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I've been waiting and waiting to buy a new MacBook Pro and I'll keep waiting until until it actually has enough ports for your typical MacBook Pro user and a keyboard that has more than 2 angstroms of travel and doesn't make a loud clacking sound every time you depress a key (so I don't really annoy people beside me in the library while I use it). If Apple made a better machine they'd sell more units.
 
When I first started following Apple in 2000, they weren’t even selling 1 million Macs a quarter. So this means that from 2000 to now, they’ve increased Mac sales five-fold. Not too shabby for a chronically “beleaguered” company.
I'm not being negative, I am very happy to see them continuing to increase sales, but yet their marketshare hasn't really changed since 2001. It seems to continue to hover near 10 percent.

Regardless I do enjoy using Macs and I look forward to what they have to offer in the future.
 
I wonder how many of those Macs are Macbook Airs. I see them all the time. The displays on those things are absolutely terrible, but people buy them because they are the cheapest Macs. They must be the biggest money maker in the Mac lineup.
 
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An important aspect is that Apple average selling prince is probably double from HP and Lenovo. %margin is for sure higher for Apple as well. So, I would say Apple should be close to being #1 in terms of profits from the PC business. I have not seen any 300 USD Apple laptops last time I checked.

Yeah, it would be interesting to see how many of those HP/Lenovo/Dell units would qualify as "pro" hardware according to the standards many people try to use with Apple when they claim the "pros" are being left behind vs. PC.
 
I wonder how many of those Macs are Macbook Airs. I see them all the time. The displays on those things are absolutely terrible, but people buy them because they are the cheapest Macs. They must be the biggest money maker in the Mac lineup.

They are not 'Terrible' . I use a Retina Pro all day for work and use my Air in the evening for personal stuff. 1440 x 900 for a resolution is still better than all laptops i had bought prior to my Air. Its an OK resolution , not terrible. 640x480 or 800x600 would be terrible.
 
I wonder how many of those Macs are Macbook Airs. I see them all the time. The displays on those things are absolutely terrible, but people buy them because they are the cheapest Macs. They must be the biggest money maker in the Mac lineup.

Yeah I don't like the display and I wonder when they'll get rid of non retina Macs.
 
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Macs continue to be the highlight of Apple's product line, except for two serious missteps: 1) The Touch Bar; and 2) Leaving pros out in the cold.
 
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They sell 20 million Macs yet there are people who state that only uneducated rich people buy them hahahaha!

Except we all know that it is the educated people that buy them. Great job Apple. Now if only they could get their heads out of the a$$es and get their OSes polished.
 
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Comparing Apple to Asus (or any of the other Windows PC makers) is silly.

The only comparison that's valid is Macs vs ALL PCs sold. People are in one of two camps (for the most part) Mac fan or Windows fan. Mac fans stay with Apple, Windows fans can pick & choose among a variety of vendors (who actually are enthusiastic about their computer line).
 
When I first started following Apple in 2000, they weren’t even selling 1 million Macs a quarter. So this means that from 2000 to now, they’ve increased Mac sales five-fold. Not too shabby for a chronically “beleaguered” company.

Well...

http://www.extremetech.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/01/computer-shipments-2015.png

In any case, not easy to draw conclusions from this report one way or another - I think very few pros/business people ar particulalry happy with the way Apple computers are moving (dongles everywhere, no upgradability, all-in-one "pro" computers, etc), but between a rock and a hard place - until Apple force the switch to iPad (Pro - of course) for everyone...
 
They sell 20 million Macs yet there are people who state that only uneducated rich people buy them hahahaha!

Down in CES, I have met countless Apple users who just hate Apple's new hardware, especially the lack of useful ports, dongles, and lack of updates.

Interesting statistic though, I wonder if the increase PC sales is coming from mostly US, that is skewing the data, or if it is wide spread general trend. I still think OSX is amazing, just quality control on software is down and hardware has taken a bad turn.
 
Maybe for the Mac Mini, but the Mac Pro was never a huge seller. What is the marketshare of Xeon-based computers outside of server farms in the non-Mac computer market?

It sold in large enough numbers to be worth a prominent position in Apple Stores.

The thing is it also drove other sales. People would use Mac Pros in their professional life, then buy a MacBook Pro as their personal computer as a consequence. Hopefully the new Mac Pro will be more flexible in specification and so be a good choice for more buyers (and so be worthwhile for Apple to update it more regularly).

Mac Mini influence was also much more than sales. It was a gateway computer for many app developers, going on to also get a Mac as their main computer later on, and of course contributed to the success of iOS.
 
If you remove business sales from this, Mac is closer to 30%. Companies aren't spending $2,000 on laptops..more like $799 for general business use. Apple can't compete in that market and iPad isn't yet there for business use for people who sit at a desk all day crunching excel spreadsheets.
 
Imagine how many more they would sell if they bothered to upgrade them every year, like every other computer company on the planet with much smaller bank accounts.

Quad-core Mac minis with user-upgradable RAM slots, not thin-laptop-design-in-a-desktop-case.

Really updated MacBook Airs. Not three-generations-ago processors and TN displays. But keep the currents ports and keyboard. Or if they drop magsafe, replace it with USB-C but keep the other two USB-A ports as well.

A Mac Pro that is actually made for pros. Function before form.

Apple isn't selling computers anymore, they are selling toys.

Macs are a great design but they are no longer designed for work.
 
I'd possibly have bought two Mac Pros in the last seven years, since I got my mid-2010 model. That's a shedload of cash Apple didn't receive. I hope Tim Cook finally gets it about computers; sadly Steve Jobs led him astray with that post-PC rubbish. Many people need a powerful, upgradable desktop system and I'll pay handsomely for the right one. Fingers crossed for a 2018 Mac Pro.
 
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Someone searched really hard to make that data positive. HP alone sold over 3 times as many systems. Apple has a less than 8% of the market that shrinks every year.

I guess you could say that, although Apple has never been anywhere near the top of share of units sold - and I suppose many would argue has never attempted to be there, but rather goes for the profit share, which I would expect they likely lead given their ASP...

I wonder whether it's 100%+ of profits in the market as with the iPhone? Most likely not, but I would be willing to wager that they have a healthy chunk of the market profits.

Continued growth in a shrinking market with an (at least relatively) expensive product, some might say that's a good thing - though apparently you would not be included there. Myself personally, I'd never want to buy the sort of device that's most likely an HP/Dell volume seller - I'd prefer to get an iPad or something like that at a $400 price level or so - and I don't think Apple would ever be able to match those guys in numbers of units sold
 
They will never catch the top 3 who benefit from massive corporate purchases made by Windows zealots in the IT departments and server purchases of which a lot are for Linux. 20 million is still a big number for a phone company. One plus for the consumer that hurts Apple is their computers are built to last for many years unlike most of the low end computers sold by the top 3. Macs also are handed down or resold because they hold their value. No one buys used Dells' or HP's.
 
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Apple isn't selling computers anymore, they are selling toys.

Macs are a great design but they are no longer designed for work.
Just last week I wrote a script on my iMac that used a well-written regex to search through tens of thousands of METARs and limit the dataset to only what I was interested in (hourly weather observations).

Now, sure, it’s possible on Windows, but I wrote the script in Python, which is natively bundled in macOS. On Windows, I’d have had to go follow one of many possible methods of installing and setting up Python before getting to work.

That’s an analog for a lot of serious work on Windows, it seems.
 
The market share would be higher ($$$) if Apple was aggressive in getting the latest chips and technologies into their computers. The Mac Mini needs to updated yesterday. The Mac Pro Tower needs to come out tomorrow. The low end laptops need more ports.
 
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