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I wouldn’t be sat around people wearing it in any case. It’s unnecessary really. When someone approaches your desk and wants a conversation where you have to show them documents, CAD models on a screen, it’s a bit weird or difficult with a single headset I’d imagine. I don’t think this sort of product is aimed at that sort of user though and it’s for those who work in solitary conditions.
I wonder if this can this work with multiple headsets. Can you share or anchor a 3D model in place and someone else view it with you in their headset from I independent angles?

Cloud file sharing might allow something like that.
 
With the setup I outline above, you would just use the iPad to show the discussed content...?

Certain members of the company I work for already view CAD models via iPad through SolidWorks E-Drawings. This is also used on computers but people aren’t generally walking around the building carrying devices for impromptu conversations. We were discussing the use of VR headsets to replace monitors and I was just outlining what a depressing solution that would be to a problem that doesn’t currently exist. I work in an open plan office and wouldn’t want to be confined to working with a headset, even if it offers a more immersive experience for certain things.
 
You can do all the above on a tiny iPhone screen, on a 12.9" iPad Pro screen, on a 32" 4K screen for now, but 200", 300", 500" virtual screen without taking up one mm thick of your space?

It may not take up much of my space, yet it is less convenient than any of the mehods mentioned. It is hot, uncomfortable, creates skin issues, requires more frequent charging... It also isn't 200". It has the resolution of the Pro Display, which Apple thought should be 32" for perfect results.
 
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It may not take up much of my space, yet it is less convenient than any of the mehods mentioned. It is hot, uncomfortable, creates skin issues, requires more frequent charging... It also isn't 200". It has the resolution of the Pro Display, which Apple thought should be 32" for perfect results.
It's also pretty concerning for folks who wear glasses. As someone who wears glasses, I'm not really sure how this thing can affect my vision in the long term. There's literally a display about one-inch far from my eyes, and I'm already myopic... 🙃
 
Every nursing home in the country could have one. It could bring pleasure to many who no longer have the luxury of getting out and about to see the outside which as result affects their metal health and overall well being. How good would it be for the nursing staff to slip on one of these headsets to a resident so they could experience a virtual garden or lake or seaside and to hear the sounds of such, water running through a brook, waves crashing on the beach, birds singing in the garden. Such a thing would lighten up their world, for those that wanted to try it of course.

Being portable and with the right app's written for it, it could be used as a training tool for the police, firefighters, medics, the armed forces.

The thing is though, people need to stop and think that the reason the majority of this was not made for existing VR devices is because those devices did not have screens that produced good quality images and thus the perception was people would not be interested in seeing poor quality images whereas now with the Vison Pro, they do which now opens up a huge amount of possibilities. I bet there are already developers out there wishing to get their hands on one so they can start developing their ideas.
Seriously?

Most nursing homes barely spend the money to wash their residences bedsheets or whatever and you think they'll get these? and only one per nursing home?

Since it requires custom lenses for each prescription, how do you think they'll have to go about that since vision is often an issue as people get older.

What you described can be done with a headset that looks "just as good" for this application for 1/4 the price. This isn't the product for that.
 
Strange replies from professionals. You have your hand and it doesn't really matter if it holds a mouse, a pen or just glides in space. The biggest advantage to 3D modelling like that is you can actually model and view in 3D space at the same time as opposed to 2D input of a mouse or pen while looking at a screen. You know like a real thing.

Surgery. Have you guys heard of remote surgery or doing something internally via video feed with help of a tiny camera inside a patient's body? With AR you could perform a surgery and view an x-rayed body. All patient's vital functions could be overlaid on their body for the surgeon to see.

C'mon, just have some imagination!
Yes, I have my hand, and if I want to animate or draw, I need a STABLE base for it. You know, like a desk. Or a drafting table. No, drawing with your hand in the air is not the way it's done. Exactly - have some imagination, how do you expect me to wiggle my arm mid air to draw for lets say 12 or 14 hours? It's not physically possible - or would be torment.

Remote surgery needs the operator at a microscope / camera feed with his hands operating the tools like micro/precision robot arms. noone will be attaching an AR headset to professional million+ dollar equipment when someone's life is on the line anytime soon. It's not in the same league of robustness to begin with. There's a reason why our NASA mission rockets were using intel 386/486 processors not so long ago (I dont know, maybe they still use them).
So yeah AR surgery for now remains in the realm of Tony Stark etc.

As for 3d modelling - I don't get it. You want to model like in clay, but in 3D environment? Why? If you want to do that, just model in clay. 3d Scanners are not very expensive these days. And you won't beat clay modelling with 3d AR clay modelling anytime soon (never).
 
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In order to truly appreciate ANY VR/AR headset, you have to try it yourself. It is not something that can be demonstrated in a keynote through videos or pictures or explained through words. Apple have repeated this idea several times during the keynote. You have to experience it. Hold on with your judgment before you try it yourself. There are two options here: either Apple over-exaggerated with its product, or they are correct when stating (several times) how magical this product, and how much better is than anything we have experienced in terms of AR/VR to date (as the iPhone). If Apple are that confident to price this product at 3499$, maybe, just maybe, it is worth every dollar. Apple management are not stupid, nor the thousands of engineers working on this thing for several years.
Huh. THis is the most vague argument one can use. "Magic". Ok, I can try it, but doing what exactly? As I said, I see no application. I dont care if it's cool to navigate my OS apps menu with eyes - it can be razor sharp, crisp image with almsot no delay, but what exactly will I open these apps for? I want to actually do / accomplish something with this thing right? I truly see no application. "Magical experience" - but doing what exactly? Anything I could use it for (movies, work) will be inferior to alternatives.
 
You know when you're hammered and hanging out with your friends and you say something that it sounds SO OBVIOUS and brilliant to you and everyone? That is until the next day when you're sober and you realize it was literally the dumbest thing you've possibly ever said.

Half of this thread is filled with ideas and predictions JUST like that.

This device, at it's launch prices has it's use and user base, but that is a VERY limited one. The Idea that this thing is going to surpass iPhones, or replace TVs and be everywhere and anywhere is just a one of "those" fanboyish, delusional ideas.

This is NOT the next iPod or the iPhone. This might as well be Steve's worst nightmare if he was still around and this came to the market.
 
AR will worth through neuralink or contacts, or even Google Lens, some day, and it will be kind of useful. Not through massive scuba goggles.
Wait, you're going to ding Apple for push a "massive" product that you don't think is feasible but you are buying in on neuralink and contacts? I've seen those... on SciFi shows but I'm not going to base my near term buying decisions on that.

Apple will evolve the Vision and right now, it looks like they are ahead of anyone else in getting to that SciFi future.
 
Right. So you're just malding because you can't afford them now? You sound just like the android complainers who yell that iphones are so expensive. Can't afford, don't buy, it's that simple.
I have an iPhone and used Apple devices for years. I can afford this easily IF I wanted (or needed) one when released. I'm not sure what your point is here?

The "you're too poor" argument is so rampant on this discussion board, it's insane. Being critical of product's viability and it's implied value is not indicative of one's financial position.

Keep on flexin'............Bro.
 
Another disappointment from Apple. Not ready for prime time, years away it. What has happened to Apple? Where is the innovation and problem solving? How about giving priority to improving existing Apple apps so they work as expected? The quality of Apple devices and apps are disappointing, need to change that.
yeah,

like how about ****ing fixing the god damn old ass messages in system log that have been there for a while

Jun 7 19:57:38 GagansMacPro kcm[50899]: DEPRECATED USE in libdispatch client: Setting timer interval to 0 requests a 1ns timer, did you mean FOREVER (a one-shot timer)?; set a breakpoint on _dispatch_bug_deprecated to debug
Jun 7 19:58:22 GagansMacPro com.apple.xpc.launchd[1] (com.apple.mdworker.shared.20000000-0000-0000-0000-000000000000[50893]): Service exited due to SIGKILL | sent by mds[97]
Jun 7 19:58:52 GagansMacPro com.apple.xpc.launchd[1] (com.apple.mdworker.shared.1D000000-0000-0000-0000-000000000000[50889]): Service exited due to SIGKILL | sent by mds[97]
Jun 7 20:00:00 GagansMacPro com.apple.xpc.launchd[1] (com.apple.mdworker.shared.1F000000-0000-0000-0000-000000000000[50898]): Service exited due to SIGKILL | sent by mds[97]
Jun 7 20:00:26 GagansMacPro kcm[50903]: DEPRECATED USE in libdispatch client: Setting timer interval to 0 requests a 1ns timer, did you mean FOREVER (a one-shot timer)?; set a breakpoint on _dispatch_bug_deprecated to debug
Jun 7 20:01:10 GagansMacPro com.apple.xpc.launchd[1] (com.apple.mdworker.shared.1D000000-0000-0000-0000-000000000000[50900]): Service exited due to SIGKILL | sent by mds[97]
Jun 7 20:01:11 GagansMacPro com.apple.xpc.launchd[1] (com.apple.mdworker.shared.20000000-0000-0000-0000-000000000000[50901]): Service exited due to SIGKILL | sent by mds[97]
Jun 7 20:02:41 GagansMacPro kcm[50905]: DEPRECATED USE in libdispatch client: Setting timer interval to 0 requests a 1ns timer, did you mean FOREVER (a one-shot timer)?; set a breakpoint on _dispatch_bug_deprecated to debug

but they won't. it's insane. the idea "oh yeah you're not supposed to worry about what's in your log, that's normal" is the dumbest answer i've repeatedly read about issues like this. people don't want to accept the neglect of the fundamental products that define APPUL because, well, they like (probably 'are stuck with') the stock.

the amount of turd-polishing APPUL has done under Sino Chino ("they're not khakis, they're chinos" tim cook) is astounding. the innards of the OS have been neglected in the name of stringing along the casual technology "enthusiast" bag holders, many of whom are defending the device because their stock portfolio depends on it.

the operating system that people loved is now one people are afraid to update. i'm perfectly happy on mojave. and i was on yosemite until 2020, so make of that what you will.
 
I have an iPhone and used Apple devices for years. I can afford this easily IF I wanted (or needed) one when released. I'm not sure what your point is here?

The "you're too poor" argument is so rampant on this discussion board, it's insane. Being critical of product's viability and it's implied value is not indicative of one's financial position.

Keep on flexin'............Bro.
It’s the compliment to the argument you also see a lot of here “$3500! Only rich people can afford that. What was Apple thinking!?” While ignoring that that is exactly the price of a 16” MBP with M2 Ultra, something that many people on this forum would buy.
 
Once production costs come down there will be a more “mainstream” version of this (in whatever color combos you want) called simply Vision.

Not in the market for one, but I really think this aspect follows Apple’s introduction of “Retina” screens. Nobody knew we wanted it, it was a shock when announced, but once you actually use it it was clear that there’s no going back.

I’m not sure we should be calling whatever content is going to be made for these “movies” in the way we traditionally think of them. While it clearly excels as displaying 3D movies (which the tech for home theaters was never going to take off), there’s going to be a whole new type of “experience” based on the technology at play here.

I suspect that there’s going to be some really interesting blending of gaming/movies that will let you actually be in whatever scene you’re watching. That requires a whole different approach to scripting, filming (from literally every angle), audio design (you can move about the scene), etc. I think there’s going to be some really incredible things coming from Disney, and then some really really interesting conceptual movies/experiences from indies a few years down the road.

No one knew we wanted higher resolution screens?? Lol.
 
Sure! And that’s why Apple showed so much footage of people using them together and interacting.

I mean, seriously. Read virtually ANY article on the device. The central takeaway is that it’s isolating.


Fallacious nonsense. Goggles are not considered fashionable or desirable. If you contend that there’s no negative pressure facing ANY device that has to mount on your FACE you’re living in a seriously distorted reality. People generally aren’t rushing to wear goggles. How they look in them (ridiculous unless they’re skiing) is a big part of that as is the fact that they mess up your hair. Believe it or not, MOST humans are incredibly vein and self centered.

They actually showed a few scenes of users interacting with others. So, the device is perfectly capable of allowing the user to interact with (and see) other people. Don’t be so naive. Very few people have had an opportunity to actually use it. Your opinion and most others is just speculation based off current headsets.

Experience it, then judge.
 
No one knew we wanted higher resolution screens?? Lol.
You laugh, but have you forgotten the retina introduction of the iPhone, and then the iPad? It was pushing the bleeding edge of mobile GPU performance at the time to push that many pixels.

I know it feels forever ago but it genuinely was a big deal in the industry that it was even possible to do at the time.
 
You laugh, but have you forgotten the retina introduction of the iPhone, and then the iPad? It was pushing the bleeding edge of mobile GPU performance at the time to push that many pixels.

I know it feels forever ago but it genuinely was a big deal in the industry that it was even possible to do at the time.

I didn’t say it wasn’t a big deal. But you’re saying we didn’t know we wanted it. It’s why I took back my iPhone 3G and switch to palm webos with its better screen among other things like much better multitasking.

Of course the iPhone 4 came along.
 
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