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There is no limit on the number of Macs that you can install a Mac App Store app on for personal use as long as you own or control each Mac.
That only concerns purchases from the App Store. Not the Mac App Store.
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Apple Retail Stores Receive Golden Master Copies of OS X Lion
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There is no limit on the number of Macs that you can install a Mac App Store app on for personal use as long as you own or control each Mac.
That only concerns purchases from the App Store. Not the Mac App Store.
Nice of Apple to come up with a simple and straightforward agreement:
"Install on all authorized computers
When you purchase Lion from the Mac App Store, you can install it on all your authorized Mac computers. Just sign in to the Mac App Store from each Mac and download Lion from the Purchases list."
http://www.apple.com/macosx/whats-new/features.html
Doesn't say anything about installing it on non-authorised computers, but equally, it doesn't say you can't.
There is no technical measure to "authorize" a computer for the Mac App Store. I think in this context, an "authorized computer" is just a computer that you are permitted to install the app on through the license agreement. (For example, all computers that you own or control if the app is for personal use.)
Nope, I don't have knowledge of Apple's data centers, I quoted my own experience with our own data centers. With the costs of these centers being so high, all those I have happened to work it have been multi-purposed to both customer facing applications and internal systems.
I'm sure Apple's NC data center houses both types of systems. And again, I'm not emoing, I was answering a point. The people trying to find "solutions" are the ones emoing that Apple's single distribution method doesn't seem to work for everybody.
I'm in my thirties btw, if it pleases m'lord.
Quite far from a young welp, yet not an old cripple yet.Amen Brother!!! Got that KinghtWRX???
Got what ? I don't own nor control my GF's computer, how hard is that to understand.
Got that Sodner ???
Copyright law is made that if you don't have a license to copy from the right holder, you can't copy. Hence, if it's not stated explicitly that you can, you can't.
Yeah, even the slide from the WWDC just says all your authorised Macs, with no mention of any limits.
Fair enough and apologies for what may have been an overly personal post. I am sure you must realise my point though. It's somewhat pointless for us to be speculating on the exact set up of Apple's operations and how the infrastructure is built to support the Mac App Store and digital distribution ties in to their retail channel support, if at all. I cannot comment on Apple with any authority but I can comment on a competitor's. Just because they are distributing Lion this way to their retail outlets does not mean anything at all about what their "confidence" is when it comes to digital distribution.Nope, I don't have knowledge of Apple's data centers, I quoted my own experience with our own data centers. With the costs of these centers being so high, all those I have happened to work it have been multi-purposed to both customer facing applications and internal systems.
I'm sure Apple's NC data center houses both types of systems. And again, I'm not emoing, I was answering a point. The people trying to find "solutions" are the ones emoing that Apple's single distribution method doesn't seem to work for everybody.
I'm in my thirties btw, if it pleases m'lord.
Use your pittifly slow and capped ISP and download the thing twice.
I'll download it once, install it on my 3 Mac's and be done before you know it.
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I think it's likely to be a belt and braces approach. They probably are fully capable of downloading Lion for their machines from Apple's corporate servers, but can you imagine the embarrassment if a store's IP connection went down during the night before the launch? The next day, people piled in to try out the new OS, only to be greeted by Snow Leopard.
You're not thinking differently.
But, the installation images are volatile until the last minute, whereas signage and print material and clothing needs to be created weeks before the event.
It's much more flexible to keep the floor model images on a network server so that the physical marketing package isn't tied to the product bits. If there's a last minute software problem (which some rumours suggest), you don't have to rebuild the marketing shipments and re-clone hundreds of hard drives.
I assumed that all it would take is for the pointy-haired store manager to launch an AppleScript.
Cheers!
if you think about it, when you bought a mac, it came with an OS. Most of the people buying their CD's were using them to build Hackintoshes.
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would u mind quoting the right guy at least. i never said anything about ur gf or ur relationship for that matter.
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You live how you want to live with your GF and I will live how I want to live with mine. Please take your relationship counseling elsewhere. We have arrangements where we share certain pre-determined costs and don't others. I will not rearrange my entire life style around an OS purchase because Apple changed their rules.
Also, questioning someone else's lifestyle choice is very poor. Who do you think you are to question how we have decided to live our lives ?
Again guys : This is how it is. No matter how much it makes you unhappy and frustrated that Apple's chosen distribution doesn't work for me won't change anything. If you don't want me replying to you explaining to you over and over again how their distribution model is broken in my case, then just don't try to offer "workarounds" which are simply piracy. I know all the options. Heck, I'll probably end up using one of the less legitimate workarounds. But in the end, it doesn't change the fact that in my situation, Apple's model is now broken whereas it worked perfectly before.
It takes 2 to argue. I was simply pointing out that fact once. People who don't like me repeating myself don't have to reply to me in the first place when they know full well that what I say is a fact.
would u mind quoting the right guy at least. i never said anything about ur gf or ur relationship for that matter.
i am sure if you sign in from any of your computers you can get the download. I am also sure, they keep a log of your IP address, so if your downloading 10 different times and one is in Orlando and one is in Houston and one is in... well you get the idea. They cut you off.
Exactly.
I actually have a SL Family Pack and a Single License DVD sitting on my shelf next to each other right now (honestly not really sure how I ended up with both). The only difference between the two products is the Family Pack box has a sticker on the outside that says "Family Pack for up to 5 computers in one household." Are you saying it would be illegal for me to use the otherwise identical Single License disk to install SL on up to 6 computers in my house? If I took the 2 discs out of their boxes and shuffled them up, I'd forever lose track of which was which as they are indistinguishable. But I still own 6 licenses between the 2 disks and can use either to install on up to 6 computers (though I only have 5). So if I buy a laptop on eBay that has only Tiger installed, I can install SL without buying a new copy from either disk, no?
The installer you download for one machine is identical bit for bit with the installer you'd download for the other. Purchase two licenses and use the same installer. Several people have pointed out this reasonable and legal solution for your conundrum. Your refusal to step off the high horse is curious and amusing.
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According to the law, yes it would. Again, Apple holds the copyright and only them can grant you permission on how you will perform distribution/copying of their work.
Would Apple litigate ? No.
The morality question is based on the individual (I personally as a Software developer find that adhering to licenses are important as far as respecting the work of others go). But the legality is simple here : Follow the terms or you are running afoul of copyright law.
I'm not looking to pile on, but where does Apple specify where you obtain the installer? The fact that you are authorized by Apple to install the software on a computer implies that you are allowed to copy the installer to that computer. Honest question. I don't know if Apple requires the installer to be downloaded for each installation in their license agreement.
nope. you have to buy it only once. she has to buy it only once. youre two different people using different products, just like w/ cars & gas. do you complain about that, two people living together *both* have to pay gas for their different vehicles? nope. thats the point.
and didnt you originally say "I have to buy it twice" ?
As a software developer, would you have any reason to insist that an end-user who bought two licenses use two separately downloaded installers, one for each machine on which they intend to use the software? End-user agreements (not laws) are designed to maintain the license:computer ratio as determined by the developer, not necessarily where the "installer" came from, unless that is explicitly stated, and other methods are specifically excluded.
Apple provides an idiot-proof way of installing Mac App Store software on all authorized machines (download separately for each machine). However their end-user license agreement does not explicitly state that this is the only approved and/or "legal" way of installing. If your GF has bought a license with her Mac App Store account on her computer, there is nothing in the EULA that explicitly prohibits you from installing it from a previously obtained download, nor is there any law being broken. Morality you have to decide for yourself, as you say, but if you're going to be so moral as to call that piracy, I don't know why you bothered posting here in the first place if you're neither seeking nor accepting criticism, sympathy, or solutions.
Forget the GF for a moment....if your own individual computer had an app that had become corrupted and needed a reinstall, would you need to re-download the dmg, or could you use a copy of the original dmg you downloaded that you had stored on a backup hard drive? It's not the same file you downloaded, it's a copy. Is that illegal? Immoral? What if the GF had paid for the same software package herself and needed it to be reinstalled? Is it illegal or immoral for her to use your archived dmg?
You buy the license to use the software, not the "disc" or the "bits." Short of distributing it in a torrent or installing on even one more personal computer than the EULA specifies, there's nothing illegal, immoral, or hinky about any of the above scenarios.
No, he complained that he used to be able to get a family pack, and now he has to pay more for two different licenses. Completely reasonable complaint.
OMG, what happened to this thread? From under what rock did the copyright god crawl. Download Lion once, copy and install it to all of your computers and be done with it. Personally I don't care whether I'm supposed to download it individually on each of my machines or not. Nor do I care whether I'm supposed to burn it to a disk or use it as a clean install. Most of us are going to do what we're going to do. We'll be happy and Apple will make a lot of money.
He just wants to complain that Apple isn't giving him what he wants. There are viable options he just doesn't want to use them, he just wants it his way..
Also I said digital installer for Linux i.e. download it and double click to install. That is what will happen with lion. Software has been available as .iso on BBS's before the internet, but you still had to put them on disks to use. You and I are both in our mid 30's so we're getting pretty far back in our networked computer using life.
Nope, I don't want to complain. I wanted to simply point out that Apple's "one method" isn't ideal for everyone. It's all the people replying to me about other "viable" (ie, piracy) options.
Why is it so hard to grasp that I'd rather not resort to piracy ? Again, you are the ones making a big deal out of this and keeping the discussion going. My point was simple : In my situation, I have to buy it twice and pay for it twice to respect Apple's decision as far as their copyrights go.
This is not my decision, but Apple's. It is their right to copy, and it is their right to decide how that will be done. They grant you a license to download and use an installer you have paid for, not someone else's, unless they specifically allow that (something none of you guys have come up with at this time).
So again, guys, it's simple : In my situation, it's 2 purchases, 2 downloads. Why do you guys keep fretting so much ? It's not keeping me up at night, it shouldn't keep you guys up either.
Why don't I just come hit you in the face with a baseball bat. Pretty sure no one else here will care. No big deal. I don't really care if I am supposed to hit you or not, so I will just do what I want and be done with it.
Unless you use one of those for work and one for personal.