Apple Reveals 'Vision Pro' Headset and visionOS

[GorillaPaws]

The "killer app" for me would be the ability to work without distractions and have "multiple monitors" without an elaborate hardware setup. I'd need to use it though to see if it would work as well as I'm imagining it would.

 

[lewis_cooper]

Damn. We, are, spoiled.

Regardless of whether we want one in our lives, or like how it looks, or not, to sit here and type that "it's ugly" or "disappointing" is hilarious. Look what they've gone and achieved! It's insane.

I want to try one, but don't think I'll want one… perhaps not until I've tried one. Who knows. Either way it's up to me to then strike a balance between going for hikes and going full on Ready Player One.

 

[Crow_Servo]

Planning to watch the actual presentation tonight, but it seems pretty cool. Funny that it’s even more expensive than the rumors suggested, though.

 

[jz0309]

“Starting at $3499”

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They’ve lost their marbles. Entering a product space that has already failed to gain traction AND introducing a unit more expensive than half the computers they sell. This is insane.

Did you even watch the keynote? They’re not “entering” a product space, this is something new and unique…

 

[PlayMoneyPro]

I have a question.....being the user won't be using AirPods or some other device in their ear, does the sound leak out to others around them? Like, if you were on the plane watching a movie, couldn't the passenger next to you hear it?

 

[DesignMonkey]

If I could rent one of these on my next international flight that would be cool. Best use case for it that I can see for now.

 

[0ceans]

I wonder what the business case looked like for a video-game console type of approach, where the hardware is heavily subsidized and the hit is compensated by software and subscriptions.

This looked frankly better than I expected, but I have a hard time imagining it can reach mainstream success at US$3.5k. This pricing is on par with an M2 Macbook Air + an iPhone 14 Pro + an M1 iPad Air + an Apple Watch S8 + AirPods Pro.

I don't want to be the short-sighted guy who said iPhone was going to flop because it was expensive and didn't support MMS or whatever, but this pricing really feels out of reach for the mass market.

 

[thecombatwombat]

Do you own an iPad Pro or a non-SE iPhone X or newer? Bad news if so.

It is different though. The FaceID scans, at least nominally but I think everyone, including professional security researchers, pretty much trust apple on this, only includes the fingerprint/checksum style data to recognize your face, and it never leaves the devices security enclave.

This crazy detailed scan used to create your "avatar" will require a whole other level of data, with a whole other level of potential problems. Asking if the pretty dubious utility is worth it, sounds pretty sensible to me.

 

[zach-coleman]

I have a question.....being the user won't be using AirPods or some other device in their ear, does the sound leak out to others around them? Like, if you were on the plane watching a movie, couldn't the passenger next to you hear it?

They really glossed over this, but yeah it would. The quest uses a similar system and everyone can hear it at a slightly lower volume.

 

[Even Longer]

Wonder if my wife still gets to roll her eyes in these: 🥽 🤔

 

[jz0309]

I have a question.....being the user won't be using AirPods or some other device in their ear, does the sound leak out to others around them? Like, if you were on the plane watching a movie, couldn't the passenger next to you hear it?

The person they showed being on the airplane actually had AirPods in their ears.

 

[Abazigal]

They advertised this all wrong, it was all promotional, conceptual and mock-ups, all focussed on it being slick and polished, but they focused so much on that, that they overlooked the most important thing, a key selling feature, a reason to buy it. We needed clear cut use cases for why we need one, innovative solutions and apps, stuff that makes you think wow I need that. Instead we got a half an hour presentation that told me I could use messages or safari on it, something I could do much quicker, easier, more conveniently and less obtrusive on my day to day life by using my phone/Mac/iPad.

I thought they made the use case pretty clear there - it basically makes everything you do more immersive. It’s a 4k display without me having to be tethered to my desk, and with a field of view as wide as I can see.

Sorry guys, this looks like a fun thing to try once, a thing you hope your work gets or your friend gets so you can give it a go, but it’s not a product any standard user who doesn’t have unlimited funds to waste would buy.

I wouldn’t call a few thousand dollars as needing “unlimited funds”. People spend more on a Mac or even a holiday overseas. I am not rich by any means, and I certainly have enough money in the bank to try one and still get on with life.

 

[1291030]

What problem?? That’s the central issue. What problem does this solve?

You can see your pictures! And watch videos, on a really large ‘screen’. Like, really large! On an apps that like, drops shadows!! It’s been a real problem for you , for years, that your apps aren’t dropping shadows anywhere.

They solved it for you. And I think.. you are going to love it.

All joking aside, I wouldn’t switch my psvr2 for this, it looks crap.

 

[WilliamG]

domestic dont though at least southwest

a few hour domestic flight is an ideal situation to watch a film time wise

I think we'll all survive... Or just bring a second battery, which is what I'd have anyway, so I can use it wirelessly and swap batteries as necessary.

 

[Delgibbons]

This tech exists right now. Quest 2 + Virtual Desktop = Half-life Alyx running on a Quest with no wires. I would imagine this experience would be enhanced by the added bandwidth of Wifi 6E, as right now you need a dedicated router for best possible results, as it needs almost the full bandwidth of 5GHz Wifi 6 for a much lower resolution video. Regardless, this is possible.

Yeah that’s what I’m saying! Works brilliantly over my normal Wi-Fi 6 with virtual desktop.

I reckon the colour pass through on the quest 3 will be a good stopgap until say the Apple version 4 or 5 gets to a more reasonable price 😁.

 

[Aslak3]

The "killer app" for me would be the ability to work without distractions and have "multiple monitors" without an elaborate hardware setup. I'd need to use it though to see if it would work as well as I'm imagining it would.

The question becomes: how long can I sit with the gadget strapped to my head before it becomes uncomfortable? This is the real barrier to this type of product.

 

[LionTeeth]

Did you even watch the keynote? They’re not “entering” a product space, this is something new and unique…

I did not watch it, but this is a VR headset. Seeing you say it’s something new and unique tells me their marketing is very effective (no surprise, it usually is).

But come on, it’s a VR set. And VR has already gone the way of 3D TV.

 

[jz0309]

This is gonna flop harder than Google Lens. It’s an enthusiast, professional product, with a professional price, but with features aimed at your mainstream average user audience, it’s just so ill conceived it’s barely believable that it came from Apple.

Everything about it is wrong, the price, the presentation, the price, the battery setup, the price, the feature set and did I mention the price?!

It will get an initial Apple boom but it will die off. They tried hard at the end to sell the value but it didn’t land, it’s a phone, a Mac, a TV blah blah blah that can do so much more than those, hence the $3500 price tag, only it can’t do more than those, it can do some of those devices tasks with a few extra gimmicks, but costs far more in one hit (we all own those devices already) and loses many of their key features. A TV for example can be watched by a family, it can be hooked up to a game console, it can be used for audio only for the whole room etc. This offers productivity apps like a Mac but without the precision, speed and fine detail of proper tactile controls.

They advertised this all wrong, it was all promotional, conceptual and mock-ups, all focussed on it being slick and polished, but they focused so much on that, that they overlooked the most important thing, a key selling feature, a reason to buy it. We needed clear cut use cases for why we need one, innovative solutions and apps, stuff that makes you think wow I need that. Instead we got a half an hour presentation that told me I could use messages or safari on it, something I could do much quicker, easier, more conveniently and less obtrusive on my day to day life by using my phone/Mac/iPad.

Your hands being traced by cameras is not a precise control system, it’s Microsoft Kinect all over again, they did this same pitch and it sucked back then too. They also pitched similar features such as virtual rooms and gatherings to watch a TV show or movie in.

I wanted to like this, but they have no argument for why it exists, they tried to shoe horn some selling points that actually landed as poor ideas. For example transfer my Mac screen to this seamlessly… if I’m on my Mac already, why would I want to transfer to this? That’s not convenient. If you wanted to make this truly appealing don’t just demo iOS on it, we all have iOS already. This thing needed a killer feature, they didn’t present us with one.

They came close, with the Disney+ presentation (albeit again all conceptual and not real), and the talk of a huge cinema like screen you could use on a plane or something… they then announced the two hour battery life and buried that idea before it even took off.

The battery on a cable was also dreadful, I’d rather have the weight on my head. It reminded me of old school TVs from decades ago with the remote on a wire.

Sorry guys, this looks like a fun thing to try once, a thing you hope your work gets or your friend gets so you can give it a go, but it’s not a product any standard user who doesn’t have unlimited funds to waste would buy.

Let’s have that conversation in a few years.
I think that a “pure” AR/VR headset would have failed but this one has huge potential.

 

[jz0309]

I did not watch it, but this is a VR headset. Seeing you say it’s something new and unique tells me their marketing is very effective (no surprise, it usually is).

But come on, it’s a VR set. And VR has already gone the way of 3D TV.

No, not a VR headset at all. You really need to spend the 25 min and see the presentation …

 

[1291030]

“Starting at $3499”

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!!! 🤣😂😂😂🤣🤣🤣🤣😂😂😂🤣🤣🤣🤣

They’ve lost their marbles. Entering a product space that has already failed to gain traction AND introducing a unit more expensive than half the computers they sell. This is insane.

Plus.. having no killer app for it. The gaming headsets do gaming, HoloLens has a niche in the business space. This killer app is, you got home theatre you can wear on your head.

It’s like, they are desperate to innovate , but are out of ideas 😆

 

[zach-coleman]

All joking aside, I wouldn’t switch my psvr2 for this, it looks crap.

I don’t think this is meant to replace gaming headsets natively. It’s going to be pretty difficult to make games with no controllers. I think it’s going for a different demographic… it’ll probably require something like virtual desktop mixed with some controller solutions to be viable as a VR game platform.

well, the point is, a 3.5k laptop is used every day for hours.
this device isn't. there is a lot of talk, but in the end it is rather unlikely that this device will be a game changer. not with the low numbers this will sell for sure. people will play a game, but they will not wear this for hours and use it for work, video calls, watching photos and movies, etc.

If you’re sitting at a desk you can plug it in and use it as much as you want. The battery life is just unplugged from a wall. That being said, probably still take it off and take a break every two hours anyways.

 

[kendalladmin]

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[super chimp]

“Starting at $3499”

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!!!

They’ve lost their marbles. Entering a product space that has already failed to gain traction AND introducing a unit more expensive than half the computers they sell. This is insane.

A product space that has actually contracted recently as well.

 

[SSDGUY]

I'm usually pretty excited about Apple products but somehow this one makes me want to ditch all my tech, buy a farm and raise chickens. The real kind, that are stinky.

 

[super chimp]

Did you even watch the keynote? They’re not “entering” a product space, this is something new and unique…

Well somebody has swallowed the marketing nonsense around this I see!

It is just another VR handset and I think people are trying to persuade themselves because it has the name Apple on it, it’s something new and different. Which it really isn’t.