Apple decided not to release next-generation CarPlay until next-generation brain is fully evolved, i.e. capable of reading, processing and interacting with the information on display while simultaneously keeping eyes focussed on the road …
Apple's website still says the first vehicle models with support for next-generation CarPlay would "arrive in 2024," but that did not happen.
At this point, it is unclear if next-generation CarPlay will ever launch. Apple has not publicly commented on its plans in quite a long time, but it continued to make preparations behind the scenes throughout 2024. In November, for example, a few redesigned next-generation CarPlay icons appeared within iOS 18.2's code.
Apple did not respond to our several requests for comment about next-generation CarPlay throughout 2024. It would not be surprising if the timeframe listed on Apple's website is quietly updated to 2025 over the coming days.
It is unclear if Apple needs more time to finish developing next-generation CarPlay, or if car makers have decided not to adopt the system, or something else. Apple first previewed next-generation CarPlay at WWDC 2022, more than two and a half years ago. Just over a year ago, Aston Martin and Porsche previewed next-generation CarPlay instrument cluster designs, but neither brand has rolled out the system.
Apple said other committed car makers included Acura, Audi, Ford, Honda, Infiniti, Jaguar, Land Rover, Lincoln, Mercedes-Benz, Nissan, Polestar, Renault, and Volvo.
Apple promised that next-generation CarPlay would have deep integration with the instrument cluster and climate controls, support for multiple displays across the dashboard, a dedicated FM radio app, customizable widgets, and more. The interface would be tailored to each vehicle model and automaker's brand identity.
Here is how Apple describes it:Next-generation CarPlay is expected to be available in new vehicles only, if it ever launches. It is not an update to the standard CarPlay software.
Will next-generation CarPlay eventually launch, or will it become vaporware? We don't know, but it certainly did not "arrive in 2024" as planned.
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vantelimus
macrumors 6502a
I don't think Apple needs access to any proprietary systems to implement a full instrument dash. All of the information they require, and much much more, is contained in the ODB II protocol, which is mandated for all cars by law in every major country.
TracesOfArsenic
macrumors 65816
Is that Porsche screenshot actually made my Apple or some fan that wants to be an Apple designer? Why would Porsche want that vanilla, soulless nonsense in their car?
Xade
macrumors regular
Hey Siri, what time is my alarm set for tomorrow? You have 12 alarms set. ???????
wholeheartedly disagree. In fact, I think integrating CarPlay and Android auto deeper with the car is the logical next step for car manufacturers.
Rationale,
- The future involves SLM running in cars. This is pretty obvious
- Sticking a beefy SoC in a car, adds cost and complexity. Its illogical to add hardware that already exists in the car, in the drivers phone.
- Building, monitoring, maintaining and integrating a copilot and assistant system is complicated. And as we already seen with Mercedes efforts, can easily be limited in usefulness due to lack of integration with the ecosystem supplied by your PAN
- Phones can be upgraded separately to the car
- Phones generally have better connectivity, or at the very least, will make the connectivity of your car redundant (why pay for 5G in your car , when you have 5G in your car, in your pocket already).
I simply dont believe car manufactories are so commercially naive that they think they can compete with companies like Apple and Google on software, hardware and intelligent systems.
Nah, integrate the cars OS with the phones. And let the phones have access to everything, and let the car manufactures worry about building cars.
I7guy
macrumors Westmere
Who asked for an internal combustion engine when a horse and buggy were perfect adequate and doesn’t need an oil change?
Burger Thing
macrumors 65816
Cars of the present, have become soulless, heavy, boring and downright annoying with their overbearing "safety" features. The last thing I want, is that the instrument panel becomes even more boring. And car makers, for the love of God, bring back rotating knobs and buttons for climate control, while you are doing the right thing of giving Apple the middle finger for Carplay 2.
steve09090
macrumors 68030
What a strange rant…. Cars have become soulless? Have you ever had a Camry? That happened in 1982…
CarPlay has enabled me to update maps without paying $200 per year, it’s given me MY music instead of DJ's with cash giveaways if you want to listen to their shouting and stupid stories.
But sure…. Kids these days… 🙄
I wonder how many people on this thread are worried that they may have expanded their vocabulary. 🤔
In my car, there are UI elements do things like:
- Set up custom climate control rules (example: my steering wheel and seat heating automatically start when ambient temp drops below the level I set)
- Customize eco and sport driving modes (response, steering, etc.)
- Customize how much/little assistance is provided for each of several assistance/safety systems, and any associated thresholds (like response delays).
- Type and intensity of seat massage setup.
- Display performance data (power, torque, acceleration including lateral)
- Detailed consumption graphs that include driving mode changes, distance coasted, distance assisted by mild hybrid battery, etc.
Do you propose Apple provide UI elements for all those permutations of features across manufacturers, models, trim levels, and options? If your answer is anything but “YES”, we are stuck with going back and forth between “Apple” UI for some things and OEM UI for others. Just so you can have a “prettier” (if that is how you see it) instrument cluster from Apple? I struggle to see any significant value in that approach.
If you think the answer to the question is “YES”, what is Apple’s incentive for re-inventing all those vehicle UI elements and try to keep pace with what manufacturers will come up with? Do we think Apple would sell so many more iPhones that it would somehow be profitable?
The simplest thing to do is for Apple to clean up and refine the current CarPlay to ensure the driver has comfortable and safe access to the relevant mobile device functions (phone, messages, entertainment, maps/navigation), and let the auto manufacturers handle the rest.
First of all, Marque is a common word to describe a car manufacturer. This an Apple forum so it's hardly surprising no one knows much about cars.
Second of all, I fully expect Aston Martin to support the new Car Play first. They totally re-designed and updated their whole infotainment system over the last couple of years as that had perhaps the oldest, most out of date system possible which was unforgivable on a luxury car brand where cars costs hundreds of thousands. There new system is a huge improvement but as a differentiator it is a likely move.
I find it very unlikely that Porsche will adopt the new version of Apple CarPlay but they do have deeper integration than other marques already so who knows.
Second of all, I fully expect Aston Martin to support the new Car Play first. They totally re-designed and updated their whole infotainment system over the last couple of years as that had perhaps the oldest, most out of date system possible which was unforgivable on a luxury car brand where cars costs hundreds of thousands. There new system is a huge improvement but as a differentiator it is a likely move.
I find it very unlikely that Porsche will adopt the new version of Apple CarPlay but they do have deeper integration than other marques already so who knows.
steve09090
macrumors 68030
Seat massage? My 3 year old Subaru is so out of date. If I want a seat massage! I’ll have to resort to getting one of those bead covers or whatever they are.. but.. damn!
If you had an even older Subaru you could have just revved that boxer engine for vibration “massage” 😄
But yeah, there are so many options now. That’s why I see diminishing returns in Apple trying to take over the entire vehicle UI.
iSayuSay
macrumors 68040
Because car manufacturers have their own infotainment system, with which Apple tries to compete albeit indirectly. More and more users prefer a pure CarPlay interface especially if they have an iPhone which makes built in infotainment redundant.
I would just bypass all head unit OS and go straight to CarPlay from the moment my car turned on, but that's not possible.
Apple should just go all the way with their own head unit system a la Apple TV box, with which it would be optional for many car buyers. It's CarPlay or nothing.
I would just bypass all head unit OS and go straight to CarPlay from the moment my car turned on, but that's not possible.
Apple should just go all the way with their own head unit system a la Apple TV box, with which it would be optional for many car buyers. It's CarPlay or nothing.
AndiG
macrumors 65816
Meanwhile, Android is increasingly becoming a dominant force in the automotive space, particularly in EVs, which are highly tech-driven and connectivity-centric.
Beside Polestar and other brands, BMW switched to an Android AOSP version for their infotainment in November 2023, Rivian OS is android based and the VW group invested 5 billions to get their hands on Rivian OS.
Apple failed and has nothing to offer in the automotive sector. It is doomed to rely on Android to allow and support its CarPlay stuff. And while Android automotive can control HUDs and has full access to the data, CarPlay has to interface with Android. One of Tims biggest fails.
Apple could have been selling OS and silicon to car manufacturers but Tim dreamed of „Apple Car“ wearing his reality distortion headset.
Beside Polestar and other brands, BMW switched to an Android AOSP version for their infotainment in November 2023, Rivian OS is android based and the VW group invested 5 billions to get their hands on Rivian OS.
Apple failed and has nothing to offer in the automotive sector. It is doomed to rely on Android to allow and support its CarPlay stuff. And while Android automotive can control HUDs and has full access to the data, CarPlay has to interface with Android. One of Tims biggest fails.
Apple could have been selling OS and silicon to car manufacturers but Tim dreamed of „Apple Car“ wearing his reality distortion headset.
steve09090
macrumors 68030
Don’t disagree it’s would be a good thing, but the EU wouldn’t allow it.
mrochester
macrumors 603
This is the issue with Apple being privacy focused. Companies that want user data are not going to pick an Apple based platform they will pick a Google based platform.
MacGizmo
macrumors 68040
LOL. This has nothing to do with worrying about safety, testing and validation. It's about money... pure and simple. They (car manufacturers) see money in the infotainment systems and they don't want to hand it over to Apple or Google.
I'm not sure how or why they see money in it... they put zero effort into development of better systems, so they're never going to make money off of it as it stands. The only cars that have the full car play system in place are the ones that have insane amounts of profit on the sale of the car itself, so they don't care about the little extra they can make on monetizing your gas guage.
MacGizmo
macrumors 68040
Of course, they allow it. Your option is either to use their craptacular infotainment system OR you can ride a bike and use your iphone. LOL.
mrochester
macrumors 603
As is popular in the EU, there should be a regulation that forces car manufacturers to allow users to choose which software experience they want in their cars.
MacGizmo
macrumors 68040
While it would be great for Apple and people like us who want it, I'm not for governments forcing any company to make anything they don't want to or dictate how, where and for how much they sell it.