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According to Dutch IDG publication Webwereld.nl, the image used for a side-by-side comparison between the iPad 2 and the GalTab 10.1 is either wrong or manipulated. On page 28 of Apple’s filing, the image of the Galaxy Tab 10.1 has been cropped and the image ratio has been tampered with. Samsung’s tablet measures in at 10.1in x 6.9in x 0.34in, while the iPad 2 sports dimensions of 9.5in x 7.31in x .34in.


So if you were looking at the tablets side-by-side (both in portrait position), you’d notice that the iPad 2 is a bit wider from side to side, but shorter in length. Based on the specified dimensions, the aspect ratio of the GalTab would be 1.46. In Apple’s evidential image, the aspect ratio is 1.36 (8 percent wider than it should be), making the Galaxy Tab 10.1′s “overall appearance” look “practically identical” to the iPad 2 (which has an aspect ratio of 1.30). And that’s exactly the language Apple used in its complaint — also on page 28.

Apple believes that Samsung is the most potential threat for its product and it will be a serious problem in years ahead if Apple lets Samsung to develop further. That's why Apple will do everything to stop Samsung,.. whatever it takes, even with an extreme prejudice like that :p
 
I find absurd that apple can't release a version of iOS and Lion without icloud support, heck Lion didn't have iCloud at 10.7.0, surely it wouldn't cost them 2.7 billion a year to make such versions...
 
Boycott Apple on December 23rd!!!!!

Pass the message. People must see how wrong this is from any company, not only Apple!!!!

We have a voice and we want choice!

Copy and paste.
 
I think most people don't understand

I think the people who are upset here don't understand what is going on in the court. This isn't some "trick" or some ploy. It's a normal concept.
It's the legal version of "put your money where your mouth is"

or "These are serious claims. Don't make these claims and that will damage the company severely if you ultimately can't prove you're correct."

What can you possibly think is "evil" about Apple saying this?

Lets be clear here... Google is fighting Apple by Proxy with HTC and Motorola.
They are doing all their dirty deeds in these fights and publicly staying "neutral" in the public's perception. if they lose the fight, then google says "but Apple we always loved you!" if Apple loses, then google benefits tremendously.. in directly int he case of HTC and directly in the case of motorola
 
Boycott Apple on December 23rd!!!!!

Pass the message. People must see how wrong this is from any company, not only Apple!!!!

We have a voice and we want choice!

Copy and paste.

December 23rd I go back to India to see my family.

Definitely I'll boycott Apple after 2 PM after I'm done buying a Macbook Air for my brother, 2 iPhone 4S for my parents and an iPod nano for my little daughter.

I'm with you buddy.
 
Boycott Apple on December 23rd!!!!!

Pass the message. People must see how wrong this is from any company, not only Apple!!!!

We have a voice and we want choice!

Copy and paste.

Is ironic to ask for a boycott to Apple in a thread about a trial where the defendant is Apple

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Lets be clear here... Google is fighting Apple by Proxy with HTC and Motorola.

Let's be clear, you're totally wrong. In the case of HTC the first to sue was Apple, in the case of Motorola, the first was Motorola but Google has nothing to do.
 
December 23rd I go back to India to see my family.

Definitely I'll boycott Apple after 2 PM after I'm done buying a Macbook Air for my brother, 2 iPhone 4S for my parents and an iPod nano for my little daughter.

I'm with you buddy.

Buy your Apple stuff before and after December 23rd. Just one day to show that "everyone" needs to get back to innovation. These lawsuits do not benefit the consumer. It only highlights the greed.
 
This thread has gone so far beyond the realm of reason that the trolls should just call for victory now. The embarrassment here is that Mac Rumors gives them a score system to see how well they trolled.

Stop the post voting system now.
 
We'll all forget about this in a week anyway, I don't see why half of the thread comments are people getting upset on the internet.
 
$16,000,000,000 is a lot of money. I guess this will ensure that Motorola will actually bring a valid case.
 
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I bet 99% don't know what the hell you're talking about. This is big business. Apple is a public company and they have to protect the investors money since they own Apple.
The board has to do everything possible to keep Apple ahead of the game.
 
Boycott Apple on December 23rd!!!!!

Pass the message. People must see how wrong this is from any company, not only Apple!!!!

We have a voice and we want choice!

Copy and paste.

Yeah, right.

Here, I copy and pasted it for you (quoted it.)

No one actually cares about any of this, but if you can reach the 5-6 people in this thread who are screaming about it, you'll have really achieved something (until the retina-iPad arrives and all this is forgotten.)

Watch these guys "boycott" Apple from the comfort of their iPads and Macs. Delicious.

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The EU will start to look at the break-up of Apple's increasingly claustrophobic ecosystem within the next few years.

There has to be wrongdoing first, and that has to be proven.

The EU has looked at all this before - especially re the "iTunes monopoly" and nothing came of it.

This is just a legal dispute between Apple and another tech company. Nothing nefarious. Apple has a claim and they are pursuing it. It happens all the time. That is why the courts exist.

Apple's "increasingly claustrophobic ecosystem" is their right. You can choose to not participate in it.

Do note, that consumers seem to be choosing Apple's "increasingly claustrophobic ecosystem" despite the easy and abundant availability of other choices.

There you have it. There's that whole "choice" thing people talk about. In action.
 
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Is ironic to ask for a boycott to Apple in a thread about a trial where the defendant is Apple

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Let's be clear, you're totally wrong. In the case of HTC the first to sue was Apple, in the case of Motorola, the first was Motorola but Google has nothing to do.

Do some research before you are so flippant.
Yes, Apple sued HTC first. That is not what I was referring to.

Google used HTC to develop the Nexus One [1]
HTC were the first android to enable multitouch on their devices, ignoring Apple's patent claims to them. Previous vendors until that point had stayed away from this. Google was certainly aware of this.[2]

And of course the recent magical patent portfolio that appeared on HTC's doorstep. [3]

Google never had an interest in Motorola before Apple sued HTC and they suddenly buy it up and then immediately sell some of the patents to HTC.
They declined to reveal the sum.

Google themselves were worried apple too and indeed shoring up its own defenses against google after it lost the bid on the nortel patents in July 2011.

Now we have the new Motorola,( which is owned by google remember ) in the heated battle with Apple on the ipad. Motorola's best use of the countersuit against Apple is get some leverage in a settlement fir the ipad. If motorola succeeds in stopping Apple products in Germany, it won't damage Apple much. Google, however is most interested in getting every single possible legal edge against the ipad /iphone/apple so that it can help all the android platform vendors ( Samsung, HTC, etcetc... ) survive and ultimately keep Android a viable platform for new customers ( I don't mean consumers here )

Still don't think Google is not fighting a war by proxy?

There is a realistic possibility of the alure of the platform fading away from commercial use, if the only way to make a competitive device with their OS becomes an infringing minefield with Apple. Notice Apple isn't suing Microsoft and didn't sue HP either.

I'm no Apple zealot, but you're a fool if you don't think Steve Jobs was right about every aspect of Google ripping Apple off. They were headstrong doing their own thing until they saw what Apple had and realized Apple was going to change the world and that they had missed the boat entirely.

I do think there's a long road ahead for these lawsuits, but the consumer benefits in the end. Competitive product lines, low prices, and dramatic leaps in innovation.


[1] http://www.computerweekly.com/blogs...google-story-a-love-affair-and-a-tragedy.html

[2] http://techcrunch.com/2010/03/02/google-htc-apple-lawsuit/


[3] http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2011-...lleging-infringement-of-four-u-s-patents.html
 
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Buy your Apple stuff before and after December 23rd. Just one day to show that "everyone" needs to get back to innovation. These lawsuits do not benefit the consumer. It only highlights the greed.

Actually, they do, I am not a fan of lawsuits but I can't deny that throughout history they did help in shaping the world as we know it today, lawsuits are dirty, but sometimes necessary
 
Do some research before you are so flippant.
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The fact is that perhaps Google is helping HTC but is not fightong by proxy.
And Motorola sued Apple way before Google said it will buy, thing that still doesn't have happened. Motorola is NOT owned by Google


I'm no Apple zealot, but you're a fool if you don't think Steve Jobs was right about every aspect of Google ripping Apple off.

What aspects? Dutch judges are fools? Judge Kohl is a fool?
 
Now this is a story that I like. Its always nice to read stories about how the real world works outside otaku dogma. Smart move from Apples lawyers which I would say are very good at what they do. Now Motorola what do you have on your side of the legal chessboard. :cool:
 
Apple is not a convicted monopoly abuser.

Apple has to actually reach *this* level:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_v._Microsoft

Microsoft Chairman Bill Gates was called "evasive and nonresponsive" by a source present at a session in which Gates was questioned on his deposition.[2] He argued over the definitions of words such as "compete", "concerned", "ask", and "we".[3] BusinessWeek reported, "Early rounds of his deposition show him offering obfuscatory answers and saying 'I don't recall' so many times that even the presiding judge had to chuckle.

Worse, many of the technology chief's denials and pleas of ignorance have been directly refuted by prosecutors with snippets of E-mail Gates both sent and received."[4] Intel Vice-President Steven McGeady, called as a witness, quoted Paul Maritz, a senior Microsoft vice president as having stated an intention to "extinguish" and "smother" rival Netscape Communications Corporation and to "cut off Netscape's air supply" by giving away a clone of Netscape's flagship product for free. The Microsoft executive denied the allegations.[5]

A number of videotapes were submitted as evidence by Microsoft during the trial, including one that demonstrated that removing Internet Explorer from Microsoft Windows caused slowdowns and malfunctions in Windows.

In the videotaped demonstration of what Microsoft vice president James Allchin's stated to be a seamless segment filmed on one PC, the plaintiff noticed that some icons mysteriously disappear and reappear on the PC's desktop, suggesting that the effects might have been falsified.[6] Allchin admitted that the blame for the tape problems lay with some of his staff "They ended up filming it -- grabbing the wrong screen shot," he said of the incident.

Later, Allchin re-ran the demonstration and provided a new videotape, but in so doing Microsoft dropped the claim that Windows is slowed down when Internet Explorer is removed. Mark Murray, a Microsoft spokesperson, berated the government attorneys for "nitpicking on issues like video production."[7] Microsoft submitted a second inaccurate videotape into evidence later the same month as the first. The issue in question was how easy or hard it was for America Online users to download and install Netscape Navigator onto a Windows PC. Microsoft's videotape showed the process as being quick and easy, resulting in the Netscape icon appearing on the user's desktop.

The government produced its own videotape of the same process, revealing that Microsoft's videotape had conveniently removed a long and complex part of the procedure and that the Netscape icon was not placed on the desktop, requiring a user to search for it. Brad Chase, a Microsoft vice president, verified the government's tape and conceded that Microsoft's own tape was falsified.
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Abuse of monopoly, lying (or perjury, provided they were under oath), presenting false evidence in court, etc.

Sorry. Apple is *nothing* like Microsoft. Nothing they've done to date even approaches that.

Netscape thing usually is the only thing that comes up when MS is in the evil spotlight. Apple has had dozens of arguable crappy things they have been doing over the years. Bill Gates is just a BOSS. Period. He handled that depo no problem, and he handled Apple like it wasn't a problem either, when they competed. Right amount on the paycheck and he could have even you saying "yes sir" and "right away sir" I think Apple handles your checks for the forum PR though *wink* I think its cool, get paid.

As far as the topic goes, I just see it as normal court and lawyer stuff. Nothing for anyone to get all up in arms about.
 
I'm amused that the discussion has boiled down to:
1) haters hating
2) fanbois hating
3) people talking about how #1 and #2 should go away.

So... I clicked around and encountered the patent in question:
http://worldwide.espacenet.com/publ...=EPODOC&locale=en_EP&CC=EP&NR=0847654B1&KC=B1

US equivalent:
http://patft.uspto.gov/netacgi/nph-...50&s1=5754119.PN.&OS=PN/5754119&RS=PN/5754119

Sounds like "push mail status over wireless?" Anybody want to give a better overview?

I think is more about syncing data status over networks


By the way, a patent that shows how broken is the system
 
I think is more about syncing data status over networks


By the way, a patent that shows how broken is the system

If you read it in French, it states:

Sync systems and procedures of multiple telemobile state of reception.

Hmm... very confusing like most patents. Basically could be anything from email, contacts pictures, etc
 
Watch these guys "boycott" Apple from the comfort of their iPads and Macs. Delicious..

Oh yes LTD, it's "Delicious" - and oh so "tasty"... I just love when you Speak "Fanboy"... I'm sure everyone is really impressed at you as you continue to show that you know absolutely nothing about business or technology but are excellent at parroting Fanboy Keywords and Talking points!!!!

Please say "elegant" a few times too. God, that kinda talk really has "the sex" and is just "gorgeous" ... It's people like you who really "skate to where the puck is going to be"...
 
Oh yes LTD, it's "Delicious" - and oh so "tasty"... I just love when you Speak "Fanboy"... I'm sure everyone is really impressed at you as you continue to show that you know absolutely nothing about business or technology but are excellent at parroting Fanboy Keywords and Talking points!!!!

Please say "elegant" a few times too. God, that kinda talk really has "the sex" and is just "gorgeous" ... It's people like you who really "skate to where the puck is going to be"...

HAHA I LOL'ed at work :D
 
Oh yes LTD, it's "Delicious" - and oh so "tasty"... I just love when you Speak "Fanboy"... I'm sure everyone is really impressed at you as you continue to show that you know absolutely nothing about business or technology but are excellent at parroting Fanboy Keywords and Talking points!!!!

Please say "elegant" a few times too. God, that kinda talk really has "the sex" and is just "gorgeous" ... It's people like you who really "skate to where the puck is going to be"...

Almost spit my drink out! HAHA
 
so far, most of the posts don't indicate the poster has any knowledge at all of corporate operations, how lawsuits are leveraged from both prosecutors and defense, of copyright value to companies who invest in creating, funding, developing, manufacturing and distribution. it's like...let's throw all that out the window and just let corporations do what they want. who cares?

when the tone is mostly....aww, come on, apple, it reminds me of what my Pops said Rodney King said after his beat up....can't we just all get along? just doesn't work that way. if entities can take what they want, copy what they want, and their actions are ignored, then why bother to create at all, whether it's computer designs, music, medical equipment or anything that has value to society at large.

it's really got nothing at all to do with being a fanboy (or fangirl, as i have several female friends who are fans of different stuff) but with the ability to be entrepreneurial and invest time, energy and love in what you create and being able to benefit from your creation. if apple violates, they too have to pay the piper, as it should be.

^^^Best post

***Rant
I don't understand why there is so much anti-apple sentiment on this forum? I love Porsches, but I don't go to chevy or Ferrari forums to talk trash about what those people like. You have a choice, don't ridicule other for making a different one than you.
***rant over

Back on topic....It is far easier to just ignore IP and let anyone steal what they want, but I bet if someone stole something from one of you, you would be bitching and cursing the thief.

It is pathetic to hear of yet another patent suite, but they (Sansung, Apple, etc) are following due course so just let the courts decide.
 
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