You don't like that Patreon charges fees... so you support Apple butting in and taking 2-3 times what Patreon typically does? On top of the fees that Patreon charges? If you use Patreon, there must be some creator out there you want to have money - why would you want almost half of what you give them to go to middlemen? Don't you want it to go to your creator? Isn't that why you gave money in the first place? I'm really struggling to understand how you could actually use Patreon and still support Apple in this case. I could see a small fee for payment processing or whatever, but 30%?!?
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Apple Requiring Patreon to Use In-App Purchase and Pay 30% Fee for Memberships
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Are you just going to keep making up things about me?
Why are you okay with Patreon charging creators 12-27% for use of their platform, but not Apple charging Patreon 15-30% for use of its platform? I don't like how much Apple charges, but I do think it's hypocritical to say one platform has a right to charge but the other doesn't.
Patreon is playing chess while apple is player checkers... this is a top news story everywhere cuz Patreon called Apple out.
Greedy Apple taxes small businesses and content creators.
Perfect PR disaster in the making!
Perfect PR disaster in the making!
I really don't understand your point. Make it clear for us - you support Apple taking a cut of money that some other person made, not because they have any relation to Apple, but because the payment originated on the phone Apple made? Am I reading your words incorrectly?
No. You deliberately misstated what I said. I was clear. I think Apple has the same right to charge for digital content on it’s platform as Patreon does on it’s platform.
Patreon doesn't set prices - the creators on Patreon do. Moreover, Patreon is transparent about the fees it charges, so that Creators can price their subscription tiers with them in mind.
None of what Apple is doing makes any sense. It’s actually hurting customers and the experience.
I get Apple collecting 30% for when you buy an app on the App Store. It’s no different than Amazon taking 40% of my revenue when I sell products on their platform using FBA. You provide the platform for me to monetize. Great!
But I’m not paying 30% extra to buy a product or service on the app. So why does Apple feel the need to do this with Hulu, Patreon, etc… when it doesn’t with Amazon purchases?
If Apple wants to make more money, then any app that makes income from within the app, that isn’t through Apple’s payment gateway (like in-app purchases), should be charged a flat monthly fee based on user base.
I get Apple collecting 30% for when you buy an app on the App Store. It’s no different than Amazon taking 40% of my revenue when I sell products on their platform using FBA. You provide the platform for me to monetize. Great!
But I’m not paying 30% extra to buy a product or service on the app. So why does Apple feel the need to do this with Hulu, Patreon, etc… when it doesn’t with Amazon purchases?
If Apple wants to make more money, then any app that makes income from within the app, that isn’t through Apple’s payment gateway (like in-app purchases), should be charged a flat monthly fee based on user base.
Apple is clear about its fees too. App Store purchases can set their price to cover the 30% fee as well.
Patreon is not Netflix or YouTube. They are not a content delivery service. They are a service that allows supporters to send money to creators who are doing something the supporter likes, in the hopes that the creator will keep doing it. Many creators post their stuff on YouTube or SoundCloud or Mega. What Apple is doing here is exactly analogous to Apple wanting a 30% cut because you decided to send your buddy $5 via Apple Pay.
AKA, a reasonable cut. Apple could learn a thing or two.
Like every other company in the world Apple is not in the business to give things away for free.
All 3 of those companies make money from the content, why shouldn't Apple.
Because Apple provides very little value here. The Patreon App is not primarily a discovery platform. Generally you will find out about a creator through some other means, then follow a link to Patreon (or the app) and support them there. Apple does not deserve a finder's fee here - they have almost nothing to do with a supporter making a decision to send a creator money. Apple is just trying to take a huge cut because they can.
Many of the people who get their money through Patreon could be considered small businesses.
This is an incredibly stupid move by Apple - Patreon tells their creators, who then tell their collectively millions of supporters that Apple is trying to take 30% of the supporters' donations. Thus giving millions of ordinary folks who haven't been following this EU drama at all a reason to think very poorly of Apple, at the same time that governments all over the world are seriously considering regulating them. An own goal if ever there was one.
I am legit surprised that iOS users are not being subjected to more money for the same service for so long. All devs should’ve just hiked their iOS fee right from the get go, maybe around iOS 3 era, so then customers are more accustomed to pay higher fees in the impression that “we get better apps” while indie and small developers still can make their ends meet. It’s despicable for Apple to pass on the commission cost to developers rather than customers. Thankfully, Patreon stands up for the greater good for once and officially announce the iOS subscription will be more expensive. I fully support this move and will continue to support creators I like OUTSIDE of App Store. Apple don’t deserve the cut creators rightfully deserve. If they are still fiercely pursuing the fallacy that is rapid unlimited growth, they deserve to fall, HARD.
Hats off for Patreon today from me.
Hats off for Patreon today from me.
Almost no one says Apple is going to give away things “for free”, not when EU debacle starts, not during Epic v Apple saga, and not today. All people ask is for Apple to not charge 30%, or 15% even. Maybe 10% or 8% or whatever amount that is Less than 30% Charge LESS, not “provide service for free”.
And I can imagine the outrage if Apple starts to charge a 30% transaction fee for all money flowing through their Apple Pay system, whether it’s you sending money to your family member, or pay a business, or just transfer money to another account.
Some might argue “Apple won’t do things this stupid”. Hold my beer. Never say never. Who knows if Apple is so desperate for the next 100% revenue boom to please those handful of shareholders and investors, they are going this kind of scorched earth tactic.
That’s exactly what they are.
No, it a platform for purchasing digital content. Just like Netflix or iOS. The rest is spin.
Blatantly false. Many creators don't give their supporters anything either digital or physical. Many creators post things for free, with just a tagline in the credits for supporters. "Spin" must be your word for facts you don't like.
The issue here is not “Patreon charges 12-27% for use of their platform thus Apple charging 15-30% is justified”. The issue is both charges STACK, meaning creators will either end up having much less money in Their bank account, or they are forced to charge iOS customers more to cover the unjustifiable extra 30% commission fee.
I would probably work the hell out of me to avoid being taxed twice if that’s a real possibility. Same situation here.