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Apples MacBook Pro: Rotting Core? What Apple Doesn't Want You To Realize.
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I agree, nowadays the difference between macbook 13" and macbook pro 13" is only aluminum casing. Well, some reviews online stated better screen on the pro, but thats it. The entry level MBP even has less HDD space than MB white.
Back to the topic. I wouldn't compare Windows vs Mac OSX. But.. would you even look at the price of that thing? Sony Z that is? SonyStyle USA is selling them starting from $1800.
Marvelous... which external device(s) do you have that are USB 3.0 certified? [other than the card and the cables i mean.]
--> "Soooo much faster than firewire 800"
Does that mean you also used FireWire 800 before getting this particular ExpressCard then?
USB 3.0 should be included in the next update because it's already here. There are already devices using USB 3.0. And soon, most things will be USB 3.0.
You know, I don't use the FW800 port on my mac. Okay everyone, let's remove it. It's called being future proof.
You know, I don't use the FW800 port on my mac. Okay everyone, let's remove it. It's called being future proof.
You forgot the little problem that USB 3.0 is not yet integrated into the chipset, necessitating an extra chip on the board. Apple isn't going to include something that the majority of their customers don't care about. At this point FireWire is far more important to most Apple customers than USB 3.0.
I'm not against the idea of USB 3.0 ports on a MBP (all for it in fact).
I was just trying to measure the actual need (in terms of immediacy).
USB 3 test spec to be in Apple's hands by June (09)
Super speed: a brief history of USB 3.0, 2007-2018
I was just trying to measure the actual need (in terms of immediacy).
USB 3 test spec to be in Apple's hands by June (09)
Super speed: a brief history of USB 3.0, 2007-2018
Speak for yourself. I'm sure if *most* customers were given a choice between USB2 and USB3, (especially if other laptop manufacturers are rolling out USB3) they'd prefer USB3. Firewire is important to many users, too, of course.
New Lenovo IdeaPad Y460 has an i5-520M, DX11 graphics that are better than the $2000 15" MBP's, and yet thin, and less than 5 lbs. $1199 standard price. I'll be picking this up if the MBP fails to impress. Or else this Sony Vaio CW.
Anyone else feel like the WFA:i5 thread is like a 7-11 on X-Mas, where you drove there to pick something up and forgot they were closed?
Originally Posted by pepepaco :
I just bought an express card with 2 USB 3.0 ports and it's effing brilliant! Soooo much faster than firewire 800 or USB 2, for backups, transferring films or large files! Bring on the new stuff. Apple: wake up!
At the moment I am using this (apart from other USB 3.0 stuff):
http://usb.brando.com/usb-3-0-sata-hdd-docking-station-y-1071-_p01349c061d015.html
Believe me, once u have used usb 3.0 to move a film or other big file, you won't go back to firewire or USB 2. The difference is like night and day. USB 3.0 is here to stay, and in my opinion you will soon be sorry if you buy a laptop without USB 3.0.
Those Apple aficionados who don't mind paying stupid prices for 2 year old MBP's with outdated technology should maybe consider buying one of these:
I just bought an express card with 2 USB 3.0 ports and it's effing brilliant! Soooo much faster than firewire 800 or USB 2, for backups, transferring films or large files! Bring on the new stuff. Apple: wake up!
At the moment I am using this (apart from other USB 3.0 stuff):
http://usb.brando.com/usb-3-0-sata-hdd-docking-station-y-1071-_p01349c061d015.html
Believe me, once u have used usb 3.0 to move a film or other big file, you won't go back to firewire or USB 2. The difference is like night and day. USB 3.0 is here to stay, and in my opinion you will soon be sorry if you buy a laptop without USB 3.0.
Those Apple aficionados who don't mind paying stupid prices for 2 year old MBP's with outdated technology should maybe consider buying one of these:
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most people I know with macs don't have a clue what is in them. Moreover, I know people who have bought macbook pros in the last few weeks and love them to bits.
I'd say that a "professional" laptop is a mobile workstation, i.e. a mobile device that can be used for tasks that normally require a desktop. This would necessitate high performance, customizability, high reliability and ruggedness. One could argue that the MBP currently offers reliability and ruggedness (although I'd rather have an Elitebook or a Thinkpad in a sticky situation), but it definitely falls short as far as performance and customizability are concerned. Right now, it doesn't feature current-gen hardware (no Arrandale, no Clarksfield, no USB 3.0, no Blu-Ray - all things that can be had in the competition's "pro"-laptops, BTW) and it's not very customizable (the screen isn't upgradeable to FullHD or IPS, there are no expansion bays, you can't ditch the optical drive for a second HD or battery and so on...).
I would much rather have USB 3.0 than firewire anything! FireWire is DEAD. It is actually used by very few peripherals (I once read 98% use USB). Not only that, USB 3.0 is backwards compatible with 2.0. That's incredible. People don't need to change anything or buy expensive adaptors, they just keep on using all of their old peripherals as was with 2.0. With new devices, USB 3.0 will provide faster throughput than FireWire 800 and FW has a problem maintaining relevance because it's not really backwards compatible even from 800 to 400. People need new cable adaptors to make it work.
USB 3.0 is the current NEW standard and future. While USB 2.0 was the old current standard and is still readily available for the future. While original USB was the older standard and is still readily available for use now and in the future without ever changing anything! That's right every USB peripheral ever sold still runs fine without fancy adaptors or changing anything. New devices get faster with new computers, but old computers can still run any device and new computers can still run every device a consumer has ever purchased.
Finally, FireWire is actually only truly used by a few number of real pro users. Those people are no longer Apple's focus or target group to sell Mac notebooks to. The MacBook Pro is hardly a professional-grade computer, and about the only thing "pro" on it is the FireWire 800 port. The rest of buyers, all want USB 3.0 even if they don't know it. The average buyer doesn't own a FireWire peripheral, so FW just doesn't matter. In addition, FireWire is going nowhere. While LightPeak may someday takeover the role FireWire once had, USB 3.0 is going to retain relevant... and USB will live on while FireWire will die for good.
All of those custom options detract from their bottom-line, as it requires more equipment, shipping, manufacturing, etc.. And in case you haven't noticed lately, Apple is keen on making money. Not trying to apologize for their lack of featuritis, but in all fairness they've never really been that kind of a company anyways...
Not true! I'm an "average" buyer, and I have an original iPod! (before USB was standard) Not that I use it, however...
You're absolutely right, I was merely pointing out that the MBP is hardly a "professional" laptop. It's not really trying to be one and it's a fine product in its own right, but people shouldn't compare it to devices from the Elitebook- or Thinkpad-lines.
Can't understand Apple's attitude... completely oblivious to the thousands of posts all over the internet from people and technical websites outraged at the price Apple are charging for outdated Macbook Pro's, lateness and lack of news of upgrades.... Have they got their heads buried in the sand?
We are the minority. All of us bitching about specs on the internet are not the majority of their sales.
Apple aren't stupid - they know their market, they know what sells. And this is shown in their profit.
Do you think they sit around not updating things just to annoy a few forum users?
Do we really need to keep beating the "I can get Windows Laptop X with a Core iX for this much cheaper than a MBP" horse?
Couldn't help but notice it's another "bait and wait..." Ships in 13 business days.
Agreed.
I also think that the Core i5/i7 is not going to be that much of an upgrade and Apple doesn't want to put out something that isn't going to be all that different from the latest C2Ds.
Originally Posted by pepepaco:
Can't understand Apple's attitude... completely oblivious to the thousands of posts all over the internet from people and technical websites outraged at the price Apple are charging for outdated Macbook Pro's, lateness and lack of news of upgrades.... Have they got their heads buried in the sand?
Don't get me wrong. I love the Macbook pro, its looks, reliability and quality of construction... I WANT ONE. This would be my first ever Macbook pro.
But NOT at any price, or at a rip-off price, and from a cocky company with it's head stuck up its own arse!
I am not one of those Apple worshippers who builds a little shrine whenever or wherever Steve Jobs pisses against a tree!
Can't understand Apple's attitude... completely oblivious to the thousands of posts all over the internet from people and technical websites outraged at the price Apple are charging for outdated Macbook Pro's, lateness and lack of news of upgrades.... Have they got their heads buried in the sand?
Don't get me wrong. I love the Macbook pro, its looks, reliability and quality of construction... I WANT ONE. This would be my first ever Macbook pro.
But NOT at any price, or at a rip-off price, and from a cocky company with it's head stuck up its own arse!
I am not one of those Apple worshippers who builds a little shrine whenever or wherever Steve Jobs pisses against a tree!
Let's say that you are right, those who care about specs are a minority. For the majority though, do you think that most of them are ignorant, or don't care? That is to say, let's say that you explain to someone in that majority about the specs, about the differences in performance and the potential impact it may have on resale value. After you explain all this, do you think that person will care, or still won't care? If most of those people fall into the don't care category, then sure, Apple can keep doing what they are doing. But if they fall into the ignorant category, then Apple has a problem. They are playing into their customers' ignorance to increase profits. That is a short-sighted strategy that damages the brand in the long run. Those who are ignorant may not stay ignorant forever.