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Handheld GPS receivers take 12.5 minutes to download the almanac data (it's only 50 bits per second) and it has to be redownloaded every 4 hours. Mobile phones download weeks worth of almanacs over WiFi or cellular so they can get a GPS fix in seconds.

GPS doesn't work indoors, so Apple & Google have a location database of essentially every WiFi access point in the world that is looked up over cellular or WiFi when indoors instead.


Wtf lol. Turn off your cellular data or better yet pop out your sim. Turn off wifi and open your maps app. Gps will still work even indoors.
 
Yup. And for a very small monthly charge you can get a real phone number through Skype and make / receive phone calls with their cheap calling plans. Pretty good for a teenager to use.

Exactly. I have a yearly paid Skype plan. $60/year for unlimited and you get your own phone number. I use it for business calls through Wifi. Works very well.
 
Not sure where the market is for this?

For kids that don't need a phone, it is cheaper to get use a hand me down iPhone like an iTouch.

There still selling what, 10M a year, that,s 2B+ dollars in revenues with very high margins, everyone other company wouldn't sneeze on 1B dollars in profits :).
 
Yup. And for a very small monthly charge you can get a real phone number through Skype and make / receive phone calls with their cheap calling plans. Pretty good for a teenager to use.

and you can keep the same number and use it over WIFI in any country too.
 
Why bother. I'll just use my existing iPhone as an iPod if I plan to upgrade to another iPhone.

But why would I have two devices? It'll just sit in the closet. :p
 
I have mixed feelings about this rumor.

If they're simply going to upgrade the hardware to be relative to the iPhone (spec-wise), then I say don't bother. If they're going to do some things to improve it as a portable media player, then I'm interested... very interested.

My current phone is the Sharp Aquos Crystal, which is a fine PMP in its own right, but I typically use my two 32GB iPhone 4's for media playback... but really enjoy using the iPod Nano 3G (fatty), and iPod Nano 6G (in watch mode) because it is more "media centric" if that makes any sense.
 
I wouldn't be surprised to see a new Nano with Wi-Fi and Apple's new streaming service built in.

Also, give the iPod touch a memory boost, so people who are mourning the classic can have a reason to live.

Surely thats the next move. I would hope since we've just got 128gb elsewhere, the iPods should be next.

Who knows though.
 
I have mixed feelings about this rumor.

If they're simply going to upgrade the hardware to be relative to the iPhone (spec-wise), then I say don't bother. If they're going to do some things to improve it as a portable media player, then I'm interested... very interested.
why not. it is what they tend to do with all those iphone 'upgrades' year after year
 
Handheld GPS receivers work very well without using a cellular network. iPhones make use of the cellular networks when they can because it's convenient, not because it's necessary.

But, I've heard without the cellular network, it's slow and quite inaccurate. I'd love to be wrong about that though, as most of my wanted GPS usage would be in places without cell networks anyway.

And yes, they make handheld GPS receivers that are very good... I've looked into getting a Bad Elf GPS Pro. But, the chips in cell phones, for whatever reason, aren't nearly that good (again, from what I've heard and read).

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Yeah, though they should put an FM radio in the iPod Touch. Actually they should put FM radios in all of their portable devices. In the iPods, it would be a way to listen to music and news when it doesn't have an internet connection, while in an iPhone or a cellular iPad, it would allow users to listen to music and news without having to go through their data plan.

People still use radios? ;) (Actually, I'm being a bit serious, as I don't think I've listened to a radio, purposely, since I almost always listen to podcasts or on-board music library.)
 
why not. it is what they tend to do with all those iphone 'upgrades' year after year
Because Apple doesn't appear to be serious about iPod-anything these days. They let something wither on the vine (no visibility, enhancements, improvements), and then use the lack of sales as the reason for discontinuing it. It's a tried and true formula that allows them to make money all along the way.

A 6th gen iPod Touch that simply bumps up the processor, screen size, (and maybe a storage boost to 128GB) is yawn-worthy... IMO.
 
We will have to wait until 2016 to see but Apple wants
1) All devices to be 64 bit.
2) Touch ID in the IOS devices.

Nobody will know until then but I wouldn't risk getting a 5C.

That would be great about touch ID. That's one feature I want on both my iPad and my iPod or iPhone for sure. The big factor is RAM though... min 1 GB. I don't think I'd do a 5c either, especially 8GB storage. 16 GB is tight enough these days for most people. I wouldn't do less than 32 GB, and I don't even try and put a huge music library on mine.

In my opinion, IOS 8.3 runs acceptably on my Touch 5. IOS 9 is just a maintenance upgrade with optimizations so it should actually run better than IOS 8.3.

Hmm, that's good to hear. I guess you're not typing much. On my iPad 2, iOS 8.x has been a major problem. I can deal with lag in launching apps and app switching (though I'm not happy about it). But, keyboard lag is really a problem. iOS 8 has been the biggest productivity killer from Apple in a long time for me. I'd go back to iOS 7 if there were an easy way. :(
 
I'm surprised people still buy the iPod Touch. I figure everyone who would want one has an iPhone at this point.

I had an iPT, and then I got an iPad, and then an iPhone6. Of all of them I still remember the iPT most fondly. It was a 4th Gen, 3.5 in screen. It took everything I could throw at it. It was a little toy I left in my pocket and pulled out during chemo to play something. It was the thing I checked my e-mail on at cafes. It played music all day at my desk. I dropped it, it got rained on, it got scratched, but it just kept going and going. I still think for its mix of capabilities and extreme portability it's my favorite gadget of all. In fact I still use it. It's by my bedside as a clock, an internet radio, and I can check mail or the web on it when I need to in the middle of the night. Honestly, I'd rather have an iPT than my iPhone6 but I need to receive the occasional phone call. My iPad is good for the extra real estate on the screen, but it's more of a bother to carry than the iPT.
 
Sure it does.

If you don't have WiFi when you're charging overnight, the iPhone won't pull down the GPS almanac and ephemeris data for the next day. If the almanac is out of date when you use Maps or any location aware app, the iPhone will download it over cellular immediately. If there's no cellular coverage then it will take up to 12.5 minutes to pull it down over the satellites at 50 bits per second.

The almanac and ephemeris data is downloaded at least daily from: https://iphone-ld.apple.com/xtra/xtra2.bin

How does this thing do it?

"Accurate to 2.5m (9 ft) up to 60,000 ft and 1000 mph... Quickly acquires satellite lock without cell tower assistance. Hot start time as quick as 2 seconds."

http://bad-elf.com/pages/be-gps-2300-detail

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I had an iPT, and then I got an iPad, and then an iPhone6. Of all of them I still remember the iPT most fondly. It was a 4th Gen, 3.5 in screen. It took everything I could throw at it. It was a little toy I left in my pocket and pulled out during chemo to play something. It was the thing I checked my e-mail on at cafes. It played music all day at my desk. I dropped it, it got rained on, it got scratched, but it just kept going and going. I still think for its mix of capabilities and extreme portability it's my favorite gadget of all. In fact I still use it. It's by my bedside as a clock, an internet radio, and I can check mail or the web on it when I need to in the middle of the night. Honestly, I'd rather have an iPT than my iPhone6 but I need to receive the occasional phone call. My iPad is good for the extra real estate on the screen, but it's more of a bother to carry than the iPT.

I'm in a similar situation. If it weren't for the phone calls (I have a separate dumb-phone right now) and texting (people seem to insist on sending me texts), I'd have zero need for an iPhone. But, I might have to break-down one of these days and go that route. I just wish they made smaller ones and that it didn't cost so darn much! The plans are nothing short of insane on pricing.
 
Good and Bad

This is good - I want to see them update it, and I might even buy a few. The camera/video and processor capabilities are especially important.

But it's also a sign of how little innovation and direction Apple currently has. I don't think their CEO's the type to do this, and somehow he's not inspiring/hiring the people/person to be the visionary either.

It makes sense to carry on with a product if people still want it - and I'm one of them - but their willingness to make another iteration shows a lack of ideas for any new product segment they might be working on instead.


Dick Tracy watch? Old idea. The world is so different now that it may not even sell that well. Looks like someone's trying to create his childhood dream, rather than manufacture what really makes sense for the 21st century.

How about the world's lightest and most efficient notebook with a full-sized-keyboard?
Impressive? Yes.
Innovative and creative? Not really.


When Apple execs say they're being innovative they're deluding themselves. A five-year-plus automobile project will not make up for their lack of new and worthwhile products today.


Again, updating the iPod Touch is something you do when you don't have any new ideas.
 
I don't understand this stigma for the iPod touch. It's actually a good "gateway" Apple product, if you will. Kid receives an iPod touch for Christmas or their birthday, they love it. When they get older, they want an iPhone because they've already enjoyed their iPod for years, and they want to be able to use it as their main phone. Then, why not throw in an iPad or mac for school work as they move onto college? Now they're locked into the ecosystem essentially and will keep upgrading their devices, which means more $$$ for Apple. I see it all the time.

Plus, to all you people who say "Just get an iPhone", no parent in the right mind wants to get their 9 year old a full fledged smartphone, and have to deal with higher phone bills, much higher price upfront if you buy off contract, etc. It just makes much more sense to get a younger child an iPod touch for entertainment. And even some adults prefer the iPod because of the lack of huge phone bill, but they still get pretty much all the iPhone capabilities other than data, SMS, and regular phone calls. Just get a basic phone with that and you are set if you aren't picky. And iPad mini isn't as portable either so it could be a pain with the kids.

Anyway, I think the iPod touch 6 will actually have an A8 processor. This is because the iPod touch 5 came with the iPhone 5 and had just one year behind in specs. iPhone 5 had A6, iPod 5 had A5. The A5 was still a VERY relevant chipset back then, iOS 6 flew with it, and it was incredible. Wouldn't make much sense to put already 2 year old specs in the thing, because it would need to be upgraded again very soon. Touch ID will be in there as well, Apple is most definitely trying to standardise that. It probably will have the same Apple Pay capabilities like iPad Air 2 and iPad mini 3. It can't have full on Apple pay with NFC because it would need to be able to contact Apple, then the bank at any given moment to actually charge the card.

If this rumor is true, I feel bad for all those kids I know of right now who *just* got an iPod touch 5 this Christmas. I'm seeing more and more iPod Touch 5's lately, which is unfortunate. Will probably cause issues with iPod touch 6 sales because what parent will spend a good chunk of change on one of these for their kid(s) and get a new one just months later? Apple definitely waited too long to update the iPod touch.

I had an iPT, and then I got an iPad, and then an iPhone6. Of all of them I still remember the iPT most fondly. It was a 4th Gen, 3.5 in screen. It took everything I could throw at it. It was a little toy I left in my pocket and pulled out during chemo to play something. It was the thing I checked my e-mail on at cafes. It played music all day at my desk. I dropped it, it got rained on, it got scratched, but it just kept going and going. I still think for its mix of capabilities and extreme portability it's my favorite gadget of all. In fact I still use it. It's by my bedside as a clock, an internet radio, and I can check mail or the web on it when I need to in the middle of the night. Honestly, I'd rather have an iPT than my iPhone6 but I need to receive the occasional phone call. My iPad is good for the extra real estate on the screen, but it's more of a bother to carry than the iPT.

Again, gateway product lol. I'm 15, got my first iPod touch (2nd gen) way back when I was 9, iPhone OS 3 was still the latest version. Then iOS 4 came out and screwed up my iPod 2 so much, remember hearing the iPhone 3G nightmare? Same exact situation with the iPod touch 2nd gen.

Anyway, I toughed it out for a good two years, skipping later versions of iOS 4 and all of iOS 5. I saved up my money bit by bit, from birthdays, Christmas, allowance... Finally had enough money to upgrade. I was thinking of getting an iPod 4 but luckily I was smart and decided it would be best to wait for an iPod 5. Lo and behold, iPod 5 came out. Ended up getting that on release and it was incredible. Went from horrendous iOS 4.2.1, barely any app support, non-retina display, no camera, etc to having pretty much everything iOS 6 had to offer. I got into the Apple ecosystem from there, and grew to appreciate it more and more. Later on, my school district had been getting into using iPads for education, and I decided to get my own. iPad mini 2 was what I ended up getting. At this point I had dropped the iPod and got a Galaxy S4. I sort of was fed up with the awkward iOS+Android setup, and was lucky to be able to use my dads upgrade to get an iPhone 6. My dad was really glad to get my S4 as it was vastly superior to his Droid Bionic. Felt sort of bad to give him a hand-me-down device but he insisted he would rather just take mine because he wanted a Galaxy anyway.

So yeah, here I am, having spent a good... $325 or so on the iPod, $425 or so on the iPad, and over $200 on the iPhone 6. Not looking to switch away from Apple anytime soon, either.
 
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I think the point that it doesn't have cell service, and the wifi can be turned off resulting in much better battery life is huge. As I am now flying much more, I may get one (if they majorly beef up the capacity) just to be able to shut my phone completely off when I board.

Or, I may wind up with an iPad Mini. Either one will work...
 
Handheld GPS receivers take 12.5 minutes to download the almanac data (it's only 50 bits per second) and the ephemeris data has to be redownloaded from the satellite every 4 hours.

Instead, mobile phones download this data over the internet so they can get a GPS fix in seconds.

GPS doesn't work indoors, so Apple & Google have a location database of essentially every WiFi access point in the world that is looked up over cellular or WiFi when indoors instead.

iPod Touch has Wifi and could cache the almanac / map data just like the iPhone does. I've often used GPS when my iPhone was outside the cellular network coverage area, including at sea. Sometimes all I need is lat/long.
 
There still selling what, 10M a year, that,s 2B+ dollars in revenues with very high margins, everyone other company wouldn't sneeze on 1B dollars in profits :).

Sure, but that number must be dropping, or Apple would have paid more attention to the refreshes and improvements.

But hey, if people want to spend $200 on a iPhone without the phone when you can pick up and iTouch (with a phone) from ebay iPhone 5 and/or 5s(in Sept) for less.

Then let em.
 
Might as well put in an A8 at least, if they are going to do what they did with this A5 version and leave it in the lineup untouched for years.
 
How about the world's lightest and most efficient notebook with a full-sized-keyboard?
Impressive? Yes.
Innovative and creative? Not really.

Computers don't need to be innovative. You don't need a do all piece of hardware to write your best selling novel, nor do you need that when working for the Fortune 500. Not having a touchscreen on their laptops isn't hurting Apple because most of us who need it are using third-party hardware.
 
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I'm surprised people still buy the iPod Touch. I figure everyone who would want one has an iPhone at this point.

iPod Touch is great for kids. I do UX design, and they used to be great for testing out designs -- until Apple refused to update them for years at a time.

Most of what I use my iPhone for doesn't require a phone or even a data plan. And if I am getting one for a kid or to test another iOS form factor, no way in hell I want another data plan.

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Sure, but that number must be dropping, or Apple would have paid more attention to the refreshes and improvements.

But hey, if people want to spend $200 on a iPhone without the phone when you can pick up and iTouch (with a phone) from ebay iPhone 5 and/or 5s(in Sept) for less.

Then let em.

iPhones feel like bricks compared to a svelte iPod Touch. Or at least they used to be.
 
Computers don't need to be innovative. You don't need a do all piece of hardware to write your best selling novel, nor do you need that when working for the Fortune 500. Not having a touchscreen on their laptops isn't hurting Apple because most of us who need it are using third-party hardware.

That's my point. They did a nice job with the new MacBook, but they're merely refining an existing product - while telling themselves they're being innovative. By putting out a new product they pretend they're doing their job. But it isn't new.


The Apple ][ marked the first time most kids could get their hands on an actual, personal computer. The Macintosh brought new hardware and an interface that almost anybody could figure out how to use. Then Apple made us believe we could all become desktop publishers with their laser printers, and that CDs were serious mass-storage devices. Later, iPods allowed us to take our entire music collection with us. Next we could put an entire computer and communications device in our pockets with the iPhone. Finally, with the iPad we could read books and access information almost anywhere on an unobtrusive, keyboard-less 9.7" tablet.

A lighter notebook and a cylindrical Mac Pro are nothing new. Just more beautiful versions of what we already had.


Incidentally, I believe everything I mentioned above had two factors in common: 1) They were existing, infant technologies which Apple brought to the common man, and 2) Steve Jobs.


By substituting refinement for innovation they're ignoring the problem - that the company is becoming staid. Fashionable watch bands won't mask this fact.
 
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