Apple Retail Stores Receive Golden Master Copies of OS X Lion

[Davidkoh]

At the price we're already paying, there's nothing good about that. Again, don't discuss it if you don't live here. We have crap for Internet/Cellular service.

So you would prefer low caps and no option to buy more compared to having high caps and the option to buy more? Seems a bit strange to want worse service, but to each their own. And the "don't discuss it if you don't live here" is about as retarded as the drug addicts saying "don't say it's bad until you try it".

I cannot understand your hate with the digital download either. It's not the fact that it is digital that makes you have to buy 2 copies, it is Apples change of policy. They could just as easily done the same with DVDs, that you are only allowed to install it on a computer authorized from your own iTunes ID. And really, we're talking what? 30 bucks? Is that really worth throwing a fit over?

Really cheap option? Could you please provided me with the links? With my current ISP the most expensive plan is 75$ ~ 50Euros. And that aswell has a 75GB Cap.

It is a fact that Europe has a much better infrastructure in compared to Canada. And we all know the Prices here are so much more compared to the UK, Cant even argue that

I was asking him about the cheap option.

I agree that Europe has a better infrastructure when it comes to internet. Atleast for Sweden that is because of high taxes and government funded expansions. So even though your price for your connection might be higher we pay more taxes on our income.

 

[aeaglex07]

http://www.cultofmac.com/dedicated-...n-some-apple-stores-report/105113#more-105113

"we’ve heard rumblings that some stores will be receiving maxed out Mac Pro towers to be used as Lion distribution caching centers. Some believe that these stations would allow customers to purchase Lion (3.5GB) from the Mac App store and download it directly from the store server in minutes. This would be a huge help to customers who do not have access to a broadband Internet connection or users who want to walk through the install process with an Apple employee during a personal training session."

 

[KnightWRX]

So you would prefer low caps and no option to buy more compared to having high caps and the option to buy more? Seems a bit strange to want worse service, but to each their own. And the "don't discuss it if you don't live here" is about as retarded as the drug addicts saying "don't say it's bad until you try it".

Where did I say I wanted worse service ? We have crap service to begin with, I want better. IE : Cheaper, higher caps, higher bandwidth. What we pay here for 30 mbps with 150 GB monthly cap is ridiculous when you look at other countries. For a first world nation with great infrastructure, the oligopoly of telecoms here sure likes to keep the leash tight and expensive and the CRTC is too daft to do something about it.

When I say don't discuss it, it's simple : You don't understand Canadian telecoms politics nor do you seem to have the slightest clue how it operates and works here.

I cannot understand your hate with the digital download either.

Who said I hate digital downloads ? All my OS installs have been done over the Internet since the 90s (either directly over HTTP/FTP or by downloading an ISO of the OS), ever since I switched to Linux as my operating system. Apple is late to the game as far as OS installs over the Internet goes. Welcome to 1995 is what I say.

Heck, I have a well furnished Steam account for games.

It's the MAS and it's licensing scheme that I dislike. If Apple offered a Family Pack license purchase outside the MAS and a download for an ISO file, that would be the best option.

It's not the fact that it is digital that makes you have to buy 2 copies, it is Apples change of policy. They could just as easily done the same with DVDs, that you are only allowed to install it on a computer authorized from your own iTunes ID. And really, we're talking what? 30 bucks? Is that really worth throwing a fuzz over?

I'm not throwing any fuzz. I was answering a post. It's the people who keep replying to me offering options of piracy that are throwing a fuzz. Like you just did.

Again guys it's very simple : The facts are the facts. Live with them. No need to reply to me to tell me how many options I have. The legitimate option is plainly : 2 copies, 2 downloads. End of story. Drop it and I will drop it. Keep replying, and I'll need to keep correcting you with the facts.

 

[blybug]

It doesn't matter what you think. It's Apple who owns the copyright. Provide a link to official support document that describes how 2 computers not sharing an iTunes account can share the same installer and then you'll have a point.

Until then, it is piracy, no matter how much your moral compass says it isn't for you.

If your moral compass is so straight then you should not have any problem whatsoever seeing that you simply need to buy two copies under Apple's current terms. The current system is not "broken," it has just changed from a complete free-for-all with every dorm-room buddy installing from one disc into a reasonably regulated system where one person with one account can install software on 5 computers.

Your righteous moral stance should be greatly satisfied now that there will be fewer truly pirated copies in the world at large, even if it means that you and your GF will have to shell out separately for your separate accounts. If you each pay the $$$ I simply cannot fathom that your moral compass would not allow you use the same installer, or that the software police or anyone else would consider this "piracy."

The needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few, or the one.

 

[sclawis300]

Or you could just buy it and not download it..and install via your disc..

is Southern Germany on a different planet?

 

[KnightWRX]

The needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few, or the one.

Yes Spock. Except that quote works only when 1 choice prohibits the 2nd choice. You know, when you're facing an either or scenario, like the Enterprise was facing at that very moment.

Nothing prevented Apple from having both the MAS and the old DVD distribution model. Hence your quoting Spock only makes you look like you completely missed the point of that quote to begin with. Don't worry, I won't tell your trekkie friends. You can go rewatch the movie and understand it more clearly now that I have explained it to you (not that I would wish anyone have to rewatch that crap... god is Star Trek boring...)

 

[Swift]

I really like QuickTime X

Hmm. Here's where I feel like the pro editors and complain about the missing features. I use the ability to make captions and subtitles in Quicktime Pro 7, for instance. Not there in X. I hope they implement this. I know, this is a minority desire, but it's the greatest and coolest thing ever: Quicktime Text.

 

[aristobrat]

He only has to login to the MAS on her machine long enough to add it to his authorized machines and then log out for it to be legit, but apparently he doesn't want to do that either.

I know. He seems to think that authorizing the computer somehow gives her access to his iTunes Store account to make purchases on his credit card, which it absolutely doesn't.

If he doesn't want to do it, he doesn't want to do it.

IMO, this is not an issue that is going to be a show-stopper for the normal family.

 

[benjs]

I just realized... For Leopard users, must they pay for the update to Snow Leopard, followed by the update for Lion? That seems a bit absurd to me, and I wonder if Apple has thought of an alternative option for those customers. I know my parents are negligent with their software updates, and likely are still on 10.5.

 

[blybug]

Yes Spock. Except that quote works only when 1 choice prohibits the 2nd choice. You know, when you're facing an either or scenario, like the Enterprise was facing at that very moment.

Nothing prevented Apple from having both the MAS and the old DVD distribution model. Hence your quoting Spock only makes you look like you completely missed the point of that quote to begin with. Don't worry, I won't tell your trekkie friends. You can go rewatch the movie and understand it more clearly now that I have explained it to you (not that I would wish anyone have to rewatch that crap... god is Star Trek boring...)

Well although you are correct that the context is not identical, the point was that for the majority of people who have one iTunes account and one or multiple computers, the current system is indistinguishable from the old, but the new system also benefits Apple and its shareholders who do need to make money off a major OS release. Continuing to have the licensing unrestricted except by the "honor system" would not be to the benefit of the majority of players.

Yours is "one" of very "few" circumstances that has been squeezed by the tightening of the definition of "family" or "household." As one who has purchased multiple Apple Family pack releases, I'm sure I'm not alone in having always wondered, "How long will this semi-free ride go on?" Even the guys in the Apple Store would do a double take and sort of chuckle and ask me if I was "sure" I needed the Family Pack. This transition in terms will not be noticeable at all for the vast majority of single users and/or legitimate users of the prior Family Pack agreement. Unfortunately simply living under the same roof no longer qualifies. So yes, you are Spock, dying a noble death from the radiation exposure in the chamber as your Mac friends look on from the outside, grateful that they all still have essentially the same (or better) deal as before...

Apple could have kept the DVD distribution model going, but you yourself just stated in a prior post "welcome to 1995." Apple famously cuts ties with old models and moves forward, there are always a few (or more) people in unique circumstances that are left behind (floppy disks, OS 9 Classic, display connectors, display connectors, display connectors).

Are there any other software companies that base the usage of their product on a "household" rather than on a per-user or per-computer basis? Maybe so, I don't know. Certainly outside of virtual products there's hardly a model for this in real-world services where two individuals with two separate services/devices can pay as one without sharing. Folks may split their electric bill, water will, cable TV, Netflix, or internet service with a roommate, but when it comes to cell phones, cars, and computers, if they each insist on having their own, they're going to have to pay "double" or be inconvenienced in some way.

 

[aristobrat]

Don't know if this was posted previously, but FWIW:

Apple Retail has 3 Lion install images and a possible dedicated Lion Caching Server

 

[KnightWRX]

I know. He seems to think that authorizing the computer somehow gives her access to his iTunes Store account to make purchases on his credit card, which it absolutely doesn't.

It will for the time I am signed in to do the authorizing. This is not something I am willing to do either way. Her computer should not take a slot of my authorized computers (not that I even use the MAS to begin with).

Again guys, drop it. I've said my piece, it is how it is.

Apple could have kept the DVD distribution model going, but you yourself just stated in a prior post "welcome to 1995." Apple famously cuts ties with old models and moves forward

How is Apple moving forward here ? OS distributions over the net have been with us for more than 15 years already. They're simply swapping an old method with another old method. If anything, they are moving backwards by removing options.

 

[Davidkoh]

Where did I say I wanted worse service ? We have crap service to begin with, I want better. IE : Cheaper, higher caps, higher bandwidth. What we pay here for 30 mbps with 150 GB monthly cap is ridiculous when you look at other countries. For a first world nation with great infrastructure, the oligopoly of telecoms here sure likes to keep the leash tight and expensive and the CRTC is too daft to do something about it.

When I say don't discuss it, it's simple : You don't understand Canadian telecoms politics nor do you seem to have the slightest clue how it operates and works here.

I said and I quote:
"Atleast the caps were pretty high and there were options to buy more."

This was something you said there were nothing good with. The opposite to that statement is low caps with no options to buy more. I was only communicating that it could be worse, ie low caps and so on.

Who said I hate digital downloads ? All my OS installs have been done over the Internet since the 90s (either directly over HTTP/FTP or by downloading an ISO of the OS), ever since I switched to Linux as my operating system. Apple is late to the game as far as OS installs over the Internet goes. Welcome to 1995 is what I say.

Heck, I have a well furnished Steam account for games.

It's the MAS and it's licensing scheme that I dislike. If Apple offered a Family Pack license purchase outside the MAS and a download for an ISO file, that would be the best option.

I did not say you hated digital downloads, I said you seem to hate this download.

 

[KnightWRX]

I said and I quote:
"Atleast the caps were pretty high and there were options to buy more."

This was something you said there were nothing good with. The opposite to that statement is low caps with no options to buy more. I was only communicating that it could be worse, ie low caps and so on.

What you find high, I find low. The options to "buy more" is simply a way to gouge the user out of money for a service he might not use. You have to buy in advance, not knowing if you will use this "more" allowance. You can't buy it after the fact. At least not with my ISP.

Hence it's poor service. It's not that I want worse service, it's that what you were saying was "good" to me sounds poor.

I did not say you hated digital downloads, I said you seem to hate this download.

I don't hate having to download Lion. I just don't like how the MAS works.

 

[blybug]

It will for the time I am signed in to do the authorizing. This is not something I am willing to do either way. Her computer should not take a slot of my authorized computers (not that I even use the MAS to begin with).

I wonder how this would actually work, if done this way. One user logs in to the MAS just long enough to DL and install Lion, then removes that computer from the authorized list. Would the computer then fail to boot? Would it ask for the user/pass of the purchasing account each time the OS starts up?

It's pretty seamless with iOS apps, they all "just work" on the iDevices once installed regardless of which account purchased them. Updating gets a little messy though as you do have to log in to the correct account to get the latest version. I haven't seen how Mac App Store apps behave because my computer is the only one in the house so far updated to use it.

 

[Davidkoh]

What you find high, I find low. The options to "buy more" is simply a way to gouge the user out of money for a service he might not use. You have to buy in advance, not knowing if you will use this "more" allowance. You can't buy it after the fact. At least not with my ISP.

Hence it's poor service. It's not that I want worse service, it's that what you were saying was "good" to me sounds poor.

I agree it is a bad service, I just believe in finding something positive in everything.

I don't hate having to download Lion. I just don't like how the MAS works.

Okay, everyone is different here. I want more and more to be released as download only, because that pushes other companies to do the same. I hate that everything is not released with a digital download option.

 

[aristobrat]

It will for the time I am signed in to do the authorizing.

That is not correct.

In order for her to make purchases under your account, you would need to "Sign In" specifically in the iTunes Store.

No part of "Authorize This Computer..." involves you going into the iTunes Store part of iTunes.app, much less signing in there. And even if it did (which it doesn't), you'd be at the console during the 2-3 seconds it takes to authorize, so she wouldn't have physical access to the device in order to make any purchases.

Are you confused because the credential box looks the same for both tasks?

 

[Jony Mac]

My question is after the upgrade is complete does the installer remove itself, or do you have to go back and delete the 4GB download?

 

[morespce54]

...Why would it be coming on Wednesday? If it's shipping with new MBAs that would imply a Tuesday launch, like every other product launch.

I might be wrong but it feels like ages since Apple drop the "Tuesday launch date"...

 

[pdjudd]

My question is after the upgrade is complete does the installer remove itself, or do you have to go back and delete the 4GB download?

This has been addressed many times before, it will delete itself.

 

[morespce54]

My question is after the upgrade is complete does the installer remove itself, or do you have to go back and delete the 4GB download?

I guess it will, just like the other Apps bought from the MAS. Otherwise, the whole "buy-through-the-MAS-only" scheme would be pointless.

 

[KnightWRX]

That is not correct.

Yes it is. I will not sign in to her computer. It is not mine, I will not touch it. For the time between the sign in, authorize, download, the computer will be able to use my account unless I start messing with it.

It's bad enough I have to sign in the MAS on mine alone, something I never planned on doing in the first place, I will not start having to learn about different settings.

Again, drop it, it is how it is in my situation. Keep arguing about it if you want, it doesn't make me wrong. Again, I will either live with it or tone down my moral compass and cheat Apple. I alone will make this decision, but that won't change that for my situation, they have now broken a perfectly working solution that was the family pack.

 

[baryon]

This has been addressed many times before, it will delete itself.

Better make a backup copy of it then, unless you already made a bootable disk/USB from it.

 

[star-affinity]

Why is Expose being fixed when it was never broken (expanded view of all windows, NOT groups)? ETC. ETC. ETC.

For me with the amount of windows I have open at the same time an expanded view of all windows is a joke. I never use it, because it is quicker to just switch to the app I want with the app switcher (cmd tab) and then switch to the window I want it it doesn't get frontmost.

With the solution they have in Lion (Mission Control) I can imagine I will start using it, but we'll see.

 

[MacNewsFix]

My question is after the upgrade is complete does the installer remove itself, or do you have to go back and delete the 4GB download?

As baryon says above, make a copy of the Lion's installation immediately after you purchase it from the Mac App Store and it has finished downloading but before you install it. After you install it, the installer file will likely be gone.

Here are the steps in case you missed it: http://www.eggfreckles.net/tech/burning-a-lion-boot-disc/

Good luck!