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Meshroom is an app that lets you construct 3d objects from photographs. It requires CUDA.
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Apple Reveals All-New Mac Pro With Up to 28-Core Processor and 1.5TB of RAM, Starting at $5,999
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Here, I'll help you with a concrete example.
Meshroom is an app that lets you construct 3d objects from photographs. It requires CUDA.
Cheese grater > trashcan.
*Awesome expandability
*Power
*Much much better thermal performance with those holes
People are going to complain anyway not going to bother reading through.
Not for me, even if I could afford it that power is wasted.
The Apple ecosystem will benefit anyway.
*Awesome expandability
*Power
*Much much better thermal performance with those holes
People are going to complain anyway not going to bother reading through.
Not for me, even if I could afford it that power is wasted.
The Apple ecosystem will benefit anyway.
I am updating my MP 2011. Will max out the specs (RAM/GPU/Storage) and hold for another couple of years. I would buy this new machine and display if they were on the $6k/7k combo with at least 1TB and 64GB RAM. The entry display could be at 5K. iMac is not a option.
Too bad. Right now I can't justify paying close to $13k to jump on this ship.
The $6k starting price means they will not sell many of these.
Econ 101 - Supply and Demand curves.
The used prices in 1-2 years will be crazy as well.
A self built PC may be a more efficient use of my money.
Econ 101 - Supply and Demand curves.
The used prices in 1-2 years will be crazy as well.
A self built PC may be a more efficient use of my money.
Anybody complaining about the price or talking about a "mac for the one percent" is ignorant of historical mac pricing. If you were to buy a new Mac SE today from 1989 in 2019 dollars, you'd be spending just south of 9 grand. My 2012 12-core - which has been working every day, all day, since 2012, cost a lot at the time and has paid for itself many, many times over. When I finally retire it, someone else will use it. Even if I end up having to replace the power supply, it'll go on for years. The original Mac Plus in 1984 was something like 2500 dollars. That's in 1984 dollars. Just go complain on another forum. Nobody is interested in what you have to say. Many of us have been waiting for this machine for a long time. Apple delivered, painful as it is for you all to hear.;Technically Apple KILLED IT!!! But in doing so, with an entry price of $6K....they also reduced demand to hardcore Pros only. I was willing to spend $2500 on the entry level Mac Pro back in 2013, but the new one prices me out. Time to look again at a tricked-out Mac Mini I guess. Waiting til next year to see if price comes down or they offer a "cheaper" 14 core version.
A cheese grater? A CHEESE grater? Non non non, mon ami... it’s an Apple iGrater... you can’t use it with just ANY cheese. Only fancy, expensive cheeses are worthy of being grated by this new ugly monstrosity. For example, the new iGrater is compatible with cheeses like Gruyère, or Parmigiano-Reggiano, or maybe a smoked gouda... (only an authentic one, though... not some sawdust and titanium or silicon dioxide-filled nightmare “cheese”-like substance you buy pre-grated in a cylindrical plastic jar). You wouldn’t use it on a block of cheddar, or jack, or... or some other... ugh... common cheese.
LOL another ugly stupid design failure from whatever dumbass is in charge of making the chassis. No matter how awesome the innards, you’re not going to see big sales numbers if it isn’t either a really great value for the money in terms of performance and/or specs / unit money required, unless it is also sexy. Or at least cute. The original eMac or iMac, the one that came in like 5 nifty colors at least could be called cute. The Power Mac Cubes were sexy. The first Mac Pros after that godawful plastic chassis, the ones in the aluminum boxes... those at least looked nice.
The trashcan mac was a mistake that should have gotten someone fired. This thing, cheese grater or whatever, should get someone not only fired, but that person should never be able to work in tech, let alone at Apple again. Fire him, revoke his nerd and/or geek cards, and put him on the first thing smoking to Kansas City, or Denver, or Toronto, some place where he can get a job that better suits his lack of talent, like a grocery bagger... quick, before they go extinct.
Here’s what Apple should REALLY DO. Make the thing with a minimal to nonexistent case. Just the guts. Let OTHER people make the damned cases for them. Since they’ve obviously forgotten how to MAKE a case anymore. Just like how they let other people make cases for iPads and iPhones and iPabs and iFaps, and iWatches and iPencils and iThises and iThoses, etc. And bands for the iWatches, etc.
Let other companies that know how to make a good-looking case MAKE the cases. The next Apple Mac or Mac Pro, or Mac Amateur should come out looking like a Borg Cube. Then you slip it into whatever case you want.
Think of all the extra money Apple COULD have made if someone there had thought of this. Now those poor, poor impoverished bastards will just have to make-do with only MOST of the money in the world.
How does that change anything? There were plenty of workstation class CPUs for years. Heck, Apple was using them in various iMac Pros and even the trashcan. I really don't understand the huge wait on these machines. I was expecting something more outside the box. (I'm not sad that it's not. I just cannot see what part of this particular machine took so long to engineer.)
Thought if nobody complained about the trashcan they wouldn't have given a single **** about redesigning the Mac Pro to make it useful again. Complaining is fine as long as it's well-founded. Plus complaining about complainers is a bit... ironic
Yep, form over function has finally taken a backseat. Now I understand those that would not be caught dead using a real computer, when beautiful, toy, thin, under performing, non-upgradable computers are all the rage as a fashion statement. But finally. we have one computer from Apple for the rest of us. No we don't any more than this one. That is what happens when Apple makes the best performing computer in its class. Let's hope that reality is as good and the Keynote. With Apple one never knows.
Since it's using junk Intel chips it will come with Malware Preloaded (tm). Seriously though given Apple's focus on security and the Intel chips having more holes than Swiss Cheese you'd think they would have went with AMD all around for a better user experience as when you load the Intel remediation patches you lose a chunk of performance.
The mini is fairly decent in both power and value outside of graphics performance. Especially if you do a BTO i7 and reduce the RAM and SSD space (ie: get your own instead of paying the apple tax).
That said, for $6k, I would have expected more then an 8 core machine with a 256GB SSD and Radeon 580 baseline.
Looks like it uses proprietary SSDs.
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Yes, they did.
After I read your post, I double-checked my bank account...and nothing has changed. I love my 2013 Mac Pro and will simply bide my time....until I win the lottery. As it stands...unaffordable.
And a highly successful professional will not waste their valuable time doing a self built - that would not be an "efficient" use of their time - and for them time = money.
Six thousand dollars....WOW.....what are they smoking?
This and the new Pro Display XDR will be somewhere over 10k.
Gotta love how they headline it as "up to 28 cores" but then immediately say it starts at 6k.
Why not keep it all in context and mention the price of the 28 core machine and how many cores on the 6k machine?
This and the new Pro Display XDR will be somewhere over 10k.
Gotta love how they headline it as "up to 28 cores" but then immediately say it starts at 6k.
Why not keep it all in context and mention the price of the 28 core machine and how many cores on the 6k machine?
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So much for modularity and power. Where's the innovation?
Would have been be great:
Tons more ideas that I have that would make this a really long post.
Modular Bays:
Just some ideas. There are plenty of bays that would have been great.
Dual SSD bay
LTO 8 Bay
I/O Card reader bay
Modular ports:
Apple would need to create USB-A, USB-C, mini-displayport, thunderbolt, ethernet etc... modules
Would have been be great:
- 4 socket CPU design. Instead we get one CPU. You could easily build a workstation with 100 cores today.
- 4-8TB RAM
- 12 PCIE slots
- Dual modular bays for drives (SSD dual drive bay, LTO tape bay, dual superdrive bay, IO expansion drive bay etc...). The bays would have a universal connector in the back along with thunderbolt 3(to take on the road)
- Front and rear Modular I/O ports that you can swap out like SFP modules. They would be internally routable so you can set any port to Input/Output/Pass-through/Split route. All signals coming in via a port would be converted to IP to route to other ports or internally to the Mac Pro. This would require a built in router in the Mac Pro separate from the OS. For example you could plug in a camera in from of the Mac Pro and route the signal out of the back to a display or another Mac Pro without it ever being routed internally without processing. Great for broadcast fly packs, video walls (daisy chain signal), etc...
- Dual power supplies. A must if you are going to rack mount
- ILO or Network wake
- Matte Black Mac Pro case (whats with the stainless steel bling look, not to mention the wheels )
- The displays could also have included all the sensors in the iPhone/iPad plus touch bar, touch id etc... for a slew of innovation. For example wake from sleep when you sit in front of the display etc..
- Display backlighting for color correction you need a white light bouncing off the wall. See MediaLight
- Broadcast quality scopes in the display would have been great
Tons more ideas that I have that would make this a really long post.
Modular Bays:
Just some ideas. There are plenty of bays that would have been great.
Dual SSD bay
LTO 8 Bay
I/O Card reader bay
Modular ports:
Apple would need to create USB-A, USB-C, mini-displayport, thunderbolt, ethernet etc... modules
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So people having owned PowerMac G5 and Mac Pro since the start are whiner when they think like me 6000$ base price is ridiculous insane? A comparable HP z4 is around 2000$...
You can't seriously be comparing this to the mac se. The SE was special edition and actually revolutionary, this is not. You should be comparing this pricing to the classic mac pro if you're trying to make an apples to apples comparison.
Looking at the technical specs, the SSDs are packaged in what is no doubt a proprietary, yet separate and not soldered module.
Apparently the T2 chip CAN operate on a separate SSD. That more than anything annoys me.
I have no need for this machine. However the fact that somehow the data on this machine is more worthwhile than every other Mac offered is frustrating.
I too wish there were a Mac, something between the Mac mini and this. A small form factor with a few PCIe slots and memory and storage which can be upgraded.
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Apparently the T2 chip CAN operate on a separate SSD. That more than anything annoys me.
I have no need for this machine. However the fact that somehow the data on this machine is more worthwhile than every other Mac offered is frustrating.
I too wish there were a Mac, something between the Mac mini and this. A small form factor with a few PCIe slots and memory and storage which can be upgraded.
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I have yet to have Windows 10 blue screen.If you don't like it, buy a junking PC or if you want to save some money with a iMac Pro. But when fall comes and I am super cruising with my new Mac Pro, that I purchased and got a discount with my new Apple card. Along with 5 years from now still using the same computer or 10 years from now when i retire this machine and get my new 2029 computer. I will have great memories, oh shoot my Window 10 blue screened again