I did a game PC build with my son in 16 hours. It cost about $1.5K in parts.
Now for the labor $4.5k/16hrs = $282/hr for the low end.
I am not making that much per hour. Are you?
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Apple Reveals All-New Mac Pro With Up to 28-Core Processor and 1.5TB of RAM, Starting at $5,999
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Now for the labor $4.5k/16hrs = $282/hr for the low end.
I am not making that much per hour. Are you?
Apple creates exactly what Mac fans have been asking for for years and, surprise surprise, more complaining. I definitely didn't see that coming
In years past, the expandable 2012 Mac Pros started at $2,500. Not $6,000. That allowed many users to buy in, and upgrade as needed. Some of use didn't need a 12 core CPU. And we still don't.
The new graphics card modules are proprietary, so there's little to no chance of buying a video card off the rack, and plugging it in. It looks like we're still stuck with BTO options that'll be priced wildly high. On top of that, the base video card is a $180 Radeon Pro 580 instead of a Vega 56.
I'm glad they built the new Mac Pro, and I really wanted one. I half expected the base model to start at $4,000 (an iMac Pro without a display). But they chinced on the video card and the boot drive compared to the iMac Pro. Then they bumped the price by $1,000 compared to the iMac Pro, and more than doubled the price compared to the 2012 Base Mac Pro.
AH! And then charging an additional $1,000 price for the display stand. Which is laughable, and drew gasps and chortles from the audience. LOL
So yeah. There's validation for the complaints for those who were waiting for a 2012 replacment.
It looks like an amazing machine!
Though I wonder what are they smoking at Apple?
For those that say that this is a Pro machine, the Pro machine used to be $2,500.00
This is almost 2.5 times the price. Although a different machine, the price starting at 6K is ridiculously high, for the starting point.
And if you are paying 6k for a computer, it is a joke they are shipping that with a 256gb SSD.
And 1,000 for a monitor stand?
Tim Cook greed is beyond belief.
Though I wonder what are they smoking at Apple?
For those that say that this is a Pro machine, the Pro machine used to be $2,500.00
This is almost 2.5 times the price. Although a different machine, the price starting at 6K is ridiculously high, for the starting point.
And if you are paying 6k for a computer, it is a joke they are shipping that with a 256gb SSD.
And 1,000 for a monitor stand?
Tim Cook greed is beyond belief.
It's expensive. I'm confused because this is a Mac Pro, yet the MacBook Pros don't use workstation grade hardware. Why can't they release something for $1000-2000 for regular folks that allows hardware upgrades?
I don't know why they aren't willing to do a computer that isn't exorbitantly expensive or just plain underpowered. I feel like they could gain so much market share if they had a regular tower that was reasonably priced. They can make amazing chassis for less, other companies do it all the time.
I know Apple is known for "We don't make garbage" but the truth is they could easily make a great desktop for less that isn't garbage. Nothing wrong with this Mac Pro, except I sure as hell can't afford it and it's overpowered. I just want a normal desktop that can be upgraded to an extent. We always have to settle for integrated graphics, no upgrades and throttling.
I don't know why they aren't willing to do a computer that isn't exorbitantly expensive or just plain underpowered. I feel like they could gain so much market share if they had a regular tower that was reasonably priced. They can make amazing chassis for less, other companies do it all the time.
I know Apple is known for "We don't make garbage" but the truth is they could easily make a great desktop for less that isn't garbage. Nothing wrong with this Mac Pro, except I sure as hell can't afford it and it's overpowered. I just want a normal desktop that can be upgraded to an extent. We always have to settle for integrated graphics, no upgrades and throttling.
Expect these youtube videos soon:
"We built the new Mac Pro for half the price !"
"Is Apple RIPPING YOU OFF ???"
"Does the new Mac Pro thermal throttle ?"
"iFixit teardown of the $999 stand"
"I bought a maxed out Mac pro !" (rich youtuber)
"The Mac Pro is the perfect companion to RED cameras"
"We built the new Mac Pro for half the price !"
"Is Apple RIPPING YOU OFF ???"
"Does the new Mac Pro thermal throttle ?"
"iFixit teardown of the $999 stand"
"I bought a maxed out Mac pro !" (rich youtuber)
"The Mac Pro is the perfect companion to RED cameras"
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Doubt it.
The Mac Pro appears aimed at professional users for whom the iMac Pro still isn’t powerful enough.
In this context, a low-to-mid end Mac Pro doesn’t make sense.
If you can’t afford it it’s not for you or you don’t understand the potential power
Yup. I am that guy. Look so many people here with opinions on the price or design. But it does not really matter.
I use the analogy of a gardener or Carpenter. They have a truck and tools that cos WAAAY more then even a spec’ed out one of these.. I am guessing you could spec this to 20K - A truck and tools could run to 40 easy... and do you bang on at someone that spends 1K on a drill or 2k on nail gun... cos they do.
It’s a tool. It’s tax deductible and had the potential to be awesome...
I have but one gripe*... why is it not space grey?
Well two - only 2 M2 - ssd slots. Sure. I am sure you could add loads more with TB3 / the 7 PCIE slots and I do understand losing SATA support it’s slow ... but surely a could more M2 slots could have happened?
Yup. I am that guy. Look so many people here with opinions on the price or design. But it does not really matter.
I use the analogy of a gardener or Carpenter. They have a truck and tools that cos WAAAY more then even a spec’ed out one of these.. I am guessing you could spec this to 20K - A truck and tools could run to 40 easy... and do you bang on at someone that spends 1K on a drill or 2k on nail gun... cos they do.
It’s a tool. It’s tax deductible and had the potential to be awesome...
I have but one gripe*... why is it not space grey?
Well two - only 2 M2 - ssd slots. Sure. I am sure you could add loads more with TB3 / the 7 PCIE slots and I do understand losing SATA support it’s slow ... but surely a could more M2 slots could have happened?
Remember when a pro Mac desktop tower was affordable to so many more people?? G3 or G4 tower with fold down side door anyone? Ah those were the days.
So if I would finally upgrade to a new MP from my 12 core with 128GB Ram, 8TB SSD and 48GB HD storage to something with at least 12 or 18 cores, 64GB RAM and at least 4TB SSD it wil probably cost me around $16K.
So were the classic Mac Pro’s and they weren’t $6k.
It’s a ridiculous price point for a product that started life costing $2499.
It’s not reasonable to expect the user who wants a tower based Mac to be happy that the price has more than doubled since 2012.
It’s obscene.
Considering they ship with 8 cores and 256GB SSD for $6,000 that's not PRO, IT IS A COMPLETE Rip off.
If we are paying 6k for a machine it should come with some base decent spec.
Apple is so disconnected to reality about pricing that is pathetic.
It seems that they rather sell a 1000 units rather than 50,000 at a cheaper price.
That 12 core, 2012 Mac Pro was what, $3800 when it went on sale? In 2019 money, according to some inflation calculators, that's under $4300 in 2019 U.S. money. I think Apple got boned by Intel's inability to compete with AMD and we are stuck with old Xeons. Workhorses, but expensive workhorses that don't acknowledge AMD's products.
This Mac pro is stupid expensive at the low end, and the base GPU in that model is a bad value. I imagine at the high end it's very competitive if you edit super high def video. Now that Ryzen 3 exists, and soon a new version of thread ripper, it will fill that mid range nicely and I feel that many Mac users will make the switch to save money while more than doubling the GPU performance vs spending over $5000 for the anemic performance of the base nMP.
The best news to me is that Redshift announced support for the Mac. Cool beans. I may be able to ride out my iMac a while longer.
I would have killed for Nvidia support, though. Just drivers and eGPU support, and I would go on my merry way, oblivious to super high end workflows.
If you spend $1000 on an Apple monitor stand, though, you will be cursed by lovecraftian old gods.
This Mac pro is stupid expensive at the low end, and the base GPU in that model is a bad value. I imagine at the high end it's very competitive if you edit super high def video. Now that Ryzen 3 exists, and soon a new version of thread ripper, it will fill that mid range nicely and I feel that many Mac users will make the switch to save money while more than doubling the GPU performance vs spending over $5000 for the anemic performance of the base nMP.
The best news to me is that Redshift announced support for the Mac. Cool beans. I may be able to ride out my iMac a while longer.
I would have killed for Nvidia support, though. Just drivers and eGPU support, and I would go on my merry way, oblivious to super high end workflows.
If you spend $1000 on an Apple monitor stand, though, you will be cursed by lovecraftian old gods.
Especially if you consider that tech prices actually go down in price with time, not up.
Oddly enough, Apple is no longer known for this. There are plenty of Apple users who believe Apple is making nothing but flawed garbage that constantly needs to be taken in for service and repairs. In fact, they're getting real sick of it not having a workstation for several days, on a monthly to bi-monthly basis.
Compared to Dell Precision 7920 Mac Pro looks underspecced and overpriced.
"New Mac Pro starts at $5,999 in the United States with an eight-core Intel Xeon processor, 32GB of ECC RAM, AMD WX 7100 graphics, and 256GB of SSD storage."
With Dell Precision 7920, for $6229, one gets this:
* Intel Xeon Gold 6130 2.1GHz, 3.7GHz Turbo, 16C
* Dual CPU motherboard
* NVIDIA® Quadro® P4000, 8GB, 4 DP (quad GPU configurations are supported)
* 64GB 8x8GB DDR4 2666MHz RDIMM ECC (up to 3TB RAM is supported)
* 2.5" 256GB SATA Class 20 Solid State Drive (Optane memory up to 6TB is supported, up to 10x2.5"/3.5" SATA/SAS drives or up to 4x M.2 or U.2 PCIe NVMe SSD
"New Mac Pro starts at $5,999 in the United States with an eight-core Intel Xeon processor, 32GB of ECC RAM, AMD WX 7100 graphics, and 256GB of SSD storage."
With Dell Precision 7920, for $6229, one gets this:
* Intel Xeon Gold 6130 2.1GHz, 3.7GHz Turbo, 16C
* Dual CPU motherboard
* NVIDIA® Quadro® P4000, 8GB, 4 DP (quad GPU configurations are supported)
* 64GB 8x8GB DDR4 2666MHz RDIMM ECC (up to 3TB RAM is supported)
* 2.5" 256GB SATA Class 20 Solid State Drive (Optane memory up to 6TB is supported, up to 10x2.5"/3.5" SATA/SAS drives or up to 4x M.2 or U.2 PCIe NVMe SSD
The Apple monitor doesn't have SDI input and output. The monitor you linked to has 2 BNC inputs and 4 BNC outputs for 3G-SDI workflows.
It's no doubt a beast of a machine, but... why did it take them sooooooo long to design a simple workstation? I just don't see how it could have taken so long, nor why we're still waiting. Also, the pricing will be hard to justify for professionals like myself - freelancers and small businesses. In Australia, this will cost well over $10k, just for the base model. I could build a machine that does everything I need for a third of that. Apple need to offer something between this and the Mini that isn't an AIO iMac.
The $2500 for a Mac in 1984 included a dot matrix printer, one external mini floppy drives, keyboard, and mouse. The 1984 mac included its own monitor. There was more than just the basic computing box.
