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Apple Rumored to Debut 4.8-Inch 'iPhone Math' in June
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Part of why Apple's graphics chips continue to outperform anything released is the tight integration of software and hardware.....if they can help it, they won't move to a "one-size-fits-all" like Android.
Instead, like I mentioned, they double the iP5 resolution (giving the iPhone a whopping 530+ ppi in a 4.8" screen) while utilizing the power savings IGZO and TSMC's 20 nm SoC provide - among the usual yearly advances in battery and design.
When Apple moved to retina it was a huge jump from what had previously been offered - why do so many people think another big jump is so crazy? Especially if they can keep fragmentation down and devs happy.
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Oh no. Hands were designed for 3.5" only. 4" was already pushing it.
Oh no. Fragmentation.
Oh no. Developer nightmare.
Oh no. Apple is following not leading.
Oh no.....
I'm not a spec-whor, but if Apple in fact does release a 4.8" iPhone with IGZO (2272x1280), TSMC's 20nm SoC - A7 quad core with quad core graphics an updated camera and the new iOS team hits on iOS7, AND they do it all in typical Apple fashion (i.e. beautiful design, premium build, tight integration between hardware and software and little fragmentation) I think a lot of the trepidation surrounding Apple would immediately dissipate.
Well, this'd certainly put a solid dent in their "thumb" advertising campaign, but I'm more disturbed by the number of people wailing and gnashing their teeth as if this were a concrete fact and not just a highly-dubious rumour.
I, for one, love apple products. I have the ip5, Ipad 10" and going to get another iPod shuffle since my girl took over my other one. But I see her SG3 is functionally doing everything my iphone is doing.
run the same apps, neither crashing
maps are virtually the same
speeds are very close (she on verizon, me on ATT)
"Siri" versions on both phones are the same
Muti-tasking the same
Screen graphics look very similar (maybe I didn't use her phone enough to see a big difference)
Differences that are glaring at me with our usage
Iphone
Eco System sync is awesome with iTunes and iCloud
Much better construction
Integrated video capabilities w/o the need of an app throughout Eco System
Android
More real estate
Able to do inherently what jail broken iphones do which may give them an edge on usable functionality
So I really hope ios7 brings some increased functionality/innovation because in a few more droid releases, Apple may seem more and more dated.
run the same apps, neither crashing
maps are virtually the same
speeds are very close (she on verizon, me on ATT)
"Siri" versions on both phones are the same
Muti-tasking the same
Screen graphics look very similar (maybe I didn't use her phone enough to see a big difference)
Differences that are glaring at me with our usage
Iphone
Eco System sync is awesome with iTunes and iCloud
Much better construction
Integrated video capabilities w/o the need of an app throughout Eco System
Android
More real estate
Able to do inherently what jail broken iphones do which may give them an edge on usable functionality
So I really hope ios7 brings some increased functionality/innovation because in a few more droid releases, Apple may seem more and more dated.
I'm coming late to this particular thread (and I hope you guys don't mind if I interject)....but question for @xtacee: What is your definition of "established"? From following this set of posts, it seems you're equating established to popular. Maybe the crux of the argument that you're having with @KnightWRX is this: his definition of established != yours.
I actually think established does not need to mean popular. There are many established brands that are not popular (in sales/revenue, in popularity / public exposure / perceived quality). For example: Look at Yugo, Oldsmobile, and Hyundai. These are established brands and most people recognize them, but I wouldn't call them popular.
Too large a phone = not easily hitting in your pocket. And that does matter. Also developers prefer the same screen resolution ratios etc etc.
I think this rumour is just that. Little info there I actually believe could be true. I think the next phone will be a 5S. An actual 5S or a 6 (which is really a 5S, like the iPad 4th gen is really a 3rd Gen S).
Apple usually updates the form factor on a biannual schedule.
I think this rumour is just that. Little info there I actually believe could be true. I think the next phone will be a 5S. An actual 5S or a 6 (which is really a 5S, like the iPad 4th gen is really a 3rd Gen S).
Apple usually updates the form factor on a biannual schedule.
Apple has no choice but to offer more...
They brought something to market that changed everything, and then failed to realized that the mobile space is different than computers. They have like 30% market share and like 70% of the profits. They have to dominate on both fronts, and that means expanding out from your core users and their needs. They may not want to create a "budget" iphone, but then they still their older models so they don't really need to create a new phone to fit this market. They don't have a choice when it comes to the bigger screen, they have to make one or eventually that market share will drop to the point where the profits start to drop and then it will be too late.
They need to keep the current iPhone 5, but with a plastic back, make an iPhone 5s which has a metal back, higher storage, and better cpu; and finally iPhone 5s Math, plus, whatever that has all same internals as the regular 5s, but have a battery so fricken big that everyone say, "WTF Tim, does that thing run on plutonium?"
They brought something to market that changed everything, and then failed to realized that the mobile space is different than computers. They have like 30% market share and like 70% of the profits. They have to dominate on both fronts, and that means expanding out from your core users and their needs. They may not want to create a "budget" iphone, but then they still their older models so they don't really need to create a new phone to fit this market. They don't have a choice when it comes to the bigger screen, they have to make one or eventually that market share will drop to the point where the profits start to drop and then it will be too late.
They need to keep the current iPhone 5, but with a plastic back, make an iPhone 5s which has a metal back, higher storage, and better cpu; and finally iPhone 5s Math, plus, whatever that has all same internals as the regular 5s, but have a battery so fricken big that everyone say, "WTF Tim, does that thing run on plutonium?"
So are you saying that everyone who has an android phone >4" is having problems putting their phone in their pocket? Ummmm because my 4.6" Skyrocket fits just as well/easily as my iPhone did. Have a nice day.
I'm trying to follow the debate between the two of you, but I can't seem to get it. You claim he is ignoring or disagreeing with facts, but which facts might that be? He claimed that prior to the S3's success, the Galaxy S series wasn't an established brand, rather it was a brand name on the rise that only achieved its status of "established" when the S3 starting making its scene on the market.
Is there a fact as to when the Galaxy S series became an "established" brand? That would seem to be a rather subjective thing so far as I can discern. What we do know, unless my numbers are wrong, is that the first Galaxy S sold about 24 million units, the second about 40 million, and that the new one has already sold over 40 million, at a far faster pace than the other two models, and now the Galaxy S series has finally surpassed the 100 million sales mark. Perhaps your interlocutor believes one needs to sell over 100 million units to become established.
Apple sold over 100 million iPhones before the iPhone 5 was even introduced, so if one uses that as the criterion for determining whether or not a brand is "established", it would seem that our friend can certainly disagree that you have presented any relevant facts that need to be addressed.
greeeeeaaatttt
its a wonderful idea, but it'll give apple haters yet another reason to have hissy fits over apples products -__-
"HA APPLE FAG LOSERS UR IPHONE SUCK APPLE IS STUPID AND RIPS OFF SAMSUNG NEEEEHHHHH"
just an example of what you will hear
its a wonderful idea, but it'll give apple haters yet another reason to have hissy fits over apples products -__-
"HA APPLE FAG LOSERS UR IPHONE SUCK APPLE IS STUPID AND RIPS OFF SAMSUNG NEEEEHHHHH"
just an example of what you will hear
I think they could do a larger screen in a way that doesn't damn them.....but I also would argue changes in iOS 7 are immensely more important than changes in the hardware.
Ha - that would be a funny argument considering the over the next few iPhones we'll see fewer Samsung parts.
What if the 4.8" iPhone comes out and blows everyone away - WITHOUT any Samsung tech? (Sharp IGZO screen, TSMC SoC) Would we then be able to say - "Ahh look at what Apple can do when they aren't held back by Samsung!"
I'm only kidding of course
This rumor is fake.
From reading the title of the post, I can say that this rumor is fake. I mean a 4.8 inch is possible. But won't happen this year. This year is just a spec bump. I think most people should know the pattern by now. iPhone 3G - major design update, iPhone 3GS - speck bumps, iPhone 4 - major design update, iPhone 4S - speck bumps, iPhone 5 - major design change. And now the iPhone 5S. I am 100% sure that this will be just a minor speck bump update.
From reading the title of the post, I can say that this rumor is fake. I mean a 4.8 inch is possible. But won't happen this year. This year is just a spec bump. I think most people should know the pattern by now. iPhone 3G - major design update, iPhone 3GS - speck bumps, iPhone 4 - major design update, iPhone 4S - speck bumps, iPhone 5 - major design change. And now the iPhone 5S. I am 100% sure that this will be just a minor speck bump update.
Earlier i thought galaxy s3 would be too big for easy handling, but i was wrong when i held it in store myself, its pretty manageable. I use iPhone 4S and i think iPhone too can push to that upper limit and still be usable. It would be great if on top of that they could get the bezel even more thinner it would fit even more better.
But somehow i feel 4.5 inch would be really sweet spot.
But somehow i feel 4.5 inch would be really sweet spot.
Oh no. Hands were designed for 3.5" only. 4" was already pushing it.
Oh no. Fragmentation.
Oh no. Developer nightmare.
Oh no. Apple is following not leading.
Oh no.....
Simple answer is, Android has the options apple doesn't, if enough people, like myself, move to an android phone because they want things like a bigger screen or better battery then apple is likely, once its lost enough market share, to follow suit.
I think the days of apple being able to sell to a small core audience has gone, to maintain its share prices it needs to do two things, continue to shift stock at the levels its been shifting over the last 3 years or so, and to introduce innovative new disruptive products like the MacBook Air and iPad.
At the moment however apple seems to be playing catchup, certainly outside the USA, in terms of understanding what consumers want, the iPhone 5 looks small compared to a lot of the android phones, its almost too small and too light now, it feels fragile, not something i want in a device that's going to be rattling around in my pocket with my keys for large portions of the day.
Also as phones have gone from being just phones and texting devices, the larger screens of the android phones are becoming a godsend, full page browsing, and on some now, two app multitasking is a just a fantastic innovation that apple has steadfastly refused to admit users want.
BTW, to those of you who think just because apple is doing great on market, they can't do no wrong..(oh, actually you can't even say
that anymore).
This is like a movie sequel. People are buying based on past reputation.
It used to be that people buy apple stuff because it was so AWESome. Now people buy because that is the thing to do.
I still buy my apple gear but I am not as happy as before. Increased competition? Yes. Increased copy cat like sammy? Absoutely.
But I also know that apple is caught in coporate trap of having to satisfy share holders by having to increase or maintain their high margin.
Mr.Cook is all the wrong CEO apple could have. All politic and no innovation. The guy might be logistic genius but people do not have faith in him.
When things were going wrong, people look to Steve Jobs to correct them and people believed him.
There was something about him that made people believe that what he saw as future was the future.
Same cannot be said about Cook. He wants to satisify everyone and his pockets.
Steve only wanted to be right about his vision.
that anymore).
This is like a movie sequel. People are buying based on past reputation.
It used to be that people buy apple stuff because it was so AWESome. Now people buy because that is the thing to do.
I still buy my apple gear but I am not as happy as before. Increased competition? Yes. Increased copy cat like sammy? Absoutely.
But I also know that apple is caught in coporate trap of having to satisfy share holders by having to increase or maintain their high margin.
Mr.Cook is all the wrong CEO apple could have. All politic and no innovation. The guy might be logistic genius but people do not have faith in him.
When things were going wrong, people look to Steve Jobs to correct them and people believed him.
There was something about him that made people believe that what he saw as future was the future.
Same cannot be said about Cook. He wants to satisify everyone and his pockets.
Steve only wanted to be right about his vision.
It's over the word established I'm guessing (I haven't read the exchanges).
Much like asking someone when life begins - being an established brand can be trick. But ultimately - if a company releases a product and BRANDS it - then it's an established brand. If they have a logo, marketing materials, etc - all the things that go into branding. Then - it's established. Just like if I write a book and self publish it - I can call myself a published author. That doesn't mean I've sold any or thousands have any notoriety.
I understand the confusion and/or debate.
Much like asking someone when life begins - being an established brand can be trick. But ultimately - if a company releases a product and BRANDS it - then it's an established brand. If they have a logo, marketing materials, etc - all the things that go into branding. Then - it's established. Just like if I write a book and self publish it - I can call myself a published author. That doesn't mean I've sold any or thousands have any notoriety.
I understand the confusion and/or debate.
I got accused of being a "spec-whore" when I started a thread surrounding this topic - and while I'm perfectly content with my iPhone, I have one question:
If Apple actually DID release this 4.8" iPhone - and it wasn't the 'low-end' one rather the high-end model, with the screen I've discussed (2272x1280 - doubling of the iP5's current screen, IGZO), TSMC's 20nm SoC - A7 quad core CPU and GPU, same battery life, 8-12 MP camera, 1080p FaceTime camera AND all the normal Apple goodness (efficiency, ecosystem), provided Ive and Co. can "fix" iOS with iOS 7 - who here wouldn't drool over that phone.....
Obviously the hardware stuff is all gravy - iOS 7 will be where the real battle is fought....but damn if that phone comes out....
If Apple actually DID release this 4.8" iPhone - and it wasn't the 'low-end' one rather the high-end model, with the screen I've discussed (2272x1280 - doubling of the iP5's current screen, IGZO), TSMC's 20nm SoC - A7 quad core CPU and GPU, same battery life, 8-12 MP camera, 1080p FaceTime camera AND all the normal Apple goodness (efficiency, ecosystem), provided Ive and Co. can "fix" iOS with iOS 7 - who here wouldn't drool over that phone.....
Obviously the hardware stuff is all gravy - iOS 7 will be where the real battle is fought....but damn if that phone comes out....
Doesn't sound like something Apple would do; everything about it sounds dubious... but they do need to address the developing markets with phablets or a large smartphone.
Also, from a manufacturing/engineering standpoint, it makes sense since it's cheaper to build these large screen devices than trying to cram the latest tech into a smaller device like they did with the iPhone 5. It's a major engineering achievement, but unfortunately not everyone realizes or appreciates that.
Also, from a manufacturing/engineering standpoint, it makes sense since it's cheaper to build these large screen devices than trying to cram the latest tech into a smaller device like they did with the iPhone 5. It's a major engineering achievement, but unfortunately not everyone realizes or appreciates that.
There is a lot of Apple pride on this thread. I love Apple and always will. They still in my opinion make the best smartphone on the market. I have been currently using the SGS3 for the last 6 months so from experience I can say the iPhone compliments its features with its hardware better so the whole experience is better. Anyway, the time Apple created the iPhone was way different than 2013. They have already made the platform for the modern day smartphone. There is not a new phone they create. Apple can now grow and mold there iPhone into what technology is moving to. This is not a desperate move. If larger phones is what consumers are buying then Apple has to move with the times. Remember Apple is a company and as with any company the objective is to please customers and make profit. If not they will just wither and die. Variety among iDevices is long over due. Whether that means different color iPhones or sizes, this is the right move.
Yes, that's certainly a reasonable interpretation of "established". Once the necessary patents, licences, certifications, etc. are granted, then the brand is established, i.e. recognized by the authorities in power. But from the context of xtacee's words, I took him to mean "established" in the more popular and less technical sense, as in "reputable", "popular", "in existence for a long period of time". Both are fair usages, so this seems to be a semantic debate.
I have one question:
If Apple actually DID release this 4.8" iPhone - and it wasn't the 'low-end' one rather the high-end model, with the screen I've discussed (2272x1280 - doubling of the iP5's current screen, IGZO), TSMC's 20nm SoC - A7 quad core CPU and GPU, same battery life, 8-12 MP camera, 1080p FaceTime camera AND all the normal Apple goodness (efficiency, ecosystem), provided Ive and Co. can "fix" iOS with iOS 7 - who here wouldn't drool over that phone.....
Obviously the hardware stuff is all gravy - iOS 7 will be where the real battle is fought....but damn if that phone comes out....
The question is more of a case of would we really need those specs in a phone? I've heard many complaints over the iPhone 5 mainly down to the case coatings, and the over familiarity of iOS, but none about its performance.
Like you say I think IOS 7 is going to be far more important than just bumping specs left right and centre. It's the software side of things that has let apple down more so than cpu and gpu speeds.