and that they'd eventually lose to Apple, why not let them die?
Second, Jobs stating something and something being fact is... well, lets just call it non-equivalent. Third, the same goes for having a patent, and that patent being robust enough to stand in court.
Last, Apple does not have a patent on making a smart-phone (as we now know it). They set a trend, others followed. It happens everywhere, everyday, in every market. Others are in their full right to follow in Apples steps. Jobs may not like it, but thats the way it is. And, we should be happy - not sad or upset - that is the case.
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while Steve Jobs patents a glass staircase [sic!], Gates patents electromagnetic engines and a technique to slow down the path of Hurricanes. One is actually an engineer, the other is not. Guess who...
Dell CPUs? Computers just being CPUs? Wha...?
Now, to get to the point - i disagree. Apple products do tend to come at a premium, and especially if you step away from the baseline. That said, their model is clever - as it allows them to front a baseline price that looks quite ok while still raking in big margins on modifications (e.g. a larger SSD, or more RAM). In the end, 9 times out of 10 (probably closer to 10) you get more bang for the buck not buying Apple. Want a 27" screen? DELL's 27" IPS is cheaper. Want 4gb of RAM instead of 2? Non-Apple is cheaper. Want a 2TB drive? Non-Apple is cheaper.
Ergo, not only does "PC" allow you to strip out parts, it also allows you to add parts at a lower cost. Modularity tends to do that. Especially when set free in the market. Apples computers are not more expensive just because they use better hardware. In that sense, you're really not getting what you pay for.
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In Australia one guy patented the wheel, in Spain a lady got property rights to the sun. Papers are always just that, papers. What matters in the end is if anyone cares what it says. So far, courts does not seem to care. And rightly so, multi-touch were around long before the iPhone came out. Gestures themselves go back far in time. In the end, if you did not invent it you have no right to it - regardless of how many piece of papers you might have.
Must have been something you saw on CSI.
The courts have determined Apple didn't tamper with anything. Maybe you saw some sort of claim on the internet to that effect. Turns out that's all it was.
They haven't broken any laws. There is nothing wrong with monopolies. It's what you do with them.
Apple has some IP claims they'd like to test in court. Looks like they have a case.
MS broke laws.
Apple is applying to the courts because they have a complaint. People do that sometimes.
Steve could say whatever he wanted as long as Apple pursued their cause via legal means. Apple is putting their money where their mouth is and having their competition test the strength of their IP (or lack thereof), which Apple has alleged infringes on their own.
There is nothing illegal about applying to the courts to settle disputes.
Apple owns 'few' multi-touch gesture patents and those as far as i know count just as much as any other patents.
Such as these:
http://www.bgr.com/2011/11/01/apple-awarded-two-new-multitouch-patents/
Another one:
http://www.appleinsider.com/article...ted_to_apple_seen_as_huge_blow_to_rivals.html
There are obviously more, though.
I believe when both those got posted here it was figured out pretty quickly that it the bloggers blew it way out of line. It was figured out the patents were very limited in scope and really could not be used as a weapon. They were not that broad but very specific much to the dismay of the fanboys and girls.
That isn't being disputed. They are still patents related to multitouch. Apple has more than a few.
So what is being disputed LTD? Do tell us. Because it seems like these conversations just go in circles. Especially when people (like yourself) start posting random links to "related" facts but that aren't on point either.
At the end of the day - no one here - including you - is equipped to judge who is in the right and who is in the wrong. And even the judges presiding are probably not qualified. But it is in the hands of the courts. Everything else is irrelevant.