Apple Said Next-Generation CarPlay Would 'Arrive' in 2024… It Didn't

[CapitalIdea]

Apple tries to get in every lane possible then it turns out like the Apple Vision Paperweight! Someone needs to tell Tim to focus on core products and software.

Apple focuses only on core products for a year: “Apple is doomed! They just rehash the same thing and don’t innovate! Tim Cook is such a failure! Steve would never let this happen!”

Apple tries something new and it doesn’t take off: “Apple is doomed! They need to focus on their core products and stop trying to get into every lane possible! Tim Cook is such a failure! Steve would never let this happen!”

Apple tries something new and it takes off: “Apple is amazing! They can predict the future and know where we need to go and that’s not with their legacy products, but Tim Cook is such a failure because it’s obviously Steve’s 15-year-old corpse that made this happen!”

 

[Mr_Ed]

I'd be happy if Carplay worked as intended and didn't have a **** ton of bugs. Nothing like having to unplug/replug your phone in because it doesn't register (and this isn't an old phone or car).

Completely agree. Current CarPlay has a lot of things that should work better than they do, as well as outright bugs. They should put in the effort to clean all that up before even considering a “new and improved” version and trying to tell us how great it will be.

 

[t0rqx]

Thats what we call...courage. Breaking promises.

Like I mentioned before, Porsche backed out of Carplay for the moment when the first negotiations of taking over the company for the groundbreaking Apple Car did not finalise and Apple cancelled the project. Some big stakeholders lost lot of money's on this deal turning off.

 

[MrRom92]

This means at the earliest we will not see this in cars until 2026 models are introduced. As 2025 models have already been on show floors. Would like to start examining new vehicles but why pay 10s of thousands of dollars for yesterday’s computer on wheels when the next big advancement is supposedly right around the corner

 

[Chungry]

Does this new Car Play leave out non-Apple users? If so that's not a great idea. It necessarily creates an inferior experience in the cabin for a percentage of customers. If that's how it works I don't see any car companies doing it.

Alternately, it's making work twice for the car makers. They'd have to create a look for everyone and then the affordances for CarPlay and test both. Are they gonna be down for extra work? If CarPlay is buggy (like now) who takes the reputational ding? Who supports it? This is a mess, especially with Apple typically waiting to release fixes with only milestone release of iOS. I'm skeptical.

Knowing Apple they would try to gait feature exclusivity behind this initiative - sorry digital car keys is only for Apple CarPlay.

Or, knowing BMW, being the poor beleaguered company that's apparently on the ropes, you'll have to subscribe monthly to the new car play experience. And it won't be bundled with your seat heater subscription 🙄

 

[9081094]

Like who? Tesla is the only mainstream who is ahead, they’ve been at it for 15+ years, Rivian does it too, but they’re niche. And GM is facing quite some headwind to not enable “traditional” CarPlay …
Every other automaker has been doing rather poorly on SW development, it’s out of their comfort zone, and in addition to HW, they’ll have to support it for 10+ years…

Have you ever looked into other brands. Especially the new Chinese ones? I know Tesla is ahead but they come real close.

 

[jz0309]

Have you ever looked into other brands. Especially the new Chinese ones? I know Tesla is ahead but they come real close.

no, I'm in the US and Chinese cars are not available for political reasons, but I do look at those available here which includes European, Japanese and Korean ones and myst statement above holds true for those

 

[mansplains]

It's not up to Apple to put advanced CarPlay in vehicles. It's up to the automakers. Just another way to make cars more expensive by bundling 9 options you don't want to get the one you do.

I’ve always admired Tesla’s approach in avoiding twenty levels of trim. Unlike my Subaru where I need a much costlier trim for leather and don’t care about the rest of the “upgrades”.

 

[Chungry]

I’ve always admired Tesla’s approach in avoiding twenty levels of trim. Unlike my Subaru where I need a much costlier trim for leather and don’t care about the rest of the “upgrades”.

I think Tesla interiors are very low-level in terms of trim. It's like driving an iPad

 

[mansplains]

On the other hand, only a few of app developers created a car play app.

Then there’s developers like Chickfila that have a carplay app that doesn’t do anything…

 

[mansplains]

I think Tesla interiors are very low-level in terms of trim. It's like driving an iPad

Sure, but it’s standard across all vehicles of a set. The base model 3 doesn’t have an iPad mini, with a $20k price difference to an iPad 13”. Infotainment screen size alone is one of the many dividing lines in other car manufacturers trim levels.

 

[seek3r]

If I had to guess, it is the automakers considering the GM approach of hoovering up and selling all that precious driver data that Apple doesn't hand over.

Legit one of the biggest reasons I’m considering Ford for my next car is they have a dedicated fuse for their telematics module, you can just pull it to disable their telemetry

 

[seek3r]

Apple need to stop showing us stuff years before it’s even coming out

To be fair this one they kinda had to, they knew it would leak the minute they started shopping it broadly to car companies so they got out ahead of it

 

[seek3r]

literally have never seen this word you keep using lol
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FWIW it’s both pretty standard internal industry and enthusiast terminology for the industry in question in the english speaking world and relatively common in general in the UK, just because *you* havent encountered it doesn’t mean OP isnt using it correctly

 

[Chungry]

Legit one of the biggest reasons I’m considering Ford for my next car is they have a dedicated fuse for their telematics module, you can just pull it to disable their telemetry

Knowing this now, I'm considering Ford

 

[Calle68]

You mean the same Siri that...on New Year's Day...can't predict the next word of my text when I start it with "Happy"?
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That's another big issue. A st*pid prediction, always. When I use my dad old android phone and I see the suggestion of the email address working everywhere I want to cry.

 

[Chungry]

That's another big issue. A st*pid prediction, always. When I use my dad old android phone and I see the suggestion of the email address working everywhere I want to cry.

I love my S24 Ultra for all the little quality of life things that are glaringly absent on iOS for reasons I can't fathom. Typing accuracy and predictions are miles ahead for instance. Notification handling being another big one

 

[vantelimus]

That’s definitely a factor for sure in my opinion. I guess Apple aren’t really keen on launching an Apple car because Chinese margins are likely to be cut throat as they decimate traditional marques in the next few years but if these marques decide that implementing apple car play is too expensive for cars which are already too costly due to inflationary prices then that’s up them.

The key point here will be whether or not these Chinese marques arrive without apple car play integrated.

Who will be first to integrate car play 2?

Apple killed the Apple Car a couple of months after the House Select Committee on Strategic Competition recommended increasing tariffs on Chinese EVs to 100%.

The timing is telling. November 2023, the House makes the recommendation, Apple announces cancellation Feb 27, 2024, just before the shareholder meeting. Though Apple doesn't announce when its BOD meetings are, you know there had to be one shortly before the shareholder meeting to brief the board. Further, you know the board members are connected well enough to have advanced word that the Biden administration was going to act upon the recommendation. So, my money would be on the board voting to cancel Project Titan at the meeting which was held sometime between Nov '23 and Mar '24.

The Biden administration announced it would increase tariffs in May '24. The 100% duty on Chinese EVs went into effect on September 27, 2024.

So... if Chinese marques arrive anywhere, with or without CarPlay, it likely won't be in the US unless the Trump administration reverses the decision. It's anyone's guess how it plays out.

 

[Mega ST]

We'd have a choice to integrate CarPlay (and Android) in our new car but we don't use it. We just connect the phones and that's it. Plus I don't want the boring CarPlay layout for everything. A good radio plus GPS and I am perfectly done.

 

[CoMoMacUser]

I wonder how many people never heard of the term marques until this thread. 🤔

 

[Doomtomb]

like I said before. CarPlay is a trojan horse to take the cars that manufacturers make and turn them into Apple cars.

 

[sublunar]

Apple killed the Apple Car a couple of months after the House Select Committee on Strategic Competition recommended increasing tariffs on Chinese EVs to 100%.

The timing is telling. November 2023, the House makes the recommendation, Apple announces cancellation Feb 27, 2024, just before the shareholder meeting. Though Apple doesn't announce when its BOD meetings are, you know there had to be one shortly before the shareholder meeting to brief the board. Further, you know the board members are connected well enough to have advanced word that the Biden administration was going to act upon the recommendation. So, my money would be on the board voting to cancel Project Titan at the meeting which was held sometime between Nov '23 and Mar '24.

The Biden administration announced it would increase tariffs in May '24. The 100% duty on Chinese EVs went into effect on September 27, 2024.

So... if Chinese marques arrive anywhere, with or without CarPlay, it likely won't be in the US unless the Trump administration reverses the decision. It's anyone's guess how it plays out.

Well, trade wars and tariffs aren’t a good time to be launching a new car. I hadn’t really considered US tariffs on china imports but it’s logical that the EU will be going the same way to protect European car maker interests. Only the uk at the moment isn’t doing tariffs because there’s no native car industry to threaten now.

In theory the lowest risk here is for Apple to persuade as many car makers as possible to adopt Car Play 2, i would say that the Chinese car makers such as BYD and Geely wouldn’t be wise to leave Car Play and Android Auto out and might be more amenable to adding Car Play. On the flip side, let’s keep an eye on what the Koreans do (ie Kia and by extension Hyundai).

That said, Geely (who bought Volvo) has gone the android auto route for the main OS but they do accommodate car play at the moment.

Apple will full well know that battery tech is the biggest single cost in an EV and the best bang for buck in terms of the expertise and cheap labour costs come from China.

I wonder how many people never heard of the term marques until this thread. 🤔

amazing isn’t it? 😂 or does that just mean some of us are a bit older and more well read than others?

 

[HouseLannister]

Still can’t get CarKey on just about anything. Will probably be 5 years or more before we see this in your typical non-luxury cars.

 

[vantelimus]

Well, trade wars and tariffs aren’t a good time to be launching a new car. I hadn’t really considered US tariffs on china imports but it’s logical that the EU will be going the same way to protect European car maker interests. Only the uk at the moment isn’t doing tariffs because there’s no native car industry to threaten now.

Well, there are British designed and manufactured cars, even if the marques are owned by foreign countries. Someone needs to stop Tata from ruining Jaguar. Their recent Type 00 made me shudder. Sir William Lyons has rolled over in his grave.

amazing isn’t it? 😂 or does that just mean some of us are a bit older and more well read than others?

A bit older and own/appreciate British cars.

 

[tomtad]

The whole notion that CarPlay will one day take over an auto manufacturers entire dash instrumentation panel is silly. Apple would need to be fully integrated the automobile’s proprietary computer system at that point moving well beyond CarPlay. Are auto makers willing to do this? Either stick to the infotainment display or build your own vehicle, Apple.

It came about simply so Tim could say they got something out of the billions spent on R&D for the aborted Apple car. Turns out it doesn't make any sense to hand over your entire software to Apple which is why it's now dead.

That Porsche example above its just embarrassing.