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Apple isn't selling computers anymore, they are selling toys. Macs are a great design but they are no longer designed for work.

10 years ago, you needed a Mac Pro to really do professional 2D design and photo work right. Today, you only need a laptop + secondary display. So it's actually the opposite of what you're implying: the power that many pros need has migrated down the product line due to the vast increases in processing performance per watt. The Mac Pros of today are for much heavier lifting that running the Adobe Creative Suite etc.
 
Food for thought...

Just about every Software Engineer/Developer including myself is running a Mac or multiple Macs. The fact that it has native unix support + OSX is incredibly useful in most environments. This coupled with companies equates to lots of Mac sales, so to be honest people should not be surprised by this.

I disagree that the "educated" buy Macs. I think the people that can afford macs buy macs for a few reasons mainly entry barrier and status/brand/ux.
 
Most of the MR community is so out of touch it almost hurts.

They expected the Mac to crash and burn based on their own wishes and feelings, were completely disproved by the reality of facts, and eventually pivoted to easy jokes on dongles, toys and outdated components.
 
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Well, I didn't contribute to that and have no intentions to until Tim takes his iPhone rose-coloured glasses off and puts out an updated mac mini or a reasonably priced headless mac or a reasonably priced 15in/17in laptop.
 
Food for thought...

Just about every Software Engineer/Developer including myself is running a Mac or multiple Macs. The fact that it has native unix support + OSX is incredibly useful in most environments. This coupled with companies equates to lots of Mac sales, so to be honest people should not be surprised by this.

I disagree that the "educated" buy Macs. I think the people that can afford macs buy macs for a few reasons mainly entry barrier and status/brand/ux.

Food for thought: The market share of Macs is 7.6% The market share of Windows machines is around 90%. How does that rhyme with: 'Just about every Software Engineer/Developer including myself is running a Mac or multiple Macs'? According to those figures your claim can't possibly be true.
 
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They are not 'Terrible' . I use a Retina Pro all day for work and use my Air in the evening for personal stuff. 1440 x 900 for a resolution is still better than all laptops i had bought prior to my Air. Its an OK resolution , not terrible. 640x480 or 800x600 would be terrible.

Really, though - 1080p should be the absolute minimum these days...
 
Sure, but most of HP/Lenovo/Dell sold machines are low-end cheaper units. Apple only sells high-end. I would like to see a breakdown on that as well, I'd suspect though that Apple leads in the premium business notebook shipments.

Low-end price with current gen CPU in them. But seriously, I was in the market for a new workstation desktop. When you cross off the i3 and low-end i5 chips, you are in $1000 and up territory. They aren't 'giving away' PC's like you might think. Not the better ones!
 
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Now that the PostPC-era has fallen onto us, Macs & other dongles must fall under the same peripheral category
 
Not possible. Marco Arment and the ATP crowd/tech bubble keep telling us how awful new Macs are.
 
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I would like to know what the break down of iMacs vs MacBooks were sold

Per Apple executives, laptops compose 80% of current Mac sales with desktops making up the remaining 20%.


I wonder how many of those Macs are Macbook Airs.

MacBook Airs were often believed to be the most-popular Mac model, however Apple execs have confirmed that the MacBook Pro (yes, the one everyone hates) is now the most-popular model sold.


Someone searched really hard to make that data positive. HP alone sold over 3 times as many systems. Apple has a less than 8% of the market that shrinks every year.

And yet Hp made only 30% more money on those 300% more sales. So clearly volume isn't everything.
 
Most of the MR community is so out of touch it almost hurts.

They expected the Mac to crash and burn based on their own wishes and feelings...

What are you talking about? Praise is given when due, and so is criticism. Nobody wants to see Apple go down the gutter. Maybe your assumptions say more about you than for the MR community.

Not possible. Marco Arment and the ATP crowd/tech bubble keep telling us how awful new Macs are.

The new Macs do have certain improvements and are also mired with compromises. The fact that Marco Arment chooses to focus on the latter may be lopsided but it doesn't make it untrue.

It's logical sales would increase when we were starved of any update for years and suddenly we got new units.
 
I would like to see how Apple's design->production process differs from HP/L/D/A/A. Apple must put a whole lot more into their process considering how small the product line is. I do not believe Apple computers are better than Dell Precision/Latitude/Optiplex having supported hardware on all these for decades.
 
An important aspect is that Apple average selling prince is probably double from HP and Lenovo. %margin is for sure higher for Apple as well. So, I would say Apple should be close to being #1 in terms of profits from the PC business. I have not seen any 300 USD Apple laptops last time I checked.

For Apple additional overhead wrt developing and maintaining the OS is there whereas the OEMs in PC market happily piggy back Microsoft on the software front, though they might provide drivers and hardware supports.

Many go for cheaper version of MacBook Pro/Air/Mini than the most expensive ones with 16 GB RAM types.
 
10 years ago, you needed a Mac Pro to really do professional 2D design and photo work right. Today, you only need a laptop + secondary display. So it's actually the opposite of what you're implying: the power that many pros need has migrated down the product line due to the vast increases in processing performance per watt. The Mac Pros of today are for much heavier lifting that running the Adobe Creative Suite etc.
********. The Current Mac Pro Trashcans are barely faster than the top of line Mac Book Pro for encoding video; mainly because Apple refuses to put *real* GPU power in there.
 
Still haven’t entice me to upgrade my Mac last year Maybe this year you will hopefully

Your comment speaks volumes about the Computer industry....Excellent products, meet the needs of consumers longer then most technology products, manufactures providing current updates longer, No real need to upgrade (nice to have vs required). The computers of today are a good value. Cudos to Apple in particular.
 
Just last week I wrote a script on my iMac that used a well-written regex to search through tens of thousands of METARs and limit the dataset to only what I was interested in (hourly weather observations).

Now, sure, it’s possible on Windows, but I wrote the script in Python, which is natively bundled in macOS. On Windows, I’d have had to go follow one of many possible methods of installing and setting up Python before getting to work.

That’s an analog for a lot of serious work on Windows, it seems.
So you are going lead us to believe that as a Python developer, you don't know how to install it on Windows? Give me a break.

Right now Apple does not sell anything that pro users would *really* want. I am eagerly waiting for the reports of iMac Pros melting down or being throttled so heavily so they don't.

Apple would make a **** load of cash if they sold a tower that allowed CPU and GPU swaps, and easily upgraded RAM and HDs.
 
So does Windows.
Despite being better than nothing, the Linux subsystem, i.e. Ubuntu on Windows is not quite the same and has some limitations compared to a UNIX system like MacOS. Still a very welcome development of course.
 
Not possible. Marco Arment and the ATP crowd/tech bubble keep telling us how awful new Macs are.

How many times does it have to be said that:

great sales ≠ great Mac's (or the best they could do)?

We macOS users are land locked into whatever they release for hardware.

It's incredibly hard to measure true customer satisfaction when users have nowhere to go unless they are willing to completely change their eco-system, OS workflow, re-buy much of their software, etc, etc.
 
They sell 20 million Macs yet there are people who state that only uneducated rich people buy them hahahaha!

Don't get too excited 20 million is a mere drop in the ocean.

What is more the case is the modern Mac is a shadow of its former self and a mere fashion accessory which can only be made useful by purchasing expensive docking station solutions.
 
Years ago my local Apple store prominently featured Macbook Pros at the front of the store. Now all Macs are down the sides more toward center and rear of store. The entire front of the store is iPhones, iPads and watches. Even Google maps identifies it as a phone store.

I'm not sure they care too much about new macs, despite what they say. If they did, new products would be rolling out of the "pipeline". It's only now they seem to be scrambling on redesign since they were getting so much pushback. But what happens after they release all new stuff? Wait another 2-3 years for updates? The Imac pro was easy to design since it used current chassis and display. Hardly anything to be excited about.
 
Low-end price with current gen CPU in them. But seriously, I was in the market for a new workstation desktop. When you cross off the i3 and low-end i5 chips, you are in $1000 and up territory. They aren't 'giving away' PC's like you might think. Not the better ones!

I am not talking about XPS and other premium laptops (their price is far from low-end btw). I am talking about Dell Inspiron etc. Those cheap, sub $700 laptops are the majority of sales. As for more premium computers, the all cost more or less the same for similar configuration, be it Dell, Microsoft or Apple.
 
Imagine if they tried hard. I've been wanting to buy a new Mac Pro for like 2 years. I have also been needing to buy my mom a replacement Mac Mini for about the same length of time. We both could have been halfway through another upgrade cycle, but instead she has nothing and I'm still limping along with my 2010 MP, while leaning more and more on my Windows gaming PC as a workstation.
 
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