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This is an absolute mess... per app settings... buggy menus... inconsistent behaviour... wasted space at the sides. Instead of the notch, they should have given these Macs a slightly thicker bezel at top and slightly taller display, and we could have had all the benefits of the new design with none of the downsides. Everyone would have been happy.

The new HP Elite Dragonfly Max has a 1440p webcam with much better quality than these new MacBooks as well as slim bezels, face tracking etc. Surely Apple should be able to match what HP has.
 
Ok so I'd enable this on an application that is *always* running and just go about using the macbook notch-free. Those pixels at the top do their job best when blacked out, to be frank.
 
That's how the Macbook Pro screens should have looked by default, plus rounded corners, minus a slightly smaller chin. It would have led to a more uniform design language across all Books and Pads and frankly, it also fits the overall design of the computer better which is quite bottom heavy which is further augmented by the too tiny bezels it now has by default.
 
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Apple notes that developers can update their app to work better with the notch, in which case the "scale to fit below built-in camera" setting no longer appears.
If Apple suggests to modify apps for them to "work better with the notch", then they admit two things: first, that existing apps may work poorly with the notch. Second, that even if you modify the app, it will work "better", which is not a synonym for "fine".

It's nice to know that Apple admits the notch is a problem by design, and that it's not a matter of people disliking or "hating" the notch.
 
If Apple suggests to modify apps for them to "work better with the notch", then they admit two things: first, that existing apps may work poorly with the notch. Second, that even if you modify the app, it will work "better", which is not a synonym for "fine".

It's nice to know that Apple admits the notch is a problem by design, and that it's not a matter of people disliking or "hating" the notch.
Yep, it's not a 'feature', it's a compromise. Haven't seen any comments about using full-screen mode with the new Macs - that would be an issue for me as I run a lot of apps that way. I wouldn't appreciate a chunk missing from the top of the screen, and no software tweak is going to fix that.
 
Well my comment yesterday about a compatibility mode I didn’t actually mean this!

Just put the menu bar under the notch and auto hide it! But ok apple you went on a full scale war on the notch? it’s not a great way to do it!
 
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On my new MBP 14", turning this option has no effect *unless* you switch the app to full screen.

Weird.
 
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So this addresses a long menu bar extrnding from the left. What currently happens with menu items extending from the right, as in the vid’s iStat Menus example? I have a lot of them.
 
This is an absolute mess... per app settings... buggy menus... inconsistent behaviour... wasted space at the sides. Instead of the notch, they should have given these Macs a slightly thicker bezel at top and slightly taller display, and we could have had all the benefits of the new design with none of the downsides. Everyone would have been happy.

The new HP Elite Dragonfly Max has a 1440p webcam with much better quality than these new MacBooks as well as slim bezels, face tracking etc. Surely Apple should be able to match what HP has.

I don’t know if you’ve ever used windows hello or not but I have and it’s terrible. It literally won’t recognise me if I have shaved or haven’t had at least two cups of coffee. Not only that you’re whining about some relatively small inconsistency issues and then showcasing a windows product which is a laughable tower of inconsistencies a mile high. And of course windows has layers and layers of API hacks and per app settings as well.

The cognitive dissonance when setting the the two platforms makes me laugh. Underneath windows is an iceberg of 30 years of legacy as well. It’s horrible. I fight it daily.

Really the app developers probably have to poke this setting in a plist somewhere and that’s it job done on the mac.

But the key thing is really a lot of apps have stupidly large amounts of menus when they probably shouldn’t have.
 
A nice easy fix for a problem that likely won't be around for long anyway. Honestly, the hate for the notch is coming from people who clearly haven't used one of these machines. I got halfway through the set up process before I even noticed it and after that, it barely registered to me and that's with light mode on. My wife (who the laptop was for) hasn't even mentioned it. Maybe because we've had iPhones with notches for years? It's such a non issue. Just like with the iPhone, you just gloss over it after a while.
 
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Of course this could have just pushed the menu bar down but it's such an obvious and preferable solution that many users would just run this permanently instead of notching it.
 
16:10 is a standard aspect ratio because it’s what Apple has used for 10+ years.

When a dev designs an app, they usually use a percentage to scale views.

If you know the resolution aspect ratio is 16:10, you set your timeline to 40% of the screen height.

When you change aspect ratios, the GUI doesn’t look proper since it wasn’t designed for that aspect ratio.

This is fine if you resize windows since you cannot possibly determine the users preferred scale size.

That’s why Apple using 16:10 in full screen mode makes sense. An app has to be in full screen mode anyway to utilize 16:10.
Your point is?

The screen would still be 16:10 if they simply moved down the menu bar. That's how it has been for years already, that's what pretty much all applications have been designed for.
 
I understand what you’re saying. Apple could have just moved the safe area below the menu bar, instead of shrinking the entire desktop, which would effectively eliminate the notch. It’s still a possibility and showcased in the full screen mode.

My initial thought when I saw the notch was that they made the menu bar taller vertically.

If it’s not clear, I don’t like the Menu bar, other than to see the time and close an app.

I hate nothing more than fiddling around in plain text in Xcode just to refactor and indent some code.

I literally have spent hours of my life in Xcode and Android Studio looking for Menu bar options.
And cluttering the screen with buttons for every conceivable option is a solution? That's how you get Microsoft's ribbon.
 
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When you have to have settings, dark modes and apps to appease the notch and yet you have floods of people on here defending it as “great design, well done Apple”.

It’s a massive design fail that interferes with UX and UI.

Not really - Design changes. Developers can adapt their apps easily enough to accommodate.

Lol, a terrible solution to a problem we didn't had before. Nice job.

The solution would have been a shorter screen. This is an elegant fix and simple enough. For 95% of apps the menu items won't interfere with / reach the dock nd for those that do we have this option.
 
And cluttering the screen with buttons for every conceivable option is a solution? That's how you get Microsoft's ribbon.

SHUDDER... Man I remember trying to find anything on that. It's horrible. and the complete lack of usable or adaptable shortcuts make for a horrible UX.
 
The solution would have been a shorter screen. This is an elegant fix and simple enough. For 95% of apps the menu items won't interfere with / reach the dock nd for those that do we have this option.
A shorter screen which would match the aspect ratio of all of Apple's notebook screens of the last 15+ years.
 
It boggles my mind that in 2021 Apple released computers which can hid critical information (i.e., menu bar items) by default. Is all this screwing around really worth it for a tiny percentage increase in the total screen area?

With all the stupid decisions made by the Mac team over the years, it is easy to see why their market share is so low. It really is sad.
Well trust me their market share is going to rise A LOT with these MBPs. The reviews are through the roof.

More related to thw article : Cool feature. But why does it create bezels on the left and right too? That was unnecessary.
 
Reminds me of the BMW 335 fiasco from a decade ago. There was a serious design flaw in the high-pressure fuel pump that led to high failure rate. BMW's proposed 'solution' was to limit the capacity, thereby decreasing the amount of horsepower and performance on your shiny, expensive sports sedan! Hahaha! A lawsuit ensued but I'm not sure what became of it. Ridiculous nonsense from Apple to an entirely self-created and totally avoidable problem.
 
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Apple always has one thing that diminishes an otherwise perfect device. In the previous generation it was the touch bar and/or the ports. Now it’s the notch. Why can’t they get this stuff right?
 
The solution would have been a shorter screen. This is an elegant fix and simple enough. For 95% of apps the menu items won't interfere with / reach the dock nd for those that do we have this option.
Or...hire some actual engineers from Dell:

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