Apple Said Next-Generation CarPlay Would 'Arrive' in 2024… It Didn't

[Kirkster]

As long as there is Bluetooth audio integration I really don’t care what crap system car makers put in. My navigation is already in my phone. I don’t need their system for anything other than climate control. Would really love to see more physical controls again.

 

[anakin44011]

The answer is a bit simpler that we are making it out to be. Every innovation (for a car, or anything else for that matter) is intended to
1. Increase the customers' willingness to pay
...and/or...
2. Decrease the company's cost to serve

CarPlay 1.0 did both. Many won't buy a car without it...meaning we will pay more for a car that has it. And incorporating screens is now actually cheaper than designing, manufacturing, and installing all the buttons and knobs...which is why many car-makers went a bit overboard with them.

The problem with CarPlay 2.0 is that it does neither. It increases costs but doesn't have any feature that most would consider a must-have (driving WTP). It is the kind of thing that looks really cool in a demo. But more studies are showing that not only do people want more buttons and knobs for key controls like HVAC, volume, etc, it is MUCH safer.

Almost ironically...this is also why CarPlay works MUCH better with a TOUCHSCREEN (versus giant knobs or that god-forsaken trackpad that Acura put in my MDX). I can operate a Touchscreen with a quick glance and an intuitive tap. Knobs and trackpads require much more attention...but only for operating CarPlay.

Knobs and buttons are still much more intuitive for HVAC, volume, et al. Yes, even for nerds.

 

[bmark]

I thought the whole point of Apple cancelling their standalone car project (Titan or whatever it was monikered) was to develop CarPlay?

And now we have another vaporware situation with the same total lack of clarity of the AirPower debacle.

Almost as if they’re scared to admit any reasonable delay or god forbid failure to deliver, lest it affect the perception they’re in control (not the car manufacturers) or affect the altar at which they all worship, the almighty share price.

Maybe in future Apple, just stay in your lane.

Apple tries to get in every lane possible then it turns out like the Apple Vision Paperweight! Someone needs to tell Tim to focus on core products and software.

 

[Mr_Ed]

Manufacturers caught on. We, as consumers, would like the option of course. But doubt they allow it.

I certainly would like the option of using CarPlay because it means access to internet connectivity for the life of the car, which should exceed how long an auto manufacturer supports their connected services or the lifespan of any cell technology (2G, 3G, 4G, etc.).

But I qualify that by saying it should be something like the currently available CarPlay. This whole “take over all car displays” thing (CarPlay 2.0) is just a pointless exercise. Looks like another instance of Apple saying let’s put it out there because “it looks cool”, but offers no great actual benefit.

 

[Harry Haller]

Apple should just buy a car company. /s

Ex-Apple design chief Jony Ive join hands with Ferrari to develop an electric car - Luxurylaunches

luxurylaunches.com

 

[joloriquelme]

We need to keep our eyes on the road, not on displays, phones or distractions.

We need buttons back in cars. We don't need touchscreens or gigant displays because they'are dangerous.

Some carmakers are starting to get aware about this.

 

[macfacts]

So... what now?

Just use a phone mount with Bluetooth. Who asked for deep integration of the phone OS in a car?

 

[Calle68]

Standard CarPlay was not developed after announced. Despite minor modifications, the core of the application is almost the same as presented in 2014. The interface is still the same, the music app is still based on the totally unreliable Siri (searching for an english song while running the italian version is a pain ITA, the title of the song is truncated). You can search for a location on maps, but you are not allowed to search for a song by typing. Classical music catalog cannot be searched at all. On the other hand, only a few of app developers created a car play app. This delay in Apple Car Play development is ridicolous: a trillionaire company that forgot how to write a simple code.

 

[sw1tcher]

literally have never seen this word you keep using lol
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[pumazooma]

Car makers like their dash to have 'their style'. They don't want CarPlay dials and heater controls etc.

All it needs is a refresh to the interface.

 

[AdamHarbour]

It the new AirPower ! It was not wanted by the car manufacturer and was newer going to be widely implemented! Waste of time

 

[mdriftmeyer]

literally have never seen this word you keep using lol
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With nearly one million non-slang English words in the language it is not that surprising. It is most commonly used in high end automobile manufacture lingo.

 

[Premium1]

Apple should just improve on the existing CarPlay to deliver a smooth, safe interface to mobile device functionality (messages, phone calls, maps, music, CarPlay-savvy apps). That’s what Apple is best at anyway.

Leave the all other aspects of managing a 2 ton motorized vehicle to auto manufacturers. That’s their domain.

I'd be happy if Carplay worked as intended and didn't have a **** ton of bugs. Nothing like having to unplug/replug your phone in because it doesn't register (and this isn't an old phone or car).

 

[anakin44011]

The interface is still the same, the music app is still based on the totally unreliable Siri (searching for an english song while running the italian version is a pain ITA, the title of the song is truncated). You can search for a location on maps, but you are not allowed to search for a song by typing.

You mean the same Siri that...on New Year's Day...can't predict the next word of my text when I start it with "Happy"?

 

[7thson]

Apple is mum on this because it’s only the tech media doing all the wondering. How many consumers are out there comparing specs and prices and wondering why this new car doesn’t have/support CarPlay 2.0? One in a thousand? Probably less than that. There is no consumer awareness of it and Apple can just let their messaging on it languish because they don’t care what the press thinks. They’ll address it when they feel like it.

 

[rman0726]

"It is unclear if Apple needs more time to finish developing next-generation CarPlay, or if car makers have decided not to adopt the system, or something else."
CarPlay 2.0 required complete operation in Apple's design as well as full access to all vehicle data.

Put simply, the manufacturer delivers the car but for the driver it feels like he is sitting in an Apple car.

Perfect for Apple, of course. They only provide the interface, the carmaker does the work. And it is not out of the question that Apple is also demanding free access to evaluate the vehicle data.
In short, what advantage do carmakers have by cooperating with Apple?

A sizable percentage of people say they won’t buy another car without CarPlay/Android Auto. So they get a desired customer feature without spending as much of their own money developing it.

 

[9081094]

When you were a car manufacturer, would you trust to give development of the brain to another manufacturer? I don’t, especially it’s in the hands of Apple. There are great other possibilities for car manufacturers around where they can build on. They could use open source software and tweak it like they want to. Apple isn’t going to share or tolerate others to make compromises. They want the total control. If I was a car manufacturer the last company on earth in trusting good collaboration is Apple. Their history of being a reliable company where you can build on is terrible. Remember what happens to the Mac Pro and their pro software?

 

[turbineseaplane]

I’m fine with normal CarPlay.

How about just keep making that better?

Could do a lot there for a lot of cars with an Apple made ODB dongle talking to CarPlay

 

[jz0309]

Introduced at WWDC 2022 - car makers need more time to adopt this, they’re on a different timeline that consumer electronics.

 

[9081094]

Introduced at WWDC 2022 - car makers need more time to adopt this, they’re on a different timeline that consumer electronics.

I think they already surpassed Apple’s CarPlay with their own offerings.

 

[foobarbaz]

Apple need to stop showing us stuff years before it’s even coming out

this is pretty unlike Apple. I know they’ve done this with AirPower though.

I don’t think this can be compared to AirPower, at all. AirPower was their technological failure. For all we know, this is working perfectly and not shipping for political reasons.

Apple needed to show this off and build some consumer excitement to convince car makers to get on board. Apparently it was not enough.

 

[jz0309]

I think they already surpassed Apple’s CarPlay with their own offerings.

Like who? Tesla is the only mainstream who is ahead, they’ve been at it for 15+ years, Rivian does it too, but they’re niche. And GM is facing quite some headwind to not enable “traditional” CarPlay …
Every other automaker has been doing rather poorly on SW development, it’s out of their comfort zone, and in addition to HW, they’ll have to support it for 10+ years…

 

[jz0309]

Apple need to stop showing us stuff years before it’s even coming out

Really? WWDC is a developer conference, car development takes years, so yea, keep it “secret” until it rolls out…

 

[@Brett]

Well car manufacturers had no intention on letting their infotainment systems be be hijacked by Apple

But they are happy to let Google?

 

[CapitalIdea]

"It is unclear if Apple needs more time to finish developing next-generation CarPlay, or if car makers have decided not to adopt the system, or something else."
CarPlay 2.0 required complete operation in Apple's design as well as full access to all vehicle data.

Put simply, the manufacturer delivers the car but for the driver it feels like he is sitting in an Apple car.

Perfect for Apple, of course. They only provide the interface, the carmaker does the work. And it is not out of the question that Apple is also demanding free access to evaluate the vehicle data.
In short, what advantage do carmakers have by cooperating with Apple?

A flexible, high end experience that they don’t have to maintain in house via a limited pool of the same types of software engineers whose prior infotainment “results” made CarPlay a thing consumers demand in the first place? Also, not having to engineer that same system on the hardware side for idea that may or may not work, when a general basic hardware scheme saves money.