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If Apple want break to out of 4th place they should consider a real pro laptop with 32GB+ DRAM and a hybrid Surface-like touch device running MacOS and not toy iOS originally for iPods.
 
Still haven’t entice me to upgrade my Mac last year Maybe this year you will hopefully

sitting on a 2013 iMac and still waiting.

If Apple want break to out of 4th place they should consider a real pro laptop with 32GB+ DRAM and a hybrid Surface-like touch device running MacOS and not toy iOS originally for iPods.

lol, to jump to third would mean a much lower price point, not a higher one
 
Not possible. Marco Arment and the ATP crowd/tech bubble keep telling us how awful new Macs are.

Well Marco did just note he likes his iMac Pro so much he may not need a Mac Pro when it's released (he will buy one, of course, but he may not keep it).


For Apple additional overhead wrt developing and maintaining the OS is there whereas the OEMs in PC market happily piggy back Microsoft on the software front, though they might provide drivers and hardware supports.

They paid (and may still pay) for that "piggybacking" through mandatory Windows licensing agreements on each unit manufactured.


The Current Mac Pro Trashcans are barely faster than the top of line Mac Book Pro for encoding video; mainly because Apple refuses to put *real* GPU power in there.

Because they can't due to the design. Hence them designing a new Mac Pro that can (along with shipping the iMac Pro).

We macOS users are land locked into whatever they release for hardware.

If you have the technical skills to deploy and support it, you could always go Hackintosh.


If Apple want break to out of 4th place they should consider a real pro laptop with 32GB+ DRAM and a hybrid Surface-like touch device running MacOS and not toy iOS originally for iPods.

People complain about the battery life in the current MBP as-is and it would be a fair bit worse at 32GB because it would be using much more power-hungry RAM because Intel cannot be bothered to support more than 16GB of battery-efficient RAM in their current mobile chipsets.

And considering how fast Surface is losing market share due to the huge quarterly sales drops, they would not be one of the places I would be looking to for design advice.
 
Nice, but look at the disparity. 7.6% marketshare vs. +20% for both HP and Lenovo and of course Dell at 16%
This really shows the pitiful state of the Windows PC market more than Apple getting ahead. Microsoft has to get involved because there’s literally nothing different about a 5-7 yo Windows PC than a new one. White box PC makers have moved to Android phones/tablets because there’s no profits in the market. The other 3 OEMS are scraping by on $500-$800 machines.. and Apple only has like one model under $999.
 
Wonder how many of the Apple Stores/3rd Party resellers actually have a Mini on display any more, I haven't seen one in the UK for years.

I can just about remember seeing a Pro but that store closed about 18 months ago.

If headless macs were people, they are so many generations ago they would have fought in WWI (or earlier) /end sarcasm
 
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The growth of their dongle business must be off the charts.

Don't get too excited 20 million is a mere drop in the ocean.

What is more the case is the modern Mac is a shadow of its former self and a mere fashion accessory which can only be made useful by purchasing expensive docking station solutions.

Please...enough whining about dongles and docking stations, it's been over a year.

I bought a MacBook Pro 15" 2016 and I only have one "dongle", a Transcend card reader, which is hooked up via an Amazon Basics USB-C to USB Micro B cable, of which I ordered two (the other is for a USB hard drive), along with a USB-C to USB 2.0 Male B for my audio interface and a USB-C to Display Port cable for my Dell P2415Q display. Total cost for 4 cables and a card reader - $60.76. I use the card reader for my iMac as well, which saves me time and frustration trying to put an SD card into the slot behind the computer.

In other words, I easily converted over to USB Type-C cables for my peripherals, have one tiny "dongle" on my desk and my transition has been without incident. The angst and teeth gnashing over "donglegate" is so overblown, you would think we lived in a soap opera. All of this venom over replacing a few cables is ridiculous.

Just an FYI for all those saying they will buy a MacBook Pro once all their beloved ports are restored...it's never going to happen. Apple does not move backwards in these types of things. Cough up the cash for some new cables and move on with your lives.
 
Sort the Mac Mini and Mac Pro out and it could be much higher.

Not really, Mac Mini never sold very well, it's a very particular format. And the Mac Pro is a niche product by definition. Neither of them would make sales "much higher".

Nice, but look at the disparity. 7.6% marketshare vs. +20% for both HP and Lenovo and of course Dell at 16%

Apple's machines start a $999, HP, Lenovo and Dell probably at $399. Obviously comparing marketshare without considering price bands makes no sense.

Imagine how many more they would sell if they bothered to upgrade them every year, like every other computer company on the planet with much smaller bank accounts.

Quad-core Mac minis with user-upgradable RAM slots, not thin-laptop-design-in-a-desktop-case.

Really updated MacBook Airs. Not three-generations-ago processors and TN displays. But keep the currents ports and keyboard. Or if they drop magsafe, replace it with USB-C but keep the other two USB-A ports as well.

A Mac Pro that is actually made for pros. Function before form.

Apple updated their products, and sales increased. Imagine that! 2017 is the year that most people holding off on a 3+ year old Mac decided to upgrade because "just enough" changes occurred this year to warrant an upgrade.

Now imagine sales if Apple actually brought some actual innovation and much needed real changes to their Mac platform?

Probably not a lot more considered that for most users the deal breaker is price and Apple sells expensive machines. The improvements you list may interest a little niche of users, not the mass market. That's why Apple is never been in a rush to update their machines very frequently (yes even before Cook), it really doesn't make the difference some people think it would make, given their business model.
 
Why should Apple not say "We're done here" with the Mac line? Why shouldn't they keep rehashing old IOS kit with new badges? The ecosystem did exactly what Jobs intended. It kept people feeling safe and locked in. Change is scary. Once they're in. They're in. Go into any phone shop and ask if people using Fruit-based devices ever go to Robot-based devices. They'll say "very rarely". The cosy feeling of complacency is a bigger draw than justifying spending (a lot) more cash on less tech. Apple shares rise and rise and still are. So there's no need to market lead any more. If the business model works then why change it? You can't argue with that.
 
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Well, my Mac Pro is from 2008 and my MBA from 2012. I'm having a hard time finding a decent replacement for either one of them.

I replaced my 2009 Mac Pro with the low-end 27" 5K iMac from 2017 and haven't regretted it for a second. Those machines are really out of date now in many, many ways.
 
If Apple want break to out of 4th place they should consider a real pro laptop with 32GB+ DRAM and a hybrid Surface-like touch device running MacOS and not toy iOS originally for iPods.

So your post clearly indicates how closely you're Not following Microsoft and how the Surface has dropped considerably in marketshare alongside with significant decline in sales in past quarters. And a touch
device doesn't mean anything in terms of what makes it a "Real" laptop."
 
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Apple's machines start a $999, HP, Lenovo and Dell probably at $399. Obviously comparing marketshare without considering price bands makes no sense
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Yes I understand the argument regarding apple's pricing but that's not the reason (or at least major reason) why they've not really been able to change their marketshare.
 
While I agree that a few models need some serious updating, I have been pleased with my old mac and the updates that Microsoft has made the past few years to Mac versions of Office and other business tools, like Skype for Business.

I can now run things I am working on in current projects into OneDrive and work at home on my Mini as if I am on my work PC in my office. It's very nice.

Them making the updates to Mini and Pro should only help this cycle...
 
I replaced my 2009 Mac Pro with the low-end 27" 5K iMac from 2017 and haven't regretted it for a second. Those machines are really out of date now in many, many ways.

You are right, even though I run the latest OS and software on them. I actually plan to get the 2018 5K iMac.
 
I agree with most every comment in here concerning what Apple left on the table. If they could have just update the Mini and the Pro and rounded out the product lines they could have sold more units. They've neglected several Mac models now for far too long. I've said it several times, I would buy a new Mac Mini every 3 years if they would properly update the hardware every 3 years.
 
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